Why are leftists so afraid of Putin?

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#1 Elpresador-911
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They've been going on about Putin and Russia for 10 months now but what exactly has Russia done that has hurt our country in recent months? Libs seem to hate Mother Russia more than ISIS.

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#2 SOedipus
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It's because Russia isn't suffering enough.

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Well obviously it's because they hate democracy and America. Duh.

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#4 R3FURBISHED
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"afraid" is an interesting word

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#5  Edited By Zaryia
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Not leftists, just people who aren't far right nuts. This is the assessment of 17 intelligence agencies, among other groups, which came to the overwhelming conclusion that they attempted to interfere with our election.

Also because the military labels them as a very high threat especially over the last 2 years.

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Hysteria from the MSM.

We all know good ol' US wants to get their hands on a Syrian pipeline.

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I think people are more worried by how easily Trump can be exploited by Putin than by Putin him self.

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Because they actively try to undermine the US and their allys? If you think Russia is our friend you're a gullible fool.

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OMFG LOL. Right wingers are still trying to damage control over Trump and Pootin? Ahahaha. Holy shit.

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#10  Edited By Zaryia
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@Gaming-Planet said:

Hysteria from the MSM.

US Intelligence is not MSM.

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#11  Edited By mrbojangles25
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You misheard, leftists are afraid of puddin'

and because of Cosby. Duh.

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#12  Edited By LordQuorthon
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@elpresador-911 said:

They've been going on about Putin and Russia for 10 months now but what exactly has Russia done that has hurt our country in recent months? Libs seem to hate Mother Russia more than ISIS.

Do you know what Russia do to neighboring countries?

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#14  Edited By KOD
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@horgen said:
@elpresador-911 said:

They've been going on about Putin and Russia for 10 months now but what exactly has Russia done that has hurt our country in recent months? Libs seem to hate Mother Russia more than ISIS.

Do you know what Russia do to neighboring countries?

Something comparable to what America has done to central and south America and the middle east?

Russia is an issue, Putin specifically. No one wants to see an EX-KGB agent attempting to restore the glory days of the soviet tsars. But the bigger issue is the three pigs.... Napoleon, Snowball and old Major being applied to the world.

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@kod said:

Something comparable to what America has done to central and south America and the middle east?

Russia is an issue, Putin specifically. No one wants to see an EX-KGB agent attempting to restore the glory days of the soviet tsars. But the bigger issue is the three pigs.... Napoleon, Snowball and old Major being applied to the world.

Now I am a bit unsure what US had done to central and south America so I don't know. As for middle east. Somewhat comparable.

I am not familiar with the latter part of your post. Napoleon, Snowball and old Major?

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#16  Edited By KOD
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@horgen said:
@kod said:

Something comparable to what America has done to central and south America and the middle east?

Russia is an issue, Putin specifically. No one wants to see an EX-KGB agent attempting to restore the glory days of the soviet tsars. But the bigger issue is the three pigs.... Napoleon, Snowball and old Major being applied to the world.

Now I am a bit unsure what US had done to central and south America so I don't know. As for middle east. Somewhat comparable.

I am not familiar with the latter part of your post. Napoleon, Snowball and old Major?

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Lethal-CIA-Interventions-in-Latin-America-20160608-0031.html

http://xpatnation.com/the-cia-operations-that-undermined-latin-american-democracy/

http://www.alternet.org/noam-chomsky-nuclear

We could include operation Northwoods during the Bay of Pigs on this list, luckily it did not come into play but it was a contingency plan to murder citizens on the streets of the US, bomb US buildings and blowing up civilian airliners, and blaming all of this on the communists in Cuba. I do think people find out about this and thats where they get "911 was a conspiracy plan by our government" but whatever, we know it was a plan they had and quite frankly anything else short of nukes i cant find more disgusting.

Oh, the last part. The last part is an animal farm/power structure reference. It takes 3 pigs at a nuclear standstill to control everything. In this case it would be the US, China and Russia. Not necessarily nuclear, but it tends to help. In WW2 the analogy would have been Germany, Russia and Japan.

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@zaryia said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

Hysteria from the MSM.

US Intelligence is not MSM.

Operation mockingbird. Control the narrative.

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@elpresador-911 said:

They've been going on about Putin and Russia for 10 months now but what exactly has Russia done that has hurt our country in recent months? Libs seem to hate Mother Russia more than ISIS.

Yes the left are terrified of Putin.

Because they are terrified of a world leader that do not care about their snowflake agenda.

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@Gaming-Planet said:
@zaryia said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

Hysteria from the MSM.

US Intelligence is not MSM.

Operation mockingbird. Control the narrative.

Citation needed.

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@zaryia said:
@Gaming-Planet said:
@zaryia said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

Hysteria from the MSM.

US Intelligence is not MSM.

Operation mockingbird. Control the narrative.

Citation needed.

The CIA itself. It's been declassified.

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Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

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Cooties.

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#23 ruthaford_jive
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Because they couldn't accept that Hillary lost because of Hillary, so they try to blame something else. If this election has shown us anything, aside from the general stupidity of the average American (on both sides), or that people will vote for any idiot, it's that the Democrats have a hard time losing... and the Republicans don't know what to do when they actually have power. Both parties are corrupt as ****. The Democrats constantly push these terrible socialistic policies that over time will fundamentally change our country for the worse, and the Republicans are just the blithering do-nothing opposition party that have no spine to get anything done. And Trump could get things done if he wasn't so busy being a damned fool. Trumps biggest enemy is himself.

