World Press Freedom list... the US is not in a great place

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#1 Posted by nintendoboy16 (36340 posts) -

RSF.org

As of this year, the US is in the 40's, which is "problematic". Still shocked the UK is as high as it is in the "30's" though.

Here's the Press Fredom Tracker for the US.

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#2 Posted by mrbojangles25 (44045 posts) -

Well, yeah, I mean our the president literally bans journalist from the White House and talks daily shit about all but the most extreme right outlets, not sure where you expect the US to lie.

Not to mention a journalist at a Trump rally has a pretty good chance of getting attacked unless they're from FOX News.

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#3 Posted by plageus900 (2707 posts) -

@mrbojangles25: Or Breitfart.

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#4 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

Who needs press? We have Trump

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#5 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (45184 posts) -

Reading a recent "attack" on journalist on that site.

https://pressfreedomtracker.us/all-incidents/sacramento-photojournalist-pushed-ground-police-while-covering-protest-his-camera-damaged/

The issue was SacBee wanted to be the story, not cover the story. This is why "fake news" gets traction. When you are given 2 hours to disperse with a variety of commands from law enforcement officers on the ground, in vehicles, and from the helicopter... And you remain with the protest that's vandalizing and declared an unlawful assembly ... You cry foul when you're forcibly moved and detained for *breaking the law*?

Thanks for the overtime though Sacramento.

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#6 Posted by Icarian (1868 posts) -
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Reading a recent "attack" on journalist on that site.

https://pressfreedomtracker.us/all-incidents/sacramento-photojournalist-pushed-ground-police-while-covering-protest-his-camera-damaged/

The issue was SacBee wanted to be the story, not cover the story. This is why "fake news" gets traction. When you are given 2 hours to disperse with a variety of commands from law enforcement officers on the ground, in vehicles, and from the helicopter... And you remain with the protest that's vandalizing and declared an unlawful assembly ... You cry foul when you're forcibly moved and detained for *breaking the law*?

Thanks for the overtime though Sacramento.

Like it's mentioned in the article: media is freed from following orders to clear the area. Their job is to report and record what happens. The cops fucked up.

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#7 Edited by KungfuKitten (26639 posts) -

Netherlands on number 4? Hmmm...

There is definitely media out here for a diversity of political groupings, but there are some clear all-encompassing boundaries to their 'freedom'. There are certain things they won't talk about and they have a clear mutual commitment to make certain things/people look bad... For instance they would not talk about inequality unless it's inequality of income. And they would all inescapably say something bad about specific targets like Wilders or the FvD to the point of making things up, to the point of desperation. Let's put it like this: There are quite a few topics where we don't see both sides to the story. So I wouldn't exactly call them 'free' press. Since there are some rules or guidelines that govern them all... (Or let's be exact: some billionaires that run them all, who bring with them certain limitations on what the news can cover.) I would call them 'guided' press.

It's a bit tough for me to imagine our media being at number 4... I would have guessed more like 25 to 35. I did know that Turkey would score very low XD

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#8 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

Spent a weekend with the in-laws and had to watch a ton of Foxnews. I can see why we're falling when we have an entire channel dedicated to calling everyone else 'Fake news'. It's flat out propaganda made for idiots and racists, with a pathological liar leading them day in and day out.

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#9 Posted by locopatho (23597 posts) -

@KungfuKitten: "There are quite a few topics where we don't see both sides to the story." - But no one is getting murdered, attacked, imprisoned, fired, censored, etc if they WERE to report whatever side, right? Press freedom doesn't equal a perfectly balanced press, necessarily.

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#10 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@HoolaHoopMan: CNN is just as bad their just on the opposite side.

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#11 Edited by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

@HoolaHoopMan: CNN is just as bad their just on the opposite side.

No they aren't.

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#12 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@HoolaHoopMan: Err yes they are. The Maga Teen story was a lie. They didn't retract it until they were caught. The Jussie Smollet story was a lie. Yet CNN was for sure it was the truth. They have been caught time and time again but gullible lefties tune in for the circle jerk.

