Why doesn't Biden feel voters deserve to know his stance on court packing? Anything else he wants to hide from voters?

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/10/10/biden-says-voters-dont-deserve-to-know-stance-on-court-packing/#7dc9409a7aac

Years ago he said court packing was a "boneheaded idea" that would destroy the most important branch of government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_lBVmrLfeQ

During the primary he said he opposed it.

During the general election he said he doesn't want to answer because his answer would become a big story. His VP picked based on her skin color and gender that bombed in the primary refused to answer the question multiple times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuJj2XTdRd8

The last few days he says he'll tell you after the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbD3oyG0Dgs

and now he says that voters don't deserve to know his stance.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1314929793524215808

Should we reward someone running for office who refuses to tell you about major changes to the Supreme Court? What other major changes to our country is he planning to make that he doesn't think we deserve to know about? Should all candidates for president just say they'll give you their stance after the election? That they'd tell you their position on issues, but are afraid it will become a story so it's better to keep voters in the dark.

Are you happy that he doesn't trust the American people with knowing what he will do with the Supreme Court?

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The GOP has made his previous stance obsolete.

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#3  Edited By HoolaHoopMan
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@mattbbpl said:

The GOP has made his previous stance obsolete.

This ^

Honestly, at this point Biden can do whatever the f*ck he wants. They're asking for transparency on their adversary while supporting Trump's bid to hide all of this skeletons. They're born hypocrites and their complaining means nothing at this point.

Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?

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I hope he does. He clearly is going to make his mind up depending on what happens. It's smart to side-step it for now.

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I don't know what the solution is, but something about the judicial appointment process needs to change so that no one is able to repeat what Mitch McConnell did to our courts.

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If the Republicans can stack the court, so can the Democrats.

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@judaspete: Constitutional amendment, won't happen. Just gotta play by the same terms they do.

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#8 Eoten
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Biden plans to pack the court and in doing so eliminate the separation of powers by turning the supreme court into a branch of the DNC, where a single party can unilaterally make and remove laws at the whims of the left. This would 100% result in a civil war which let's be honest, is what the left has been trying to push us towards for years now. The overwhelming majority of voters is against this, for good reason, and Biden's non-answer is going to hurt him.

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#9 Eoten
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@thegreatchomp said:

If the Republicans can stack the court, so can the Democrats.

Republican's didn't stack the court.

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@eoten: LMAO!!!

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#11 Eoten
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Wow, Youtube already took down the videos I posted of the main person arrested, Brandon Casterta attacking police. There's a new video going around of him also calling Trump a tyrant. But Youtube is taking that one down as well while people push the false narrative that these guys are Trump supporters in order to further divide people politically.

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You can find the most recent video here.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897

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#13  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@eoten: What’s your point? One anti government person whose leanings aren’t really known. The only person dividing people and pushing a narrative is you.

And stop hijacking this thread, stay on topic.

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@HoolaHoopMan: ‘Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?’

Except one is constitutional and one is not. But it’s not like the left cares about the constitution anyway.

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#15  Edited By Maxpowers_32
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@mattbbpl said:

The GOP has made his previous stance obsolete.

This ^

Honestly, at this point Biden can do whatever the f*ck he wants. They're asking for transparency on their adversary while supporting Trump's bid to hide all of this skeletons. They're born hypocrites and their complaining means nothing at this point.

Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?

What does explaining your policy position on the biggest change to 1 of the 3 branches of government have to do with Trump producing his taxes?

What has a bigger impact on your life. If Biden/Harris will politicize and make a mockery of the Supreme Court that has rulings that change the direction of the country and major policies or how much Trump paid in his federal taxes? Trump hasn't spent nearly half a decade massaging his taxes for public viewing. He has been running a complicated billion dollar business.

Is your stance that Biden doesn't have to answer any basic questions about what his policies are until you are completely satisfied that Trump has produced all documents

@zaryia said:

I hope he does. He clearly is going to make his mind up depending on what happens. It's smart to side-step it for now.

What other issues is he side stepping? What else is he planning to do that we don't have the right to know because he thinks we won't like it?

