Trump says 'hopefully' states won't be allowed to count ballots after Election Day

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#1  Edited By Zaryia
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Trump says 'hopefully' states won't be allowed to count ballots after Election Day, which is a normal part of the electoral process

Why are they so scared of counting everyone's vote? People who in particular vote Democrat....

President Donald Trump on Wednesday suggested that courts should not allow states to count ballots after Election Day.

"Hopefully, the few states remaining that want to take a lot of time after November 3rd to count ballots, that won't be allowed by the various courts," Trump said at a press conference in Las Vegas.

But results are never finalized on election night and it's a normal part of the electoral process for ballots to be counted days or even weeks after voters go to the polls.

A record-breaking number of Americans are voting by mail due to the coronavirus pandemic, and mail-in, absentee, and provisional ballots take officials longer to process and count than in-person votes.

There are laws in every state that grant local officials days or even weeks — deadlines vary from state to state — to canvass and certify election results. States technically have until December 8, which is known as the "safe harbor" deadline, to fully certify results.

According to a New York Times report, only eight states expect to have at least 98% of unofficial results reported by midday on November 4.Trump, who is trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in the national polls, has baselessly claimed for months that mail-in voting will lead to widespread voter fraud. The president has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses, and his campaign is expected to issue legal challenges in key states if results are close.

Just try to be more popular instead of constantly trying to cheat?

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@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

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#4 Sevenizz
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Another fail propaganda thread by a paid bot.

This fool posts 2 of these a day and doesn’t play videogames.

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@Sevenizz said:

Another fail propaganda thread by a paid bot.

This fool posts 2 of these a day and doesn’t play videogames.

Why aren't you banned for spamming these crazy false ad-homs in every thread.

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#6 Sevenizz
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@zaryia: Interesting. Your kind call me a racist, homophobe, stupid, Russian bot, bla bla bla - no merit on any accusation on the daily and I need to be censored? And yes I do think you’re a paid bot. Highly edited and spam like behaviour in frequency. Amped up close to an election.

Proves my point. Disagree with the Left and you must be shut down.

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@Sevenizz said:

@zaryia: Interesting. Your kind call me a racist, homophobe, stupid, Russian bot, bla bla bla - no merit on any accusation on the daily and I need to be censored? And yes I do think you’re a paid bot. Highly edited and spam like behaviour in frequency. Amped up close to an election.

Proves my point. Disagree with the Left and you must be shut down.

Back on topic: Why don't you want to count all the legitimate votes?

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@Sevenizz: So you think it's fine for Trump to try to delegitimize the election process by spreading lies about postal votes and post-election day ballot counts?

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#9  Edited By Sevenizz
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@Planeforger: @zaryia: Simple, source is New York Times. They’re fake news. I also don’t read paid bot poster’s threads.

Also, mass ballots have turned into a joke.

https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0

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@Sevenizz said:

@Planeforger: @zaryia: Simple, source is New York Times. They’re fake news. I also don’t read paid bot poster’s threads.

Also, mass ballots have turned into a joke.

https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0

Haha! So let's use your metrics on this one:

  • You don't believe the New York Times, which is a somewhat left-leaning media source with 'high' factual reporting
  • You do believe Project Veritas, which is an extremely right leaning media source with 'mixed' factual reporting
  • You've also echoed Trump's anti-intellectual buzzword 'fake news'

Wow. Okay.

Humour us though - if Trump did actually say votes should not be counted after election day, would you agree with him?

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@Planeforger: There’s been months to cast and count ballots. Election Day is no secret. If you can’t make a deadline - they don’t qualify. Show up to a polling center the next day and let me know if they allow you to vote.

And yes, I don’t trust the New York Times and I do trust Project Veritas.

Besides - I thought you guys said the USPS was capable of handling ballots for the election? Y’all suddenly became experts on the topic.