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The media likes to drum up xenophobic hysteria. The media is also running the Democratic party. Reminds me of Canadian Bacon. Unite the narrow minded masses by creating an imaginary enemy.

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@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

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@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

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@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

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@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

...

Then move to China?

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#29  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

No they kill those who speak out in China.

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#30 bmanva
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@zaryia said:

Not leftists, just people who aren't far right nuts.

Uh you do realize the whole MCarthyism and red scare were products of the extreme right, right?

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@bmanva said:
@zaryia said:

Not leftists, just people who aren't far right nuts.

Uh you do realize the whole MCarthyism and red scare were products of the extreme right, right?

Yes. I know that. But I was talking about this current Russian issue, as is the OP. It's not just lefitsts who believe Russia attempted to undermine our democratic process. Unless you think the entire IC is in cahoots with the DNC.

This situation is nothing like McCarthyism. It's based off of facts and/or is using proper investigations to determine the facts. False equivalency.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

...

Then move to China?

Well, luckily i'm in a profession that do not get outsourced.

But i wouldn´t mind living in China, their culture is great.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

No they kill those who speak out in China.

lol nah, they just put snowflakes in jail :)

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

No they kill those who speak out in China.

lol nah, they just put snowflakes in jail :)

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

No they kill those who speak out in China.

lol nah, they just put snowflakes in jail :)

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Do you really claim that China during the 80´s is the same as China today?

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#36 LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

No they kill those who speak out in China.

lol nah, they just put snowflakes in jail :)

Tiananmen Square

Do you really claim that China during the 80´s is the same as China today?

Can you really claim they don't silence opposition?

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#37 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No they kill those who speak out in China.

lol nah, they just put snowflakes in jail :)

Tiananmen Square

Do you really claim that China during the 80´s is the same as China today?

Can you really claim they don't silence opposition?

Nope, but now they jail them instead of killing them.

Not to mention that China has improved alot since 89 Looking at the last 2 decades, China have been a powerhouse in economics and growth.

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Nope, but now they jail them instead of killing them.

Not to mention that China has improved alot since 89 Looking at the last 2 decades, China have been a powerhouse in economics and growth.

It is worth noting that China decided to mimic American capitalism in a certain way where most of their economic growth was just going to the top 8%. The other 92% of the population got the scraps.

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#39  Edited By PurpleMan5000
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Putin's occupation of Crimea is where most of the dislike originated, imo. He pretty clearly wants to weaken NATO, and since the US is a member of NATO, that is not good for us. At least it's not good if you aren't so brainwashed that you would rather live in a country where people get jailed for their beliefs than live here and see offensive facebook posts.

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@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:
@Jacanuk said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Putin is anti-freedom of speech, anti-homosexual and pro-colonialism. It's not fear of a man, it's fear of oppressive ideology. And the entire free world is afraid.

Sorry you mean some of the "free world" is afraid.

I'm pretty sure China is not concerned with Russia

Dunno if i'd considered China as part of the "free world".

Im sure the us loan takers will disagree not to mention all the things we get from China.

Also freedom is overrated. China doesn't have to deal with the snowflakes who stand up and demand special treatment and that everyone rally around their special little needs and more segregation

China is the world's biggest safe space for right wing militants.

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#41  Edited By Treflis
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Even before the second world war, the US has been vary of Russia. Which escalated drastically during the cold war with many whom grew up in that time still being alive today.

And you are wondering why people are still concerned about Russia?

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Because americans need to sell weapons, they need to validate there army. And they need a enemy to keep there social issue's at bay with idiotic wars.

it's the same what north korea does, constant war and attacks towards neighbors so there people have no time to rally up against there leader.

Did you not saw how the poles moved up when trump decided to bomb that air base. The only downsize was that nobody was poking him back. he would have been the best president ever.

Nobody in europe cares about crimea ( whatever its called ), everybody see's anything west from poland ( even poland ) as russia anyway. The only reason europe "cares" is because there free labor is getting cut. But that's easily solvable with immigrants anyway.

This is also why europe doesn't expand on army's. nobody see's putin as a aggressor. Putin is not going to invade europe unless he wants to head a few atomic bombs on its way which aint going to happen.

Only war mongering backwards thinking americans think putin is the evil men.

Does putin do some stuff that is questionable? sure. does america bomb entire city's and burn murder 1000's of people in other country's with there bombs every year? jup.

It's just laughable at this point.

This is also why trump got laughed at in europe when he through he had any position to demand anything. he can withdraw his army's, nobody in europe will care even one bit

Besides merkel the uber german that is heavily busy in fighting there ww3 again in europe to dominate the main land. She's happy with somebody like trump.

I can already see there propoganda, "we need massive army's" universal army but under german control !.

Any country with massive army's, and tries to influence other country's with there nonsense can just gtfo.

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@Treflis said:

Even before the second world war, the US has been vary of Russia. Which escalated drastically during the cold war with many whom grew up in that time still being alive today.

And you are wondering why people are still concerned about Russia?

Besides we do not live in that area anymore. Putin is by far the best leader these days that is open for western things. allows western thing and progress in his own country. It's by far the best leader to keep all his people under control.

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@Gatygun said:
@Treflis said:

Even before the second world war, the US has been vary of Russia. Which escalated drastically during the cold war with many whom grew up in that time still being alive today.

And you are wondering why people are still concerned about Russia?

Besides we do not live in that area anymore. Putin is by far the best leader these days that is open for western things. allows western thing and progress in his own country. It's by far the best leader to keep all his people under control.

Ah the old fascism is the only way argument. Seriously dude. Keeping people under control is a positive to you? Wow.