US kills 31x more civilians than admits...WTF is wrong with this country?

This country has gone so far down the shitter...jesus christ almighty...

Obviously civilian casualties are terrible

Compared to when exactly?

Does it matter?

in terms of your statement, yes

who cares.

I mean you made the statement...so you?

Well if you're going to make a statement you need to back it up......

Huh? I don't, it was just a statement of the obvious. This country is going down the shitty of being irredeemable, killing countless innocence, and destroying lives and entire countries the world over.

So we're going down the shitter, compared to when though? What is your point of reference for when we were doing okay

We are the evil empire.

GIT GUD PLEBS

Uh, we've kinda been going down the slippery slope of war since WWII. And has accelerated big time since the vietnam war.

so you think we're currently worse than nuclear bombs and firebombing cities?

Suprised we are not there yet. We did just drop the biggest non nuclear bomb in our arsenal for no reason. It sounds like you are pro war.... excusing everything our military has done...

I mean, in fairness, we have done much worse than this in the past. Doesn't make us look better, but acting like america was better before is nonsense.

Really so what happened to the Native Americans was okay then?

Oh, thats what the other guys mean... I never claimed we were saints before, I know all about the shit we did before, and after WWII. But it just seems now are are just digging our own grave as a nation when it comes to relations with the rest of the world.

I didn't say anything like that at all. Using a MOAB was probably excessive, but I don't think you can really compare dropping a giant bomb on an ISIS cave system to nuking a city, twice

Nope, but you'd think after 250 god damn years, we'd be a better nation then we used to be, but instead we are even worse now.

I think genocide is about as bad as you can be............

Does it really matter? My point still stands.

Hyperbole, straw man, completely missing the point...........good post dude. smh

I'd say that is even worse, genocide in multiple countries. Not just one, and I got your point.

@AlexKidd5000: So what is your point? War is shit and there are casualties.

Easily preventable casualties. The easiest way to end all this terrorism, is to stop committing it ourselves. If we would just withdraw our friggin military altogether, that would be a great start to ending all this pointless death and destruction.

@AlexKidd5000: Sure it would and those people in Paris and France and UK all deserved right.

When someone throws a punch you don´t go hide in the corner you give 2 back and knock the thing out.

Nothing like winning in a kid killing contest.

you want us to withdraw our military from everywhere?

Yup, or atleast stop perpetuating more pointless war. because all we have proven is that we suck at fighting them.

you really think it's a good idea to just up and pull out all our military abroad?

Yes, we should also stop propping up ISIS, and al qaida, giving them money and weapons, that would also be a good start.

We need to continue to confront certain groups with force.

We need to be as careful as possible when applying force.

We need to stop cavorting with supposed allies that are actually part of the problem.

And we need to start putting in a lot more effort on the non-force front by addressing why radicalization happens in the first place, which is a heck of a lot more complicated than applying force.

Bombing shit is easy. Confronting the reasons that lead to needing to bomb said shit in the first place is hard.

At best, force is about containment. At worst, it exacerbates the problem. We need to be closer to containment, while working on the root of the problem by other means.

Agreed.

Is the OP a 18 year first year college student that discovered Karl Marx for the first time?

@zaryia: Nice play on the emotions.

Remember who began this war.

And to top it off, 10,000 Americans are murdered every year by other Americans with guns.

Our country is shameful. I have never been less proud to be an American and wish I were Canadian.

Obama was the drone killer master. Dude was off the hook on that shit.

Uh ok.

Pretty disgusting. I'd like to see the "bad guy: civilian ratio", however, before jumping to any conclusions.

Using a bomb designed to cut down forest to make room for helicopters wasn't just excessive, it was pointless. If his intention was to collapse a tunnel network so the bodies couldn't be counted, and then go "Yeah, well...there was probably like 10,000 terrorists in there. Add it to the scoreboard" then, hey, good job I guess?

It's kind of like the guy doing pushups and counting 1...2....3....10...15...30....100! Wooo man I am strong.

Delusional. SAD!

Well there's a reason why kids in the middle east are afraid to go outside unless it's cloudy.

TC lives in a book and not the real world.

The old saying comes to mind. You either die a hero or live long enough to see your self become the villain. Unfortunately that's what has happened to the US. No the US isn't fully corrupt....we've given plenty to charities and made lives better world wide. At the same time, the evil can't be washed away. And there's nothing the regular people can do about it because the political system is corrupt as heck. The first thing that needs to happen is for a real 3rd party to emerge and send a message to the elites and corrupted scumbags.

I like how the start of the video shows an RQ-4 Global Hawk. No weapons payload. Surveillance only. NASA operates them too.

@n64dd: and you live in your own mind and not the real world haha.

Hamas does charity drives and gives to the community, does that mean they're not fully corrupted and evil?

America is fully corrupted, we are an oligarchy and part of an oligarchy is a police state ran by Gestapo thugs.

Lol, this is news to you? You should've seen the casualties from our past wars, the drone's are nothing. US bombs alone in Vietnam killed nearly 2 million innocents. Most things America does admit to gets ignored or over shadowed by something else anyway. It's not the stuff you just want to immediately say to the public anymore than a kid would want to tell their parents they are gay or something.

@pimphand_gamer: and in Laos as well, but people back then were very very opposed to the vietnam war, now our gov just normalizes all the shit we do.

Stop with the duplicity and be consistent. Which is it? Do you want us to pull our military from foreign land? Or do you want us to execute the points in @SUD123456 post? The nation cannot do both.

My apologies. I just get overly emotional sometimes over this crap. So tired of it.