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#12  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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Nobody ever accused Trump of being patient. But no, hopefully justice will be carried out even if it isn't always convenient.

@Sevenizz: Except some state laws forbid counting before election day

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Yeah, we know. This is an undemocratic party.

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#14 Sevenizz
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@girlusocrazy: So count them the day of like they do with in person ballots?

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SCOTUS says they can. The Democrats just got those victories in North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Why is this a problem now?

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SCOTUS says they can. The Democrats just got those victories in North Carolina and Pennsylvania. Why is this a problem now?

Because the SC did not have ACB at that time, now they can change the rules. After all, it was the reason why Trump was so desperate to put her on the SC before the election.

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@zaryia said:
@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

Says the party who wants to end the EC, pack the courts, censor political speech online, pack sanctuary cities prior to the census, and make DC into a state so they can get a couple more senators. Popular parties do not need to do all of that to gain and maintain power, do they?

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#18  Edited By super600  Moderator
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What will happen on E-Day is most states should have enough data to declare a winner which will likely be biden at this point. So we will know if trump lost reelection within 5 hours of the polls closing at best. In theory what trump's suggesting might hurt some of the states still counting a significant amount ballots after election day like California and possibly some of the swing states, but in terms of the actual result I don't think it will matter much. I do expect him to change his mind when biden is crushing him in the EC and PV a few hours after the polls close.

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The states could just count the votes by date, so the priority would be to early voting and mail in ballots instead of in person election day ones.

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@rmpumper: With no dissents? She wouldn’t have mattered.

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@Sevenizz said:

@Planeforger: @zaryia: Simple, source is New York Times. They’re fake news. I also don’t read paid bot poster’s threads.

Also, mass ballots have turned into a joke.

https://youtu.be/mgPJyEfG0C0

Wow, your complaints about people not taking your PV links seriously in your other thread aged like milk

Keep in mind, New York Times is a WIDELY accredited and respected outlet for journalism. Project Veritas is generally treated as a joke.

Wake me up when Project Veritas wins any awards for outstanding journalism.

https://www.nytco.com/company/prizes-awards/

Edit: And while I am at it: https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_Veritas

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@Sevenizz: Project Veritas = invalid opinion. Try a legit source.

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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

Says the party who wants to end the EC, pack the courts, censor political speech online, pack sanctuary cities prior to the census, and make DC into a state so they can get a couple more senators. Popular parties do not need to do all of that to gain and maintain power, do they?

Not gonna go into the rest, but why the frick should DC NOT have Statehood? How is it fair for people living in DC (whom have a population bigger than some US states) to be robbed of representation, while still serving in wars and being taxed?

Wasnt one of the big mantras "Taxation without representation"? That is quite literally what the US is doing right now. And for the record, that also goes for the US territories, either grant them independence or make them a state.

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@Maroxad: DC shouldn’t be a state because he doesn’t want Democrats to get more seats. If they voted red he would be for it.

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DC was established to never be a state by the founding fathers.

@zaryia said:
@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

I can name two elections where the Republican had won the elections and mysteriously votes were found in a warehouse or a trunk of a car that changed the outcome of the election.

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@zaryia said:
@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

The Republican party is more popular than the Democrat Party. There are thirty minorities running for congressional office all as Republicans.

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@JimB said:

DC was established to never be a state by the founding fathers.

@zaryia said:
@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

I can name two elections where the Republican had won the elections and mysteriously votes were found in a warehouse or a trunk of a car that changed the outcome of the election.

The country was also established to allow for slavery by the founding fathers...

...and allowed their constitution to be amended so future generations could correct their mistakes.

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#28  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@JimB: Name the elections, and you really think the Republicans are more popular? Hahaha! Just because some minorities run means nothing. Democrats are the largest party in America and more minorities support them. Facts!

And don’t lie about who is running.

Lucy mcbath - Democrat

Phyliss Harvey hall - Democrat

Adia Winfrey - Democrat

Terri sewell - Democrat

That’s for the house and there is more than 30 more all as Democrats. Can’t list them all from my phone, but I will when I am on my pc!

