Trump Putin Love Affair

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-putin-meeting-raises-red-flags-national-security-experts-n784601

And his inexperience shows again.

Trump says it's fake news.

He says that above everything. Do you still trust him? He's also already given intel to the Russians.

No, I don't trust him. He's been close with the Russians even prior to the election.

Yeah...and with family members and his campaign managers having meetings with Russians there is no way in hell I don't believe he knew about. He's hands on. Not sure if that can be proven though but if anyone believes he was clueless then they are clueless.

Probably promised Putin Alaska or something.

Got to admire your attempt and the media´s complete lack of any journalistic ethics just report from whatever random joe's is saying.

@Jacanuk: Stop blaming everyone else for what Trump is doing.............

But what is he doing? it´s a speculative article on what could/might have happened.

Until you have actual proof , stop attempting to pass something as facts when its just a speculation.

Trump could also have laid down and let Putin walk all over him as a carpet, but it does not mean it actually happened.

He has been quite consistent with his ties to Russia. We have high members of his campaign and his family taking meetings.......I don't for one second believe he wasn't told this. Right about that time he was bragging he was going to have information on Clinton. Also.........he already gave out classified information to the Russians. This is troubling....well at least for those left in the country that care about the country and not some unqualified orange snowflake that had campaign slogans he didn't have to actually have plans for.

Again that does not mean anything as to whether or not he did the same at the G20. Your article is pure speculative and trying to force the same narrative as you are. Trump is bad and is Russia's puppet.

But unfortunately there is no proof, show me the proof that he actually did anything in that article and we can take it from there, otherwise it's just unreasonable conjecture based on hate and no reason.

And yet my post is what he HAS done. Not speculation.

And yet your post is not what this thread is about. The article is not a summation, it´s again speculation on what could have happened in a theoretical situation.

So what about waiting until there is actual proof? prior things does not constitute guilty.

You live in denial. Trump has been making a joke out of everything and you still think he plays by the rules. It's not speculation that is campaign/administration is in bed with Russia. Period.

No i live in a world where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, You know the cornerstone of our freeworld.

I don´t judge on speculation.

And Trump , well ill chalk some of it down to him being a first time politician.

And yet again he's already done everything I've listed.

Anybody that grew up in NYC knew long before the apprentice that he is liar. I accepted long ago most politicians are, but this guy isn't even good at it.

Just think about his statement about if Mueller starts looking into his businesses, that would be a red line. He is supposed to have nothing to do with private businesses now that he is a public servant so he has no rule of law right to prevent it. How many things must happen before people realize there is a serious problem?

A Russian lawyer with Russian children adoption issues. Russian lawyer bait and switch Trump Jr.

I think Trump's concern about Mueller looking into his businesses is that the truth will come to light that Trump's finances aren't nearly what he claims them to be. For someone like Trump, whose whole image is predicated upon presenting an image of immense success, that'd be the ultimate form of humiliation for a narcissist and arrogant egomaniac like him.

Hell, he could be completely innocent of any collusion or anything Russia related aside from poor judgement due to naivete, and have the truth about his finances being the real reason why he's been trying to preclude this investigation. I think that's a possibility.

it's always good that donnie has his true believers that would rather believe him than what they see and hear as real. Even Jr said it wasn't about adoption but keep drinking the orange kool aid.

Except he has his lawyers looking into pardons....including for himself.

Define real. Who do you believe? Jr is a first party source while the others are 3rd party source.

Per your first party source.....the meeting was about getting dirt on Clinton. There is NO dispute on that. Either you willfully ignore the truth or you have your head buried in the sand.

@LJS9502_basic: true true. Guy's guilty as sin.

I'll grant it as a possibility but the naivete excuse doesn't wash with me. This is a 71 year old man that had access to top notch education. I know what is kosher with a public school, community college education for God's sake.

Its funny isn't it? The way the narrative changes? During the campaign he was credited with being intelligent businessman who can make deals and outmaneuver these politicians. Now when in office his lack of experience and knowledge makes him innocent of wrong doing? LMAO He's a fvckin joke and a disgrace to the office and people struggle to accept it.