If he is going to decide based on the result on what happens with the confirmation hearing why not say that? If the Supreme Court doesn't push a left wing agenda he will have to pack it with left wing justices until it does. Then when there is a republican president and senate he can add more justices until it has a right wing agenda, right?

Was Biden wrong when he called FDR's plan to pack the court a "Bonehead idea"?

How exactly do Biden/Harris feel about fracking? Do they want to ban or or not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=digRNl-tmKI

At 20 seconds he looks that woman right in the eye and says he guarantees we're going to end fossil fuels.

Now he says he is not banning fracking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4_2ynjacFI

Harris said absolutely she wants to ban and will ban fracking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHnXl6S0E8w

In the debate she said "Joe Biden will not ban fracking. That is a fact"

https://youtu.be/3iDauyDEY5o?t=255

Is their position on the green new deal and banning fossil fuels including fracking also someone the American people don't deserve to know about? Will they tell us how they really feel after the election as well? Or no information on what will happen with American energy until Trump releases his tax returns? Or that if he is honest about their energy policy it will be in the news and they don't want to distract from the current coverage?

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@Sevenizz: Both are constitutional. Have you read it, or do you just use it's name as a shield when it suits you?

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#17 Eoten
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Biden won't say it because what he wants to do is what over 2/3 of eligible voters do NOT want him to do. Period.

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@Maxpowers_32: Democrats pander to a group based on what they want to hear, then when questioned on it change their stance if it could hurt them politically.

And they say the GOP is shady and dishonest.

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@eoten: And what would that be? Clarify for once.

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@judaspete said:

I don't know what the solution is, but something about the judicial appointment process needs to change so that no one is able to repeat what Mitch McConnell did to our courts.

No life time appointments. And pick an end date in an election year where a president cannot nominate. Or.....let them be voted in for term. Either/or.

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@eoten: And what would that be? Clarify for once.

Most people do not want the courts to be packed. A small minority of radicals who actually think if the left had full control over the courts in such a manner that they'd usher in some kind of utopia may agree to it out of ignorance, but most Americans ain't that dumb. Do you think they're going to give you free healthcare, free education, UBI, and all that other crap when they no longer have to win elections to get what they want? Lmfao, no. Otherwise they'd have given you that stuff last time they had control over the house, senate, and presidency.

It's stupid ideas like court packing that has kept the DNC out of control of the senate for so long, and why they cannot stop the nomination of ACB. And it's ideas like that that are going to keep Joe out of the White House and put Republicans back into the house. It's why when the next supreme court judge dies or retires, it'll most likely be Trump with a republican senate that nominates their replacement as well.

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@eoten: Still refusing to admit the Republicans are stacking the court right now I see. And nobody thinks what you are claiming.

Also, you can stop with the Republicans are going to win the house thing, not gonna happen.

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I feel like "court packing" has become the left's version "Oh, Biden would never do that. It's just a joke brah so don't worry about it."

But if Biden ever did decide to do it he would be praised for it and justification would come in the form of citing how Republicans filibustered court nominees for years just so that they could be the ones to pack the courts from top to bottom. Merrick Garland would be the single largest example of their bullshit.

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#24  Edited By Eoten
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@thegreatchomp said:

@eoten: Still refusing to admit the Republicans are stacking the court right now I see. And nobody thinks what you are claiming.

Also, you can stop with the Republicans are going to win the house thing, not gonna happen.

It's not stacking the court. Stacking the court is when you add seats, then appoint judges in those seats to offset the ones already there. Obama didn't have the senate he needed to get his last nomination passed, Trump did. Elections have consequences and it's crap like what Biden/Harris want to do is why Democrats haven't had, and do not have the senate to confirm nominations.

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@eoten: seems like the way you behave when you have power has consequences as well. Hold up nominations for years because you don't have the power to appoint them yourselves and you may inspire the people who you're screwing over to change tactics. You may not like those tactics, but they are just as legal as the ones you're side used.

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@Maxpowers_32 said:
@zaryia said:

I hope he does. He clearly is going to make his mind up depending on what happens. It's smart to side-step it for now.

