So, I never understood his achievements. I know he was glamorous, youthful and embodied 1960's America. But I really can't name something extraordinary he did. The Cuban missle crisis... meh.
If anything I think LBJ was superior - of course I don't expect anyone to agree with me here, I just feel like other than the bad Vietnam war his civil rights achievements, especially the hugely important new society was really underrated. Shame that he made that really horrible mistake of going to war.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
Nonetheless his administration was pro civil rights.
LBJ didn't go to war. In fact he was extremely reluctant to have anything to do with Vietnam. He was left with a no win situation after Kennedy's murder, seeing as JFK had already authorised covert action against the Viet Minh, and deployed military advisors as well as supporting the S. Vietnamese dictatorship with huge funds.
JFK had a rough start. There was the failure to stop the Soviets from erecting the Berlin wall as well as the Bay of Pigs episode. He couldn't be seen to let communism win another chapter in Vietnam after the French were kicked out, and LBJ made the mistake of escalating the conflict, and officially putting attack troops on the ground.
Describing the Cuban missile crisis as "meh" means you haven't done any research on the subject. We were literally minutes away from full blown war with the Soviet Union, and JFK called their bluff knowing that if he failed, he would bring the planet into nuclear conflict. It was a pivotal moment in history.
LBJ didn't go to war. In fact he was extremely reluctant to have anything to do with Vietnam. He was left with a no win situation after Kennedy's murder, seeing as JFK had already authorised covert action against the Viet Minh, and deployed military advisors as well as supporting the S. Vietnamese dictatorship with huge funds.
JFK had a rough start. There was the failure to stop the Soviets from erecting the Berlin wall as well as the Bay of Pigs episode. He couldn't be seen to let communism win another chapter in Vietnam after the French were kicked out, and LBJ made the mistake of escalating the conflict, and officially putting attack troops on the ground.
Describing the Cuban missile crisis as "meh" means you haven't done any research on the subject. We were literally minutes away from full blown war with the Soviet Union, and JFK called their bluff knowing that if he failed, he would bring the planet into nuclear conflict. It was a pivotal moment in history.
We were in Viet Nam pre Kennedy.
@LJS9502_basic: Indeed. Truman etc, and before that the OSS backed Hi Chi Minh against the Japanese.....just meant that saying "LBJ went to war" was ignoring the facts.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
The Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
The Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
The act was sent to Congress by a Democratic president and pushed for by a second Democratic president. The top Democrat in the Senate pushed for its passage, and the top Democrat on the House judiciary committee strengthened its provisions. 46 Democrats voted in favor of its passage, compared to 21 who voted against it. Six Republicans voted against ending the filibuster against it, and against its passage. 153 House Democrats voted for its passage. Overall, 199 Democrats voted for it and only 163 Republicans voted for it. Your logic, as always, is patently idiotic.
So, I never understood his achievements. I know he was glamorous, youthful and embodied 1960's America. But I really can't name something extraordinary he did. The Cuban missle crisis... meh.
If anything I think LBJ was superior - of course I don't expect anyone to agree with me here, I just feel like other than the bad Vietnam war his civil rights achievements, especially the hugely important new society was really underrated. Shame that he made that really horrible mistake of going to war.
Well, for one he steered the world safe through the biggest nuclear crises there has ever been, but I think most of his fame comes from the fact that his term was cut short by an insane individual.
And Lyndon is among the top presidents and is higher on most historians than even Obama.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
The Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
The act was sent to Congress by a Democratic president and pushed for by a second Democratic president. The top Democrat in the Senate pushed for its passage, and the top Democrat on the House judiciary committee strengthened its provisions. 46 Democrats voted in favor of its passage, compared to 21 who voted against it. Six Republicans voted against ending the filibuster against it, and against its passage. 153 House Democrats voted for its passage. Overall, 199 Democrats voted for it and only 163 Republicans voted for it. Your logic, as always, is patently idiotic.
The Civil Rights bill was filibustered by Byrd, Fulbright, and Al Gore Sr. Johnson needed the Republicans to break the filibuster.
@dreman999: I never suggested otherwise, though the tit for tat actions started as soon as ww2 ended, and quickly escalated.