I will post the black Democrats running for senate to, force you to tell the truth!

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@Sevenizz: @JimB:

Why don't you both attack the source and refute the claims instead of attacking the poster? Or are you both in denial?

@Maroxad said:
@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@JimB said:

I saw Biden campaign signs in the cemetery, might take a while to count them.

Yawn. I know you know your party is less popular and that Trump has to do ludicrous stuff like this.....but at least TRY to defend it.

Not even sure if there is a defense.

Says the party who wants to end the EC, pack the courts, censor political speech online, pack sanctuary cities prior to the census, and make DC into a state so they can get a couple more senators. Popular parties do not need to do all of that to gain and maintain power, do they?

Not gonna go into the rest, but why the frick should DC NOT have Statehood? How is it fair for people living in DC (whom have a population bigger than some US states) to be robbed of representation, while still serving in wars and being taxed?

Wasnt one of the big mantras "Taxation without representation"? That is quite literally what the US is doing right now. And for the record, that also goes for the US territories, either grant them independence or make them a state.

Republicans are patriotic constitutionalists until it's an inconvenience to them.

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@Maroxad: https://youtu.be/m_dyyuCycRw

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@Sevenizz said:

@Maroxad: https://youtu.be/m_dyyuCycRw

Why do you back up one disreputable source with another? RT is a known propaganda outlet.

And that video does not undermine the credibility of NYT, only that YouTube favors NYT. It is pretty well known that the YouTube algorithms, and hte site itself favors Mainstream Media. There are many reasons for this, including that it is far more marketing and advertiser friendly.

Once again,

Wake me up when Project Veritas wins any awards for outstanding journalism.

Now that I wasted my time with that rubbish video, why don't you go and do the same and read the NYT that the TC linked as opposed to just trolling?

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Voting varies by state law. The federal government should not interfere in that.

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@thegreatchomp said:

@JimB: Name the elections, and you really think the Republicans are more popular? Hahaha! Just because some minorities run means nothing. Democrats are the largest party in America and more minorities support them. Facts!

And don’t lie about who is running.

Lucy mcbath - Democrat

Phyliss Harvey hall - Democrat

Adia Winfrey - Democrat

Terri sewell - Democrat

That’s for the house and there is more than 30 more all as Democrats. Can’t list them all from my phone, but I will when I am on my pc!

I will post the black Democrats running for senate to, force you to tell the truth!

The Black community has finally seen through the Democrat party that is all talk an no action when it came to improving their lives.

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@JimB said:

The Black community has finally seen through the Democrat party that is all talk an no action when it came to improving their lives.

Kind of hard to decipher that when the Republican senate blocks everything.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

The Black community has finally seen through the Democrat party that is all talk an no action when it came to improving their lives.

Kind of hard to decipher that when the Republican senate blocks everything.

The Democrats controlled the House and Senate for decades and did nothing to help the black community. Obama a Black president did not help them, Trump did and they will show it on election day.

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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

The Black community has finally seen through the Democrat party that is all talk an no action when it came to improving their lives.

Kind of hard to decipher that when the Republican senate blocks everything.

The Democrats controlled the House and Senate for decades and did nothing to help the black community. Obama a Black president did not help them, Trump did and they will show it on election day.

Nothing? $1.2 billion for Black farmers, expanded funding for HBCUs to $850 million over 10 years, ACA, created a civil rights division of the Justice Department, cut the Black unemployment rate in half, EITC and CTC, increased maximum Pell Grant, job training and employment programs, $170 million for Ready to work awarded by Department of Labor, Transportation Bill, cut mortgage premiums, retirement savings program, expanded access to paid leave, increased the minimum wage, CFPB, broadband access to low income housing, expanded overtime protections. All of these programs helped the Black community.

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@JimB: Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.