What other issues is he side stepping? What else is he planning to do that we don't have the right to know because he thinks we won't like it?

Probably a lot. Welcome to politicians. Trump is the same way. Most people don't like what he has done either.

Fortunately I will agree with most of Biden's ideas, so this thread doesn't upset me. Gonna be voting Joe!

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@eoten said:
@thegreatchomp said:

@eoten: And what would that be? Clarify for once.

Most people do not want the courts to be packed. A small minority of radicals who actually think if the left had full control over the courts in such a manner that they'd usher in some kind of utopia may agree to it out of ignorance, but most Americans ain't that dumb. Do you think they're going to give you free healthcare, free education, UBI, and all that other crap when they no longer have to win elections to get what they want? Lmfao, no. Otherwise they'd have given you that stuff last time they had control over the house, senate, and presidency.

It's stupid ideas like court packing that has kept the DNC out of control of the senate for so long, and why they cannot stop the nomination of ACB. And it's ideas like that that are going to keep Joe out of the White House and put Republicans back into the house. It's why when the next supreme court judge dies or retires, it'll most likely be Trump with a republican senate that nominates their replacement as well.

And most people don't want senate to even discuss that before they handle Covid Relief, 74% in fact. Same goes for many things Senate won't even take up. It's probably best to stop mentioning "but most people" as any kind of argument. I'm not sure where you are getting your data from, but most Americans vote for Democrats and most Americans will likely vote for Joe over Trump. Most Americans generally agree with Democrats on most major policy. Most people disagree with the right on climate change, gerrymandering, covid, gays, voting rights, guns, taxing the rich, healthcare, etc.

You are the less popular party. Especially among people who aren't old as shit.

  • Poll: 74 percent of voters want Senate to take on COVID-19 relief before SCOTUS nominee

  • Americans are split on Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett, with 46% saying they do not want the Senate to send her to the high court and 42% saying the Senate should confirm her in a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS.

Lets not act like it's one side doing what most people don't want when it comes to the SCOTUS.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@thegreatchomp said:

@eoten: And what would that be? Clarify for once.

Most people do not want the courts to be packed. A small minority of radicals who actually think if the left had full control over the courts in such a manner that they'd usher in some kind of utopia may agree to it out of ignorance, but most Americans ain't that dumb. Do you think they're going to give you free healthcare, free education, UBI, and all that other crap when they no longer have to win elections to get what they want? Lmfao, no. Otherwise they'd have given you that stuff last time they had control over the house, senate, and presidency.

It's stupid ideas like court packing that has kept the DNC out of control of the senate for so long, and why they cannot stop the nomination of ACB. And it's ideas like that that are going to keep Joe out of the White House and put Republicans back into the house. It's why when the next supreme court judge dies or retires, it'll most likely be Trump with a republican senate that nominates their replacement as well.

And most people don't want senate to even discuss that before they handle Covid Relief, 74% in fact. Same goes for many things Senate won't even take up. It's probably best to stop mentioning "but most people" as any kind of argument. I'm not sure where you are getting your data from, but most Americans vote for Democrats and most Americans will likely vote for Joe over Trump. Most Americans generally agree with Democrats on most major policy. Most people disagree with the right on climate change, gerrymandering, covid, gays, voting rights, guns, taxing the rich, healthcare, etc.

You are the less popular party. Especially among people who aren't old as shit.

Trump said he'd be willing to approve a clean $1,200 stimulus bill. Pelosi wants funding for unrelated projects. Even got busted admitting she won't support funding the thousands of airline workers who have lost their jobs unless she gets funding for illegals and for cities that allowed riots to happen.

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@Sevenizz said:

@HoolaHoopMan: ‘Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?’

Except one is constitutional and one is not. But it’s not like the left cares about the constitution anyway.

They're both constitutional. Try again.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Sevenizz said:

@HoolaHoopMan: ‘Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?’

Except one is constitutional and one is not. But it’s not like the left cares about the constitution anyway.

They're both constitutional. Try again.

It's sure as hell a power grab though and would be considered a constitutional crisis that would elicit a response from the states. And don't pretend it isn't.

