Will Trump get away with inciting insurrection?

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Poll Will Trump get away with inciting insurrection? (43 votes)

Yes 84%
No 16%

So do you think he will?

I hope I'm wrong but I think he will get away with it.

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#1 MirkoS77
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Considering the cowardice of the GOP, of course.

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#2 SheevPalpamemes
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I’m confused, he didn’t have anything to do with the BLM riots.

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#3 LJS9502_basic
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@sheevpalpamemes said:

I’m confused, he didn’t have anything to do with the BLM riots.

More whataboutism.

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#4 horgen  Moderator
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Of course he will. Just look at what his voters believe.

@sheevpalpamemes said:

I’m confused, he didn’t have anything to do with the BLM riots.

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#5 mattbbpl
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Yep. The party will, too. Only the rubes they conned into being the foot soldiers will pay a price.

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#6  Edited By DEVILinIRON
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I guess I'm the only one to vote, "No" so far. I don't follow politics too well, but I'm hoping a charge like "Inciting Insurrection" will be taken to a syndicated court. Fricken' Judge Judy will tear Trump up! I'm not a fan of Judge Judy and I'm not a fan of Trump, but I would def. watch that show.

Trump should bring in Bianca to testify on his behalf. Then Judge Judy can dismiss her by yelling "SIT DOWN!" Like she always does.

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#8 HoolaHoopMan
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Of course he'll get off, they WANTED the insurrection and to ignore the 2020 election results. The GOP is filled with cowards and seditionists. Just look at republicans in Arizona and Georgia too. Instead of reflecting on their loss in 2020 and figuring out how better to appeal to voters, they'll going to gun it and do their best to restrict voter access to people instead.

The GOP is currently an active threat to American democracy.

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@HoolaHoopMan: Talk like that isn't going to bring unity. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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#10 comp_atkins
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yes, he will.

GOP senators may cluck disapprovingly over trump's actions in the months after the election, but when push comes to shove, their cowardice will always win.

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@sheevpalpamemes said:

I’m confused, he didn’t have anything to do with the BLM riots.

Or ANTIFA.

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#12  Edited By super600  Moderator
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Yep. I do not think there will be enough republicans in the senate that vote for impeachment

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#13 LJS9502_basic
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@super600 said:

Yep. I do not think there will be enough republicans in the senate that vote for impeachment

Unfortunately the Republican party has eliminated any vestige that they are for the country rather than themselves.

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#14 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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There is serious reaching for anyone who believes his speeches directly voiced for rioting. But the obsessed see negative imagery in their own soup so the amount of inferring/projections will be telling to see play out.

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#15 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

There is serious reaching for anyone who believes his speeches directly voiced for rioting. But the obsessed see negative imagery in their own soup so the amount of inferring/projections will be telling to see play out.

What about his tweets and his back alley deals?

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#16 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic: What?

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#17 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: What?

His tweets to his base to be at DC on the 6th because it would be wild and his attempts to remove people to place his agents in to deal with the election.

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#18 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic: I don't follow every Tweet of his so I would need the context to see instead of relying on more inferring/reaching.

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#19  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: I don't follow every Tweet of his so I would need the context to see instead of relying on more inferring/reaching.

They're been reported as written.

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#20 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic: And?

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#21 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: And?

And I guess you ignore them. I don't know what you want me to tell you. They were reported as written. He definitely had a hand in what happened at the Capitol. Thought you were for law and order.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

There is serious reaching for anyone who believes his speeches directly voiced for rioting. But the obsessed see negative imagery in their own soup so the amount of inferring/projections will be telling to see play out.

while that may be true, some of the capitol rioters that were arrested aren't helping Trump's case:

"Multiple people who the FBI arrested in the wake of the failed insurrection on January 6 have told the agency that they did so on the instructions of the president, according to the Post, which cited both court documents and video footage from the failed insurrection."

"One man reportedly told the FBI that he and his cousin had marched towards the Capitol because "President Trump said to do so" while one man who threw a fire extinguisher at police officers told agents he had been "instructed" to go to the Capitol by the president."

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-rioters-say-trump-told-them-to-come-to-washington-2021-1

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#23 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic: Oh? I'm ignoring content that isn't being provided? Interesting. Or you want me to do your own googling for you?

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#24 VFighter
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Well since he didn't incite anything there's nothing to get away with.

Now though why don't we put this same focus on all the Dems who ACTUALLY encouraged violence, looting, rioting, etc and do something about them?

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#25 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: Oh? I'm ignoring content that isn't being provided? Interesting. Or you want me to do your own googling for you?

My mistake. I thought you kept up on current events.

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#26 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic: I would say the mistake was trying to make an argument without providing context or any foundation beyond ambiguous commentary.

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#27 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: I would say the mistake was trying to make an argument without providing context or any foundation beyond ambiguous commentary.

I mentioned his twitter which as you know has been on tv and in print. Wasn't aware you weren't watching/reading. Same with the info about him trying to fire someone in DOJ to hire someone to help with the election.

Whatever dude.

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@mattbbpl said:

@HoolaHoopMan: Talk like that isn't going to bring unity. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

lol 'bring unity' just means that they want to us to hand them a knife so they can stab democrats with it. If people aren't breaking rank impeaching Trump, they certainly won't break rank for legislation. Biden will need to ram everything through on reconciliation or nuking the filibuster.

This unity sh*t is ridiculous given their inability to even acknowledge Biden's victory.

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#29 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic: Again, if you're going to make a claim, provide some (any) evidence; or moreover, bare minimum, a link to a tweet in which offended you.

