Trump touts House Intel findings of 'no evidence of collusion' between campaign, Russia.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/12/trump-touts-house-intel-findings-no-evidence-collusion-between-campaign-russia.html

President Donald Trump trumpeted the House Intelligence Committee's report that it found "no evidence of collusion, coordination or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians" in an all-caps Twitter post Monday night.

"THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION," wrote Trump, reiterating the main finding from the panel's 150-page draft report.]

The committee's investigation was based on four topics: Russian active measures against the 2016 U.S. election, the U.S. government's response to the attack, links between Russians and the Trump and Clinton campaigns, and purported leaks of classified information.

“We believe we've got the information necessary to answer those for the American people,” Conaway said.

The report also noted that based on its investigation which lasted more than a year, the committee disagreed with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin had a “supposed preference” for then-candidate Donald Trump.

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@n64dd said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/12/trump-touts-house-intel-findings-no-evidence-collusion-between-campaign-russia.html

President Donald Trump trumpeted the House Intelligence Committee's report that it found "no evidence of collusion, coordination or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians" in an all-caps Twitter post Monday night.

"THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION," wrote Trump, reiterating the main finding from the panel's 150-page draft report.]

The committee's investigation was based on four topics: Russian active measures against the 2016 U.S. election, the U.S. government's response to the attack, links between Russians and the Trump and Clinton campaigns, and purported leaks of classified information.

“We believe we've got the information necessary to answer those for the American people,” Conaway said.

The report also noted that based on its investigation which lasted more than a year, the committee disagreed with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin had a “supposed preference” for then-candidate Donald Trump.

Interesting conclusion coming from the House intel committee.

Wonder if the democratic henchman Muller will come to a similar conclusion soon or he will go against it.

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@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/12/trump-touts-house-intel-findings-no-evidence-collusion-between-campaign-russia.html

President Donald Trump trumpeted the House Intelligence Committee's report that it found "no evidence of collusion, coordination or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians" in an all-caps Twitter post Monday night.

"THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION," wrote Trump, reiterating the main finding from the panel's 150-page draft report.]

The committee's investigation was based on four topics: Russian active measures against the 2016 U.S. election, the U.S. government's response to the attack, links between Russians and the Trump and Clinton campaigns, and purported leaks of classified information.

“We believe we've got the information necessary to answer those for the American people,” Conaway said.

The report also noted that based on its investigation which lasted more than a year, the committee disagreed with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin had a “supposed preference” for then-candidate Donald Trump.

Interesting conclusion coming from the House intel committee.

Wonder if the democratic henchman Muller will come to a similar conclusion soon or he will go against it.

democratic henchman?

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pretty sure it's just the republicans, which includes Devin Nunes, who came to that conclusion

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@drlostrib said:

pretty sure it's just the republicans, which includes Devin Nunes, who came to that conclusion

Because how dare he find something on Trump and his cronies.

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#6 vl4d_l3nin
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That comment section is on fiyah

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Glad it's over. The House Intel committee's investigation was a waste of tax payer dollars and continually provided ample footage for any dictator looking to prove to his people America was just as bad as the country they were living in. Whatever the result, and I myself don't particularly see the collusion argument with what we know, how you get there is important. This committee should have taken the matter seriously and done a proper investigation, not this "show up when you like/answer what you like" bullshit. R's went batshit when Hillary's people were taking the fifth and getting immunity. This House committee was just plain letting people do what they wanted. Doing it like this just creates more partisan strife, which makes us more vulnerable to foreign influence campaigns like the one we just saw.

IT does surprise me that they can with a straight face say Russia didn't prefer Trump when the Podesta emails started dropping 30 minutes after the Access Hollywood tape. Grown-ups shouldn't believe in that kind of coincidence, particularly when they are charged with national security matters. Nevermind that Russian leadership literally broke out the champagne when Trump won...i mean, we have video of that. I don't feel like there's anything particularly inculpatory about admitting the Russians wanted Trump to win and directed much of their information campaign in that direction, either. Every nation has a stake in who wins the US presidency and that doesn't necessarily reflect on the candidate, but let's at least admit what's obvious. That part of the conclusion is just some Ronald McDonald shit.

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Thank goodness, I was getting tired of the anti-trump conspiracy theories.

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Republicans proclaim no wrongdoing in an investigation they were conducting implicating a Republican president of collusion. Massive shocker.

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Turns out this wasn’t the finding of the House Comittee, just a statement from some of its GOP members. Right on the heels of Trump hiring a impeachment lawyer and just before voters hit the booths to settle a tight race in Pennsylvania, no less. Seems legit...