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@eoten: Stop changing the definition of phrases to suit your needs. Stacking the court is filling it with likeminded people to get what you want. That is what Trump is doing, stacking the court so it leans to one side only, that way he controls it and can do whatever he wants. You denying that won’t change it.

You don’t understand maps do you? You can keep lying to yourself or admit nothing you say is true. The Democrats don’t have the senate but not because of what you are lying about.

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@eoten: Oh no! A power grab? By the Democrats!?

Only Republicans are allowed to do that!

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#33 HoolaHoopMan
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@Maxpowers_32 said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@mattbbpl said:

The GOP has made his previous stance obsolete.

This ^

Honestly, at this point Biden can do whatever the f*ck he wants. They're asking for transparency on their adversary while supporting Trump's bid to hide all of this skeletons. They're born hypocrites and their complaining means nothing at this point.

Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?

What does explaining your policy position on the biggest change to 1 of the 3 branches of government have to do with Trump producing his taxes?

I'm drawing a parallel so that Trump supporters have an idea on how morally and ethically bankrupt they are. You expect honestly from Biden yet support a serial pathologic liar like Trump. You have no good faith left.

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I sure hope so.

I'm not too keen on all of the modern liberal agenda, but it's better than treading over the same territory as abortion, same-sex stuff, and other shit that people want to be fascist about.

Also WTF is up with the finger pointing? Pot, meet kettle.

@eoten said:
@thegreatchomp said:

If the Republicans can stack the court, so can the Democrats.

Republican's didn't stack the court.

I....but.....who....wha---

@thegreatchomp said:

@eoten: LMAO!!!

Boy, you said it.

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Spot on. Just reply, "but is it illegal?" Let's not pretend that anything else matters at this point.

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@eoten said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Sevenizz said:

@HoolaHoopMan: ‘Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?’

Except one is constitutional and one is not. But it’s not like the left cares about the constitution anyway.

They're both constitutional. Try again.

It's sure as hell a power grab though and would be considered a constitutional crisis that would elicit a response from the states. And don't pretend it isn't.

Great, but it's not unconstitutional. Plus I don't think supporters of McConnell, Barr, and Trump can faithfully complain about power grabs considering their actions these past years. We're merely setting the example set forward by them, right?

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@mrbojangles25: Laughing at him is the only response. In fairness, he makes it hard not to.

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#38  Edited By Zaryia
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"Only our side is allowed to do questionable and unpopular yet legal things to gain power!"

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#39 Eoten
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@eoten said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@Sevenizz said:

@HoolaHoopMan: ‘Maybe I'll support Biden clarifying his stance once Trump produces his taxes. Fair is fair, right?’

Except one is constitutional and one is not. But it’s not like the left cares about the constitution anyway.

They're both constitutional. Try again.

It's sure as hell a power grab though and would be considered a constitutional crisis that would elicit a response from the states. And don't pretend it isn't.

Great, but it's not unconstitutional. Plus I don't think supporters of McConnell, Barr, and Trump can faithfully complain about power grabs considering their actions these past years. We're merely setting the example set forward by them, right?

Did I say it was? And McConnell, Barr, nor Trump have done anything you could consider a power grab. Biden isn't using any example set fourth by anyone, but an excuse you belief is justified based on your ignorance of the situation. It's nothing more than the left throwing a tantrum because they can't get their way and the reason they can't get their way is because the American voters have kept them out of the Senate, and out of the White House. Now, if the left wanted to get their way, they should try winning more elections, and what is essentially saying they will pack the court isn't going to win them any.

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@zaryia: "Only our side is allowed to do questionable and unpopular yet legal things to gain power!"

Yup, that's the argument Republicans have essentially been making since, well, as long as I have been paying attention to politics at any rate.

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@eoten: "And McConnell, Barr, nor Trump have done anything you could consider a power grab."

You can't be serious. We've mentioned some in this very thread.

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#42 MirkoS77
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Oh piss off with this shit.

Three Supreme Court seats for decades to come. Do you know how many judges Trump has appointed aside from these also?