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#30 horgen  Moderator
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He did, didn't he?

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#31 GirlUSoCrazy
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It's looking more like the Senate won't convict him, Mitch said he was keeping all options open but voted against the constitutionality of a trial after office even though the language has allowed for it to happen previously and there is precedent of doing so before. Also other senators who have voted to impeach are getting censured and called on to resign. It's like crabs in a bucket with the GOP and Trump!

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#32 Ghost_of_Phobos
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He'll get away with it. But it's ok, right now my only concern regarding Trump is what music will I play on the day of his funeral.

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#33  Edited By appariti0n
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This is all operating under the assumption that he did indeed incite violence. However I went and watched his speech where he supposedly did this.

Could it be argued that he carefully tiptoes that line as closely as possible? Yes. But I dont see this any more "inciting" of violence, than Kamala Harris speaking her approval of the BLM riots. As shitty as Trump is, the rules must be even handed for all.

Either both incited violence, or neither did. Pick one.

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#34 ogvampire
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@appariti0n said:

This is all operating under the assumption that he did indeed incite violence. However I went and watched his speech where he supposedly did this.

Could it be argued that he carefully tiptoes that line as closely as possible? Yes. But I dont see this any more "inciting" of violence, than Kamala Harris speaking her approval of the BLM riots. As shitty as Trump is, the rules must be even handed for all.

Either both incited violence, or neither did. Pick one.

what's not helping Trump's defense is that some of the rioters that were arrested claimed they were following Trump's instructions:

"Multiple people who the FBI arrested in the wake of the failed insurrection on January 6 have told the agency that they did so on the instructions of the president, according to the Post, which cited both court documents and video footage from the failed insurrection."

"One man reportedly told the FBI that he and his cousin had marched towards the Capitol because "President Trump said to do so" while one man who threw a fire extinguisher at police officers told agents he had been "instructed" to go to the Capitol by the president."

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-rioters-say-trump-told-them-to-come-to-washington-2021-1

also, Kamala did not approve of the BLM riots... she approved of the BLM protests. she condemned the violence.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-late-show-rio-idUSKBN27E34P

"VERDICT

Partly false. Harris’ comments on The Late Show expressing support for protests are authentic. However, there is no mention of riots or violent protests in this interview. Harris has previously condemned violent protests."

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#35  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@appariti0n: The President shouldn't even come close to being ambiguous about insurrection, and certainly shouldn't perpetuate lies that cast doubt on our democracy while telling people they need to fight to defend it. Obviously they're going to put those things together.

"I saw the baking soda in a pile and tipped over the vinegar, not my fault what happened next" what spineless BS

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@girlusocrazy: Yup, I agree. Can't convict someone on being ambiguous though.

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@ogvampire: Sure, but unless they find additional proof that he ordered violence, the overthrow of the government, hanging of Mike Pence etc, its simply not good enough for a conviction. All we really have as far as I know are some tweets, and a speech asking people to march with him. And him saying things like " we won't be silenced!"

If he gets convicted off of that, it'll make a mockery of the US judicial system.

Any crazy person could technically say the president made me do it.

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Yah he will, his supporters think that orange is the new Jesus

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#39  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@appariti0n: Yes however it isn't relevant here. I wasn't saying he was being ambiguous, I was merely considering your position.

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@appariti0n said:

@ogvampire: Sure, but unless they find additional proof that he ordered violence, the overthrow of the government, hanging of Mike Pence etc, its simply not good enough for a conviction. All we really have as far as I know are some tweets, and a speech asking people to march with him. And him saying things like " we won't be silenced!"

If he gets convicted off of that, it'll make a mockery of the US judicial system.

in reality, it's not just that one speech, it's the sum of all the parts. he has been riling up his supporters for 2 months before that day. and on that day, in his speech, he said:

'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'

combine all of that with the claims from the perpetrators, and it's obvious how a case can be made.

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The current party will protect him, much like the old party protected the ones from the civil war.

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#42 appariti0n
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@ogvampire: Does "fight like hell" automatically mean violence? Pretty sure that can still be interpreted many different ways.

I fought like hell to get a reference of mine hired, and I fought like hell to close a deal. Neither scenario resulted in violence.

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#43  Edited By ogvampire
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@appariti0n said:

@ogvampire: Does "fight like hell" automatically mean violence? Pretty sure that can still be interpreted many different ways.

I fought like hell to get a reference of mine hired, and I fought like hell to close a deal. Neither scenario resulted in violence.

once again, you're disregarding the 2 months worth of ramping rhetoric. this is a volume matter... not a case of a single sentence. so you're looking at that sentence in a vacuum and not in context with his previous remarks.

and yes, any crazy person can say that the president told him to do something... but Trump panders to the crazies. he can't play ignorant when the crazies do what the crazies do. he knows that

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@Willy105 said:

The current party will protect him, much like the old party protected the ones from the civil war.

And the country suffered for that. Reconstruction failed, black codes and Jim Crow, and the KKK and white supremacist politicians gained prominence in the southern states. We should go hard on those who attempt to destroy the republic but this nation is too politically correct against white supremacists.

Trump will get away with his crimes and his supporters will continue to support these criminals no matter what, regardless of their perceived support for "law and order."

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#45  Edited By narlymech
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The incitement started back long ago. Trump just turned it up a notch or threw the welcome mat. You could make a real good case that they were just following orders from the higher ups.

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#46 Gaming-Planet
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Yes.

Washington doesn't arrest their kind. Remember 2008?

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@Gaming-Planet said:

Yes.

Washington doesn't arrest their kind. Remember 2008?

Here is a many billions for your failures? Please do not do it again.