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@Jacanuk: Don't you mean it’s interesting that the GOP house committee has broken with every major intelligence agency, JaCUCK?

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@joebones5000 said:

lol Did anyone think the republican lead committee would ever find fault with a republican president?

The world is waiting on Meuller to MAGA!

Sounds like you're sweating it.

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@joebones5000:

The only people saying that is the GOP, anyway. It's nothing too surprising seeing as how much heat they're afraid of catching. The rats are still abandoning Trump's ship.

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@Jacanuk: democratic henchman?

He’s a life long loyal republican JaCUCK.

Put on your tin foil hat

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@piisexactly4 said:

Thank goodness, I was getting tired of the anti-trump conspiracy theories.

More like anti-Trump statements of the obvious.

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@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

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@Jacanuk said:

democratic henchman Muller

WTF.........he's a Republican. You really don't live in reality do you?

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lol. republican side of partisan committee rules in favor of president from same party.

shock value: 0

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@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

Yes, they're panicking.

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@n64dd said:
@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

Yes, they're panicking.

No one's doing that. They are picking up some seats though.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

Yes, they're panicking.

No one's doing that. They are picking up some seats though.

I kind of hope they do. I don't like one party controlling house, senate and presidency.

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@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

who is calling for a recount?

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Man it must really infuriate Trump that he can't just pick up the phone and tweet that he's firing Mueller

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@drlostrib said:
@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

who is calling for a recount?

i dont think any democrat has ever called for a recount of 2016

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Unsurprising that the GOP portion of the committee would find nothing of the sort, while completing ignoring the Democratic members and entire US intelligence apparatus.

Honestly, these guys were just putting on a show to fuel Trump's (and his supporters) confirmation bias on the issue. It's embarrassing and pathetic and people will remember this show of partisanship.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

Unsurprising that the GOP portion of the committee would find nothing of the sort, while completing ignoring the Democratic members and entire US intelligence apparatus.

Honestly, these guys were just putting on a show to fuel Trump's (and his supporters) confirmation bias on the issue. It's embarrassing and pathetic and people will remember this show of partisanship.

So you seem to miss that close to a year into the Muller investigation, there has been nothing in regards to collusion and all he has done so far is file a few unrelated indictments.

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@PurpleMan5000 said:
@piisexactly4 said:

Thank goodness, I was getting tired of the anti-trump conspiracy theories.

More like anti-Trump statements of the obvious.

I've yet to see any evidence against trump, it's no better than the 9/11 conspiracy theorists at this point....

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@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Unsurprising that the GOP portion of the committee would find nothing of the sort, while completing ignoring the Democratic members and entire US intelligence apparatus.

Honestly, these guys were just putting on a show to fuel Trump's (and his supporters) confirmation bias on the issue. It's embarrassing and pathetic and people will remember this show of partisanship.

So you seem to miss that close to a year into the Muller investigation, there has been nothing in regards to collusion and all he has done so far is file a few unrelated indictments.

He's indicted 13 Russians, Trump's former campaign manager, deputy inaugural committee chair (among other things), national security adviser, foreign policy adviser, and Rick Gate's attorney. And that's just what's happened in the last year, not counting that many of them have reached plea deals in order to implicate and extend the search of the probe even further.

All of these people had deep connections to Russians, lied about having connections to Russians, or have direct charges of conspiracy laid out against them. To claim that these are 'unrelated indictments' is stunningly ignorant. The best case scenario for Trump is that he's an imbecile that surrounds himself with crooks and is easily manipulated by outside influences (which could very well be the case pending the outcome of the investigation). The 13 indictments against Russian nationals explicitly contradicts the GOP intel reports further showing what a shame their findings were.

Keep moving the goal posts if that makes you feel better. Mueller's investigation will continue to close in on the Trump administration and tarnish his dumpster fire of an administration.

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@HoolaHoopMan said: The best case scenario for Trump is that he's an imbecile that surrounds himself with crooks and is easily manipulated by outside influences (which could very well be the case pending the outcome of the investigation).

You're tacitly admitting that he likely had no knowledge of any wrongdoing, thus innocent of any collusion (which isn't even a crime to begin with), and it was the people around him acting unethically, which has been a conservative argument since the beginning. Pretty sure libs are the ones moving the goalpost.

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@tryit said:
@drlostrib said:
@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

who is calling for a recount?

i dont think any democrat has ever called for a recount of 2016

Yep. It was a GREEN party presidential candidate who, like Trump, is being cited as a Russia plant.

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@vl4d_l3nin said:
@HoolaHoopMan said: The best case scenario for Trump is that he's an imbecile that surrounds himself with crooks and is easily manipulated by outside influences (which could very well be the case pending the outcome of the investigation).