There’s stacking of the courts going on, and it’s not the Democrats who’ve been doing it. Republicans bitching and whining. Pathetic.

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#43  Edited By HoolaHoopMan
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@eoten said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Great, but it's not unconstitutional. Plus I don't think supporters of McConnell, Barr, and Trump can faithfully complain about power grabs considering their actions these past years. We're merely setting the example set forward by them, right?

Did I say it was? And McConnell, Barr, nor Trump have done anything you could consider a power grab. Biden isn't using any example set fourth by anyone, but an excuse you belief is justified based on your ignorance of the situation. It's nothing more than the left throwing a tantrum because they can't get their way and the reason they can't get their way is because the American voters have kept them out of the Senate, and out of the White House. Now, if the left wanted to get their way, they should try winning more elections, and what is essentially saying they will pack the court isn't going to win them any.

Bolded: this is why any discussion on these grounds lack merit from your side. A blind refusal to acknowledge reality. Anyways, it's hardly relevant I suppose.

Great, so it's legal and fair game. I'm glad we can arrive to his conclusion together.

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#44 HoolaHoopMan
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@eoten: "And McConnell, Barr, nor Trump have done anything you could consider a power grab."

You can't be serious. We've mentioned some in this very thread.

Oh, you thought you'd garner a serious and honest discussion from them?

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#45 mattbbpl
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@mattbbpl said:

@eoten: "And McConnell, Barr, nor Trump have done anything you could consider a power grab."

You can't be serious. We've mentioned some in this very thread.

Oh, you thought you'd garner a serious and honest discussion from them?

No, not really. I'm just making sure everyone here knows the ropes and doesn't try to get away with spreading nonsense like that.

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#46 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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It's a political maneouver. He wants to pack the court. He knows its an unpopular move. So dont talk about it. Deflect.

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#47 Eoten
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@eoten said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Great, but it's not unconstitutional. Plus I don't think supporters of McConnell, Barr, and Trump can faithfully complain about power grabs considering their actions these past years. We're merely setting the example set forward by them, right?

Did I say it was? And McConnell, Barr, nor Trump have done anything you could consider a power grab. Biden isn't using any example set fourth by anyone, but an excuse you belief is justified based on your ignorance of the situation. It's nothing more than the left throwing a tantrum because they can't get their way and the reason they can't get their way is because the American voters have kept them out of the Senate, and out of the White House. Now, if the left wanted to get their way, they should try winning more elections, and what is essentially saying they will pack the court isn't going to win them any.

Bolded: this is why any discussion on these grounds lack merit from your side. A blind refusal to acknowledge reality. Anyways, it's hardly relevant I suppose.

Great, so it's legal and fair game. I'm glad we can arrive to his conclusion together.

There's nothing to acknowledge. Your beliefs are not reality. There has been do power grab. What has happened is the outcome of the American people choose NOT to give Democrats the power to pick supreme court justices. In fact, if asked, you'll find it's the #1 reason people voted for Trump. Doing his job isn't some kind of power grab. You're living in a fantasy.

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#48 mattbbpl
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@eoten: "There has been do power grab. What has happened is the outcome of the American people choose NOT to give Democrats the power to pick supreme court justices."

Then Biden's actions, or those of some successor down the road, will simply be the outcome of the American people choosing TO give Democrats the power to make those actions.

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#49 HoolaHoopMan
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@eoten said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Bolded: this is why any discussion on these grounds lack merit from your side. A blind refusal to acknowledge reality. Anyways, it's hardly relevant I suppose.

Great, so it's legal and fair game. I'm glad we can arrive to his conclusion together.

There's nothing to acknowledge. Your beliefs are not reality. There has been do power grab. What has happened is the outcome of the American people choose NOT to give Democrats the power to pick supreme court justices. In fact, if asked, you'll find it's the #1 reason people voted for Trump. Doing his job isn't some kind of power grab. You're living in a fantasy.

If people vote in Biden and democratic legislators and they choose to stack the court it is thus the will of the people.

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#50  Edited By mattbbpl
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@HoolaHoopMan: Right? This is so easy when they don't have a goddamn leg to stand on thanks to their own actions.