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#13 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

Doesn't Fox news only discuss global warming when it is cold outside?

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#14 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

@HoolaHoopMan: Err yes they are. The Maga Teen story was a lie. They didn't retract it until they were caught. The Jussie Smollet story was a lie. Yet CNN was for sure it was the truth. They have been caught time and time again but gullible lefties tune in for the circle jerk.

CNN can and does get stuff wrong, and they also provide a good amount of sensationalism. FOX on the other hand is an extension of 'Trump TV' and promotes ongoing conspiracy theories, passes over daily lies, and is essentially state run tv.

They aren't equal, only rubes like yourself try to equate them.

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#15 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@HoolaHoopMan: CNN is run by left wing liberals and they have promoted conspiracy theories as well. They wanted you to believe Michael Aventi wasn't a scum bag and the whole pornstar fiasco was true. They still cry about Russia collusion. They are just as bad they are just on a different side. You don't see it because you agree with it.

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#16 Posted by Jacanuk (18606 posts) -
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Spent a weekend with the in-laws and had to watch a ton of Foxnews. I can see why we're falling when we have an entire channel dedicated to calling everyone else 'Fake news'. It's flat out propaganda made for idiots and racists, with a pathological liar leading them day in and day out.

So your conclusion of a free press is to criticize the free press and "advocate" censorship?

lol, your post makes as much sense as claiming America is not a free country where anyone can call themselves a journalist and report what they want.

The report is clearly written by someone who thinks being a "journalist" means you have no responsibility and the right to be above laws.

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#17 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (45184 posts) -

@Icarian: Media are not exempt from following lawful commands from police, they are not exempt from the law. Again, as I already explained, the Sacramento Bee wanted to be the story, not cover it.

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#18 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Spent a weekend with the in-laws and had to watch a ton of Foxnews. I can see why we're falling when we have an entire channel dedicated to calling everyone else 'Fake news'. It's flat out propaganda made for idiots and racists, with a pathological liar leading them day in and day out.

So your conclusion of a free press is to criticize the free press and "advocate" censorship?

Please point out where I'm advocating for censorship.

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#19 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (1884 posts) -

They should also point out that most journalists in this country are paid garbage, have zero job security, and do little more than repost existing stories.

But that has nothing to do with Trump, so I can see why they didn't go there.

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#20 Posted by Jacanuk (18606 posts) -
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Spent a weekend with the in-laws and had to watch a ton of Foxnews. I can see why we're falling when we have an entire channel dedicated to calling everyone else 'Fake news'. It's flat out propaganda made for idiots and racists, with a pathological liar leading them day in and day out.

So your conclusion of a free press is to criticize the free press and "advocate" censorship?

Please point out where I'm advocating for censorship.

Your entire post is indirectly a cry for censorship.

But do explain if your post was meant any other way.

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#21 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

@vl4d_l3nin said:

They should also point out that most journalists in this country are paid garbage, have zero job security, and do little more than repost existing stories.

But that has nothing to do with Trump, so I can see why they didn't go there.

Indeed a separate issue. I wouldn't claim it make their job more dangerous though. Being labelled as enemy by the President is more damaging.

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#22 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Spent a weekend with the in-laws and had to watch a ton of Foxnews. I can see why we're falling when we have an entire channel dedicated to calling everyone else 'Fake news'. It's flat out propaganda made for idiots and racists, with a pathological liar leading them day in and day out.

So your conclusion of a free press is to criticize the free press and "advocate" censorship?

Please point out where I'm advocating for censorship.

Your entire post is indirectly a cry for censorship.

But do explain if your post was meant any other way.

So you're saying you CAN'T point to anything indicating I was promoting censorship. Perhaps the problem is you projecting perceived slights when there aren't any. You have a habit of creating strawman arguments out of thin air.

It's good to know you're just as dishonest as ever.