You're tacitly admitting that he likely had no knowledge of any wrongdoing, thus innocent of any collusion (which isn't even a crime to begin with), and it was the people around him acting unethically, which has been a conservative argument since the beginning. Pretty sure libs are the ones moving the goalpost.

There's no admission on my part at all, I merely stated that Trump's more favorable scenario is still a shit sandwich for him. I'm generally a person that believes if there's smoke there's fire but I'm willing to accept the findings of the investigation once complete.

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@piisexactly4: Yeah, it’s probably just coincidence that all of these people he hires keep pleading guilty to various crimes.

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@Jacanuk said:

Wonder if the democratic henchman Muller

He's a Republican.

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It was proven that Trump's son and several close companions had continuous contact with Russia during the campaign, and that there was collusion. This is a fact.

Intelligence? Imbecility, more like. Its like watching circus. Real politics is out, circus politics is in. Is this the new way of US politics?

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@tryit said:
@drlostrib said:
@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

who is calling for a recount?

i dont think any democrat has ever called for a recount of 2016

Yep. It was a GREEN party presidential candidate who, like Trump, is being cited as a Russia plant.

oh I see something like 4% of the Left represents the whole.

Kind of like how everyone on the right are clearly white supremacists because a small % are.

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@tryit said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@tryit said:
@drlostrib said:
@mecha_frieza said:

@n64dd: The democrats are grasping at straws at this point. Some of them are still screaming for a recount over a year into Trump's presidency. It is absolutely glorious.

who is calling for a recount?

i dont think any democrat has ever called for a recount of 2016

Yep. It was a GREEN party presidential candidate who, like Trump, is being cited as a Russia plant.

oh I see something like 4% of the Left represents the whole.

Kind of like how everyone on the right are clearly white supremacists because a small % are.

lol wut?

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#40  Edited By mecha_frieza
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@n64dd said:
@tryit said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@tryit said:

i dont think any democrat has ever called for a recount of 2016

Yep. It was a GREEN party presidential candidate who, like Trump, is being cited as a Russia plant.

oh I see something like 4% of the Left represents the whole.

Kind of like how everyone on the right are clearly white supremacists because a small % are.

lol wut?

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminism. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or differing beliefs.

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@mecha_frieza said:
@n64dd said:
@tryit said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@tryit said:

i dont think any democrat has ever called for a recount of 2016

Yep. It was a GREEN party presidential candidate who, like Trump, is being cited as a Russia plant.

oh I see something like 4% of the Left represents the whole.

Kind of like how everyone on the right are clearly white supremacists because a small % are.

lol wut?

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminist ideals. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or beliefs.

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

that is what this entire sub-subject has been about

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@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@n64dd said:
@tryit said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Yep. It was a GREEN party presidential candidate who, like Trump, is being cited as a Russia plant.

oh I see something like 4% of the Left represents the whole.

Kind of like how everyone on the right are clearly white supremacists because a small % are.

lol wut?

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminist ideals. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or beliefs.

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

that is what this entire sub-subject has been about

I mean, Jill Stein, the green party nut job who demanded the recount was backed by Hillary Clinton's campaign when she starting demanding for recounts in certain states, so again you are lying. I am starting to believe that you are either just a pathological liar or that you actually believe that your subjective feelings matter.

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@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@n64dd said:
@tryit said:

oh I see something like 4% of the Left represents the whole.

Kind of like how everyone on the right are clearly white supremacists because a small % are.

lol wut?

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminist ideals. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or beliefs.

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

that is what this entire sub-subject has been about

I mean, Jill Stein, the green party nut job who demanded the recount was backed by Hillary Clinton's campaign when she starting demanding for recounts in certain states, so again you are lying. I am starting to believe that you are either just a pathological liar or that you actually believe that your subjective feelings matter.

lets try that again because I said it about a billion times and it still gets missed

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

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@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@n64dd said:

lol wut?

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminist ideals. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or beliefs.

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

that is what this entire sub-subject has been about

I mean, Jill Stein, the green party nut job who demanded the recount was backed by Hillary Clinton's campaign when she starting demanding for recounts in certain states, so again you are lying. I am starting to believe that you are either just a pathological liar or that you actually believe that your subjective feelings matter.

lets try that again because I said it about a billion times and it still gets missed

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

Again, Jill Stein, the green party nominee was the person who asked for the recount and when she did, Hillary's campaign team backed her up. Keep living in the land of make believe.

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@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminist ideals. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or beliefs.