People tend to be rather generous when it comes to giving Kennedy credit for the C.M.C. but in all actuality both leaders had terms they wanted met and both nations had their opponent's missiles removed from certain places. We tend to make Nikki the bad guy yet Uncle Sam is morphed into innocent and pure when our people were doing the very same things. The impression I get when people go crazy over JFK is how his assassination plays into the fray. It's almost as if sympathy outweighs everything else of merit.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
The Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
The act was sent to Congress by a Democratic president and pushed for by a second Democratic president. The top Democrat in the Senate pushed for its passage, and the top Democrat on the House judiciary committee strengthened its provisions. 46 Democrats voted in favor of its passage, compared to 21 who voted against it. Six Republicans voted against ending the filibuster against it, and against its passage. 153 House Democrats voted for its passage. Overall, 199 Democrats voted for it and only 163 Republicans voted for it. Your logic, as always, is patently idiotic.
The Civil Rights bill was filibustered by Byrd, Fulbright, and Al Gore Sr. Johnson needed the Republicans to break the filibuster.
Are you ignoring what I said because it hurts your false narrative, or because you don't know how to read? I find both scenarios equally plausible.
Cuban missile crisis wasn't really "meh". That was a pretty scary time for the world. Ultimately, there was a lot more pressure on Khrushchev, but it's still admirable that Kennedy talked him down as an adversary, while Castro, an ally, was frothing at the mouth to go to war.
Conservatives tend to like the fact that he created the Israeli-American military alliance that still exists today. There is also the 24th amendment, which eliminated poll taxes, as well as the Revenue Act of 1964, which cut the top tax bracket from 91% to 70% and cut corporate taxes (signed by Johnson, but it was drafted by Kennedy.)
Liberals like to pretend he took the Democratic Party in a new civil rights direction, but that's a lie. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in both the house and senate, and Democrats in the south continued to pander to racists for votes until '68.
The Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
The act was sent to Congress by a Democratic president and pushed for by a second Democratic president. The top Democrat in the Senate pushed for its passage, and the top Democrat on the House judiciary committee strengthened its provisions. 46 Democrats voted in favor of its passage, compared to 21 who voted against it. Six Republicans voted against ending the filibuster against it, and against its passage. 153 House Democrats voted for its passage. Overall, 199 Democrats voted for it and only 163 Republicans voted for it. Your logic, as always, is patently idiotic.
The Civil Rights bill was filibustered by Byrd, Fulbright, and Al Gore Sr. Johnson needed the Republicans to break the filibuster.
Are you ignoring what I said because it hurts your false narrative, or because you don't know how to read? I find both scenarios equally plausible.
The three senators I mentioned filibustered the Civil Rights Act. What false narrative the Democrats filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. I those days it took 70 votes to end a filibuster. The Democrats did not have enough votes to end the filibuster. The bill vote in favor was Democrats 61% Republicans 80%. Those are the facts.
The act was sent to Congress by a Democratic president and pushed for by a second Democratic president. The top Democrat in the Senate pushed for its passage, and the top Democrat on the House judiciary committee strengthened its provisions. 46 Democrats voted in favor of its passage, compared to 21 who voted against it. Six Republicans voted against ending the filibuster against it, and against its passage. 153 House Democrats voted for its passage. Overall, 199 Democrats voted for it and only 163 Republicans voted for it. Your logic, as always, is patently idiotic.
The Civil Rights bill was filibustered by Byrd, Fulbright, and Al Gore Sr. Johnson needed the Republicans to break the filibuster.
Are you ignoring what I said because it hurts your false narrative, or because you don't know how to read? I find both scenarios equally plausible.
The three senators I mentioned filibustered the Civil Rights Act. What false narrative the Democrats filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. I those days it took 70 votes to end a filibuster. The Democrats did not have enough votes to end the filibuster. The bill vote in favor was Democrats 61% Republicans 80%. Those are the facts.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
JFK is often lauded for his cool head during the cuban missle crisis. But what these same pundits forget to mention, is that the cuban missle crisis was essentially created by him. He placed nukes in Turkey which led to russia reciprocating by putting them in Cuba. He then issued an ultimatum for their removal leading to the dangerous showdown. Now granted, I'd rather have had JFK than Trump in the white house at that time,
JFK also initiated the Vietnam war. That's a black mark in my book.
Now he was on the right side of history for civil rights and deserves much credit for promoting that at a time when the country was not as for it.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facrs.
You can say the same thing a thousand times, it doesn't make it true. It was filibustered by Democrats.
The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80% of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96% of the votes.
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Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facrs.