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@Sevenizz said:

@Planeforger: @zaryia: Simple, source is New York Times. They’re fake news.

Please show which quote is fake and prove it.

According to a New York Times report, only eight states expect to have at least 98% of unofficial results reported by midday on November 4.Trump, who is trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in the national polls, has baselessly claimed for months that mail-in voting will lead to widespread voter fraud. The president has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses, and his campaign is expected to issue legal challenges in key states if results are close.

You don't want those legitimate votes counted because it hurts his chances. That's literally it. That's all it is.

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Explainer: Red mirage, blue mirage - Beware of early U.S. election wins

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-mirage-explainer/explainer-red-mirage-blue-mirage-beware-of-early-u-s-election-wins-idUSKBN2771CL

Don’t be fooled, voting experts and academics say. Early vote counts in the most competitive, battleground states can be particularly misleading this election because of the surge in mail-in or absentee ballots, and the different ways that they are processed.

The states that count mail-in votes before Election Day are likely to give Biden an early lead, since opinion polls and early voting data suggest those ballots favor the Democrat. Conversely, the states that do not tally mail-in votes until Nov. 3 will likely swing initially for Trump.

These so-called red or blue mirages will disappear as more ballots are counted, though experts say it may take days or even weeks to process the huge number of mail-in ballots, spurred by voters seeking to avoid crowded polling stations because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Be patient,” said Gerry Cohen, a member of the Wake County Board of Elections in North Carolina. “You need to count all of the votes, and that’s going to take some time.”

Scary stuff.

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Those votes are still part of the result.

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Trump is so going to try to steal this election. lmao

At least from an outsider's perspective will be a few more years of comedy.

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WTF

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@mattbbpl said:

WTF

They're in full panic mode.

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#44  Edited By Maroxad
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@ghost_of_phobos said:

Trump is so going to try to steal this election. lmao

At least from an outsider's perspective will be a few more years of comedy.

Tragedy actually.

Trump's win emboldened the worst over here. Biden winning could demoralize them, just like Marcon's win did.

Not to mention, you americans deserve competent leadership.

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The first thing democrats should do IF THEY WIN is put forth a voting rights bill that ensures certain voting privileges' and rights at the federal level. This election has shown us that we have a political party actively working to keep people from voting. It's disgusting and scary in it's own right.

- Expand absentee voting
- Expand mail in voting
- Expand polling places based on regional population
- Automatic registration
- Same day registration
- Counting of all ballots post marked by election day
- Make election days national holidays (replace with Columbus day if people b*tch about paid holidays)
- Federal standards on voter roll purges

We should encourage public participation of voting, not limit it. This scares the GOP as they know it will hurt them. Any argument to voter fraud on their end is simply a farce.

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#46  Edited By lamprey263
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Republicans have relied on voter suppression s long as I can remember, this is just them shamelessly doing it because they need to for keeping power, and because nobody is stopping them.

Texas Supreme Court just ruled that Texas can limit ballot drop boxes to one per county. Clearly only one reason to do this.

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#47 Shmiity
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If your ballot is postmarked by election day it should count. Period. Suppressing the vote and throwing out ballots is purely undemocratic and breaks down people's faith in the vote.

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#48 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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We definitely need a new term to describe election day, especially since over 60 million votes have already been cast. With ample time to cast votes, there's no cause to accept votes after the election.

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#49  Edited By tenaka2
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

We definitely need a new term to describe election day, especially since over 60 million votes have already been cast. With ample time to cast votes, there's no cause to accept votes after the election.

I think this is more about people voting before election day but the post office not having the staff to process them.

Do you think that if people vote before election day their votes should not count because a party sabotages the US mail?

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#50 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

We definitely need a new term to describe election day, especially since over 60 million votes have already been cast. With ample time to cast votes, there's no cause to accept votes after the election.

Nothing I've seen says votes are accepted if they are postmarked beyond election day.