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

that is what this entire sub-subject has been about

I mean, Jill Stein, the green party nut job who demanded the recount was backed by Hillary Clinton's campaign when she starting demanding for recounts in certain states, so again you are lying. I am starting to believe that you are either just a pathological liar or that you actually believe that your subjective feelings matter.

lets try that again because I said it about a billion times and it still gets missed

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

Again, Jill Stein, the green party nominee was the person who asked for the recount and when she did, Hillary's campaign team backed her up. Keep living in the land of make believe.

Hillary team did NOT back her up best I ever was aware of.

can you provide me a link that I can not easily shoot down within 5 seconds?

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@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:

I mean, the green party is extremely far left and is bordering on radicalism, but the problem is that there are over 250K people within the green party and a lot of their shitty ideas have been trickling into the Democratic party. We saw this with Hillary who supports radical and backwards ideals like social justice and third-wave feminist ideals. Hillary and other liberals literally think that Trump's base is primarily comprised of white supremacist KKK sympathizers and this is not only a blanket statement, but it is not true. I do not think that everyone on the left is saying that Trump supporters are white supremacists, racists or neo nazis, but the problem is that I would say that a good majority of people on the left feel this way. CNN has been pushing the narrative ever since the presidential campaign that Trump and his supporters are racists, bigots or sexists and they have even made these allegations without zero evidence. There was a time when calling someone a racist without any evidence was actually considered a form of racism, but now that seems to be the norm on the left: let's call everyone racist without a shred of evidence whatsoever and this is simply appalling. People are literally confusing them being offended with what true racism or sexism is and thanks the left the lines are starting to get completely blurred on true racist and sexist behavior (apparently saying hi to a woman on the street is now considered sexual assault in their feeble minds). Leftist radical ideas are starting to become widely accepted views among liberals and 5 to 10 years ago these ideals would have been absolutely demonized and laughed out of the political sphere.

Sure we have radicals on the right with these racist and white supremacist assholes, but it is VERY important to note that these types of unacceptable behaviors have not been trickling down into the Republican party. However, on the left, it has been widely accepted that Trump is a bigot, a racist, a sexist and a xenophobe and that most of the people that support him are the same- Trump isn't any of those things and neither are the vast majority of conservatives who support him. If you honestly think these things are true then you are simply a mentally stunted individual because this is simply your truth, but not the actual truth. It is important to realize that there is no such thing as "your truth" because there is the truth and then your opinion. The fact that the left has been presenting their opinions and feelings as facts has been an absolute blight to democracy and it has become even more detrimental because now children are being taught that their feelings are the only thing that matters which is ridiculous; lets just throw out logic, science, reason, facts and moral values in favor of subjective feelings- makes perfect sense! I live walking distance from the UCSB campus and over the last few years I have been participating in several debates on campus and just because I am a conservative I have often been shut down and have been labeled as a racist, a sexist and a bigot. This is literally happening at universities all over the world and if we can't freely express our opinions then democracy is in serious trouble. I am not saying that leftism is bad, but these leftists who are pushing these radical ideas and who are shutting down debates are seriously damaging traditional liberal ideas. I will willingly debate any liberal, but we need to get away from this social justice, identity politics bullshit. As a conservative, I may not agree with your views, but I will defend to the death your right to express these views even though I may not agree with them. Martin Luther King Jr. envisioned a world where people were judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin and I too envision a world where people are also judged by the content of their character and moral values, not their political affiliations or beliefs.

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

that is what this entire sub-subject has been about

I mean, Jill Stein, the green party nut job who demanded the recount was backed by Hillary Clinton's campaign when she starting demanding for recounts in certain states, so again you are lying. I am starting to believe that you are either just a pathological liar or that you actually believe that your subjective feelings matter.

lets try that again because I said it about a billion times and it still gets missed

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

Again, Jill Stein, the green party nominee was the person who asked for the recount and when she did, Hillary's campaign team backed her up. Keep living in the land of make believe.

here is how its done

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/clinton-camp-will-join-push-for-wisconsin-ballot-recount.html

see? that could have been done in the first reply to my claim.

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@tryit said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@tryit said:

lets try that again because I said it about a billion times and it still gets missed

the democratic party never asked for a recount on the 2016 election.

Again, Jill Stein, the green party nominee was the person who asked for the recount and when she did, Hillary's campaign team backed her up. Keep living in the land of make believe.

here is how its done

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/clinton-camp-will-join-push-for-wisconsin-ballot-recount.html

see? that could have been done in the first reply to my claim.

And from that article it seems they took part more as a procedural thing, they explicitly state they don't think it will change any results. And they didn't initiate anything on their own