You can say the same thing a thousand times, it doesn't make it true. It was filibustered by Democrats.
The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80% of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96% of the votes.
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It was filibustered by Republicans. This is an objectively true statement. It's also true that it was sent to Congress by a Democratic president, advocated for by a second Democratic president, pushed forward by Democratic committee members in Congress, and supported by the majority of Democrats in Congress. The Civil Rights Act never would have existed, much less passed, if not for Democrats. Your blatantly false narrative is blatantly false. Not surprising, seeing as how you are a known fabricator.
He made out with Marilyn Monroe.
If anything I think LBJ was superior - of course I don't expect anyone to agree with me here, I just feel like other than the bad Vietnam war his civil rights achievements, especially the hugely important new society was really underrated. Shame that he made that really horrible mistake of going to war.
I'm not an American or an particularly knowledgeable about American history. But from what I can tell LBJ was one of the best domestic policy presidents of all time.
JFK is often lauded for his cool head during the cuban missle crisis. But what these same pundits forget to mention, is that the cuban missle crisis was essentially created by him. He placed nukes in Turkey which led to russia reciprocating by putting them in Cuba. He then issued an ultimatum for their removal leading to the dangerous showdown. Now granted, I'd rather have had JFK than Trump in the white house at that time,
JFK also initiated the Vietnam war. That's a black mark in my book.
Now he was on the right side of history for civil rights and deserves much credit for promoting that at a time when the country was not as for it.
Exactly. Some one on top said "You haven't studied the subject yet." Holy crap, I'm a history junky. Even took a course in American History, I know a lot. The Cuban Misle Crisis is "meh" in my mind, because Kennedy essentially created the conflict in the first place. He basically prevented an all nuclear showdown with something he helped create. So in that sense, I really don't think his policy was godly. He was brave to stand up to the Soviet Union, but that alone should not make him one of the top 5 presidents like I see on so many lists. That's inane.
If anything I think LBJ was superior - of course I don't expect anyone to agree with me here, I just feel like other than the bad Vietnam war his civil rights achievements, especially the hugely important new society was really underrated. Shame that he made that really horrible mistake of going to war.
I'm not an American or an particularly knowledgeable about American history. But from what I can tell LBJ was one of the best domestic policy presidents of all time.
Honestly, LBJ was so stupid. He could have been one of the greatest presidents of all time. His domestic policy's would make him up there with Lincoln. But he made that stupid mistake...
@sealionact: but JFK started the Cuban crisis in the first place when he first put nukes pointing at Moscow.
Probably why the CIA pulled a "turd in the punchbowl" operation.
The act was sent to Congress by a Democratic president and pushed for by a second Democratic president. The top Democrat in the Senate pushed for its passage, and the top Democrat on the House judiciary committee strengthened its provisions. 46 Democrats voted in favor of its passage, compared to 21 who voted against it. Six Republicans voted against ending the filibuster against it, and against its passage. 153 House Democrats voted for its passage. Overall, 199 Democrats voted for it and only 163 Republicans voted for it. Your logic, as always, is patently idiotic.
The Civil Rights bill was filibustered by Byrd, Fulbright, and Al Gore Sr. Johnson needed the Republicans to break the filibuster.
Are you ignoring what I said because it hurts your false narrative, or because you don't know how to read? I find both scenarios equally plausible.
The three senators I mentioned filibustered the Civil Rights Act. What false narrative the Democrats filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. I those days it took 70 votes to end a filibuster. The Democrats did not have enough votes to end the filibuster. The bill vote in favor was Democrats 61% Republicans 80%. Those are the facts.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
The Civil Rights bill was filibustered by Byrd, Fulbright, and Al Gore Sr. Johnson needed the Republicans to break the filibuster.
Are you ignoring what I said because it hurts your false narrative, or because you don't know how to read? I find both scenarios equally plausible.
The three senators I mentioned filibustered the Civil Rights Act. What false narrative the Democrats filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. I those days it took 70 votes to end a filibuster. The Democrats did not have enough votes to end the filibuster. The bill vote in favor was Democrats 61% Republicans 80%. Those are the facts.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
It's not re-writing history, it's a fact. Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. That is a stone cold fact. Democrats introduced the Civil Rights Act and got it through Congress. That is a fact. The only trying to re-write history here is you.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
The Republican party of Lincoln morphed into the Democrat ideology. Republicans get no credit for ending slavery when the ideology shifted between the parties. Educate yourself.........not with far right sources either.