Trump apologists make my head hurt. I feel like Trump, his family, and his supporters are the national parasites of the country.

Don Jr. changed his story 3 times on this matter and is no longer a reliable source on this matter. The only objective source we now have are the E-mails, which show the meeting was not taken due to Russian children adoption.

Furthermore, Russian children adoption issues refers to loosening Russian sanctions. http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/politics/russian-adoptions-magnitsky-act/index.html

I think Trump genuinely believed he could govern as he's traditionally ran his businesses. People will do his bidding, and if they didn't, he'd fire them. I'm not saying he's naive in the general sense of the word, only politically so, which I think he very much is. These past 6 months have been one hell of a roller coaster ride of an education for him.

Aside, education holds no bearing on intelligence or prudence.

One hour alone with Putin... I understand the worries.

On one hand, it seems increasingly unlikely that Trump and Russians did not interfere, the other part of me thinks that the leaked Hillary Clinton Emails should be public knowledge anyways.

Exposing a politician for lying is a good thing. And I am glad Hillary's "public and private policy positions", "atheist shaming bernie sanders" and "rigging primaries by suppressing Bernie Voters, and hiding debates" bullshit got exposed.

The whole point is that there shouldn't be any excuse to speculate; Trump should be covering his ass, not leaving himself open to attack, from anyone. At home by the media and his detractors, abroad by his allies and opponents, or by our enemies.

By breaking with protocol you invite this speculation. In short, Trump asks for this. There are reasons why rules, both formal and informal, legal and about etiquette and manners, exists in the political world. It's not just for appearances, for political correctness, and so forth.

It's a game, and you have to play; you can't just start playing then make up your own rules while the rest of the world continues playing on with the old rules, you're going to lose.

TL;DR: if Trump had half the brain and sense he says he does, he would have had an adviser, his own translator, etc present so that there would be no doubt about what was said and so forth. But instead, he broke with protocol and now he shit the bed. Now he has to sleep in it.

There is no dispute that the Clinton campaign and the DNC conspired with the Ukrainians to defeat Trump. After the election the Ukrainians came to Trump on saying they were sorry and wanted to be forgiven.

.Move on. The Clinton's are private citizens. Trump is the president. If you don't know the difference then perhaps another board would suit you better.

He has not used his political office to make money from the Russians as Hillary did with the Uranium One Deal. He did not go to Russia with a Red Reset Button like Hillary. He did not say on an open mike tell Vlad I will have more flexibility after the election as Obama did. All you have is speculation on how things are. Trump has always said he would like better relations with Russia if ti was possible if not so be it.

Bull shit. He has investments in Russia. Also he has meetings with foreign officials IN HIS HOLDINGS....making money from it. Don't bother lying to me. I pay attention to what is going on. Hell this administration is like a train wreck....you CAN'T look away.

Investments are one thing using a political office is another thing. Every thing I posted is also the truth. What investments does he have in Russia. Golf courses, hotels?

He's using the highest political office in the country to fill his coffers.

It must be fun sitting in the tent with the tin foil on, telling stories with a flash light to your stuffed animals.

The post you just replied to is fact. The administration doesn't even deny it, they simply stand by the assertion that it isn't illegal.

The evil that men do live after them.

All love is beautiful

He dangles that carrot in front of his base because he knows they are easily distracted from the evil he does.

This is a lie lol, stop posting garbage on these forums.

JimB refuses to even cite anything from an external source. He can't even divulge where he gets his information from.

He can barely string together words into sentences. Citing sources may be above his level of education.

While I hate to admit that I gotta agree with Jacanuk with innocent until proven guilty part. We can't assume Trump was feeding Russians with our Intel without evidence to support this. Until then, this is all smokescreen here and no, I'm not siding with Trump, I'm only saying don't accuse people without something to back up your claims.

Trump was already confirmed to have given sensitive classified intelligence to the Russians. You can agree...but you're both wrong.

Trump confirmed to have given some information , which he has president has every right in doing. So your problem is? have you actually heard what the intel was?

No no he doesn't have the right to give intelligence out to foreign governments.