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#23 Posted by Jacanuk (18606 posts) -
@HoolaHoopMan said:

So you're saying you CAN'T point to anything indicating I was promoting censorship. Perhaps the problem is you projecting perceived slights when there aren't any. You have a habit of creating strawman arguments out of thin air.

It's good to know you're just as dishonest as ever.

No, I am saying your entire post is an indication of a wish for censorship, because what else would you do with a station like you describe?

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#24 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

So you're saying you CAN'T point to anything indicating I was promoting censorship. Perhaps the problem is you projecting perceived slights when there aren't any. You have a habit of creating strawman arguments out of thin air.

It's good to know you're just as dishonest as ever.

No, I am saying your entire post is an indication of a wish for censorship, because what else would you do with a station like you describe?

It's not. I mentioned nothing about censorship. You're simply too immature and see criticism of a source as a call for forced censorship.

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#25 Posted by Jacanuk (18606 posts) -
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

So you're saying you CAN'T point to anything indicating I was promoting censorship. Perhaps the problem is you projecting perceived slights when there aren't any. You have a habit of creating strawman arguments out of thin air.

It's good to know you're just as dishonest as ever.

No, I am saying your entire post is an indication of a wish for censorship, because what else would you do with a station like you describe?

It's not. I mentioned nothing about censorship. You're simply too immature and see criticism of a source as a call for forced censorship.

Ok, I get what you wanted to say with that post, it was the normal partisan nonsense and attack on anyone not sharing your opinion on how things are/should be

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#26 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Jacanuk said:

No, I am saying your entire post is an indication of a wish for censorship, because what else would you do with a station like you describe?

It's not. I mentioned nothing about censorship. You're simply too immature and see criticism of a source as a call for forced censorship.

Ok, I get what you wanted to say with that post, it was the normal partisan nonsense and attack on anyone not sharing your opinion on how things are/should be

Good, finally admitting that you were wrong then.

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#27 Edited by Jacanuk (18606 posts) -

@HoolaHoopMan:

@HoolaHoopMan said:

Good, finally admitting that you were wrong then.

Not really but i do get why you would want that to be true.

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#28 Edited by KungfuKitten (26639 posts) -

@locopatho said:

@KungfuKitten: "There are quite a few topics where we don't see both sides to the story." - But no one is getting murdered, attacked, imprisoned, fired, censored, etc if they WERE to report whatever side, right? Press freedom doesn't equal a perfectly balanced press, necessarily.

True, true. That's an important distinction to make.

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#29 Edited by Icarian (1868 posts) -
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@Icarian: Media are not exempt from following lawful commands from police, they are not exempt from the law. Again, as I already explained, the Sacramento Bee wanted to be the story, not cover it.

But they're in this case: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=409.5

"(d) Nothing in this section shall prevent a duly authorized representative of any news service, newspaper, or radio or television station or network from entering the areas closed pursuant to this section."

The mayor in this case admitted that the police can't stop media from doing their job: "Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg tweeted in the early morning on March 5. “No matter the reason an order to disperse was given, no member of the press should be detained for doing their job.”

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#30 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (45184 posts) -

@Icarian: I'm fully aware of the law. As I said, media personnel are not exempt from following lawful commands from police and sheriff Deputies. Media are permitted behind the line, but actively inviting and inciting others by their "conduct" is anything but covering a story. Activist journalist wanting to be the story and was briefly detained for his conduct was not illegal. Reasonable suspicious, actually, probable cause existed to detain him. I wasn't on the freeway overpass when the so called "incident" occurred however, but the Sacramento Bee is by no means a credible source to me when they have charlatans like Marcos Breton pandering on their paper and Twittersphere. This is just another grandstanding incident propped up by the Sacramento Bee.

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#31 Posted by Kadin_Kai (502 posts) -

I love reading The Guardian, for those outside the UK it’s a great news outlet and it’s free. It covers a World news if anyone is interested.

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#32 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

@kadin_kai: Please don't bump dead topics.