So, I never understood his achievements. I know he was glamorous, youthful and embodied 1960's America. But I really can't name something extraordinary he did. The Cuban missle crisis... meh.
If anything I think LBJ was superior - of course I don't expect anyone to agree with me here, I just feel like other than the bad Vietnam war his civil rights achievements, especially the hugely important new society was really underrated. Shame that he made that really horrible mistake of going to war.
for me the best is Teddy Roosevelt
Are you ignoring what I said because it hurts your false narrative, or because you don't know how to read? I find both scenarios equally plausible.
The three senators I mentioned filibustered the Civil Rights Act. What false narrative the Democrats filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. I those days it took 70 votes to end a filibuster. The Democrats did not have enough votes to end the filibuster. The bill vote in favor was Democrats 61% Republicans 80%. Those are the facts.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
It's not re-writing history, it's a fact. Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. That is a stone cold fact. Democrats introduced the Civil Rights Act and got it through Congress. That is a fact. The only trying to re-write history here is you.
You are so brainwashed you can't even research what happened. If you can't do that you are not worth my time.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
The Republican party of Lincoln morphed into the Democrat ideology. Republicans get no credit for ending slavery when the ideology shifted between the parties. Educate yourself.........not with far right sources either.
Slavery was ended with the 13th amendment in which not one Democrat voted for. The Republican party never morphed is a lie perpetrated by the Democrats to change their history of slavery and civil rights abuse.
The three senators I mentioned filibustered the Civil Rights Act. What false narrative the Democrats filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. I those days it took 70 votes to end a filibuster. The Democrats did not have enough votes to end the filibuster. The bill vote in favor was Democrats 61% Republicans 80%. Those are the facts.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
It's not re-writing history, it's a fact. Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. That is a stone cold fact. Democrats introduced the Civil Rights Act and got it through Congress. That is a fact. The only trying to re-write history here is you.
You are so brainwashed you can't even research what happened. If you can't do that you are not worth my time.
Says the Fox News drone. Projection, dude, look it up.
Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act. They filibustered the bill for 54 days before it was ended by a vote of 71 to 29. Those are the facts.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
The Republican party of Lincoln morphed into the Democrat ideology. Republicans get no credit for ending slavery when the ideology shifted between the parties. Educate yourself.........not with far right sources either.
Slavery was ended with the 13th amendment in which not one Democrat voted for. The Republican party never morphed is a lie perpetrated by the Democrats to change their history of slavery and civil rights abuse.
Again, Democrats wrote the Civil Rights Act and pushed it through Congress. Lyndon Johnson openly admitted that it would cause them to "lose the south for a generation," which they objectively did, and they went ahead with it anyway. Republicans, since then, have been increasingly hostile to civil rights. Reagan openly used racist dog whistles, including insinuating that black people were wasting welfare on Cadillacs. Reagan nominated a Supreme Court justice who said the Civil Rights Act was "a principle of unsurpassed ugliness," and Republicans today are STILL defending that man and insisting that the fact that Democrats blocked his nomination to the highest court in the land is a grave injustice. Republican-appointed judges struck down the Voting Rights Act, leading to Republican legislation that has restricted voting rights and has been disproportionately targeted at, wait for it, black voters. Republicans led a smear campaign against the first black president, calling him uppity, and endorsed racist conspiracy theories about him like the birther theory. Republicans defend Donald Trump when he calls WHITE SUPREMACISTS "very good people." Republicans are the ones defending police who shoot and kill black citizens without a second thought. And you're sitting here telling me that all of the racist shit that Republicans do on a daily basis and have been doing since Richard Nixon cynically used the Voting Rights Act as a cudgel against Democrats (read: he punished them politically for supporting it) doesn't matter because 150 years ago Democrats supported slavery, don't pay attention to the fact that anti-slavery factions took over the party in the intervening century and a half? You're a joke, dude.
That is it rewrite history because it makes the Democrats look bad. Remember the Democrats are the party of slavery.
The Republican party of Lincoln morphed into the Democrat ideology. Republicans get no credit for ending slavery when the ideology shifted between the parties. Educate yourself.........not with far right sources either.
Slavery was ended with the 13th amendment in which not one Democrat voted for. The Republican party never morphed is a lie perpetrated by the Democrats to change their history of slavery and civil rights abuse.
In other news you don't understand what you read.
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