Trump orders national guard to Mexican border.

really? I was not aware of the fine line between invaders that need a military to stop them from invading and it technically not being a ware because you are successful in stopping them.

but ok fair enough whatever you want to call it I am less concerned with semantics

You're not arguing within reality. When you get questioned, you dodge out.

no I am serious, take what I said and replace the word 'war' with a different label that accuracy describes what it is and my point still stands the same.

You were talking about war, stop back peddling.

let me help a bit

some think its easier to have a [what word is appropriate here?] then it is to tighen up security around social security cards.

whatever you want to call it, its likely going to not change my point 'miltiary exercise'? same point 'military situation'? same point 'situation'? same point 'altercation'? same point

What the hell are you talking about?

when our country has wars there is often debates over what to call it 'oh its not a war its an 'engagement'' or whatever.

the point is not in the label, the point is in the illustration of force regardless of what you call it.

so here let me revise what I said.

'some think its easier to have a strong show of military force then it is to tighen up security around social security cards.'

is that better?

This is the dumbest conversation I've been in, and you've seen my threads.

Lets replace other words while we're at it. That way it's not a debate or conversation and anything can mean anything.

then I guess we are done.

fair enough, better then usual disagreements lately though.

here are the top reasons people say immigrants come here

1. to sell drugs

2. to take advantage our welfare

3. to work

remove the loop holes in welfare, have strong punishment against employers who hire illegals, make the process of proving you are legal for employment more clear, either legalize drugs here or remove the desire to want to buy them thru various social programs

Thus people will not come here.

easier than a wall

We were done when you took a conversation, changed it's meaning, and said words don't mean anything.

Why do we not want these immigrants to come here? Without them, we would have a fairly significant labor shortage, especially in the agriculture sector. Apparently republicans are in favor of less regulation, unless that lack of regulation might end up benefiting poor Hispanic people.

Wall + roaming A-10s + National Guard to shore up Boarder Patrol on the ground.

Nobody has a problem with immigrants. We have a problem with illegal immigration.

This doesn't have to do with compassion. The OP referred them as "invaders" as if they were a military force set to invade our lands, which is why he deserves to be mocked for his stupidity.

The caravan is literally just a bunch of starving men, women, and children who want to get out of Honduras. That's not me being compassionate, that's reality of their situation. They're not invaders.

Why do we not want these immigrants to come here? Without them, we would have a fairly significant labor shortage, especially in the agriculture sector. Apparently republicans are in favor of less regulation, unless that lack of regulation might end up benefiting poor Hispanic people.

You can't remove the desire to come here.

I get what you're saying, but I'm confused on what you're actually proposing.

Sorry to butt in so late on this.

To work somewhere. Don't you have to provide bank details to your employer for them to be able to pay you? A bank account you can't get without having a social security number??

Could also connect any kind of benefits to only be given to those who got a social security number.. Aren't you guys doing this already?

Your employer could just give you a check. If they know you are illegal, they might just pay you cash.

Ah. To be honest, I haven't seen a check as long as I have lived. My country stopped using them decades ago. At least widely used. As for being paid cash. I don't know if it is illegal, but good luck passing a credit check. Also if you wish to deposit the money yourself to your account, you will at least garner the interest of the banks own whitewashing unit and quite possible the police as well. Put it short: Cash isn't king anymore here.

Unfortunately, we don't admit enough immigrants legally each year to meet our labor demands.

i'm with you, but there are health issues as well.

Is there a reason they can not lay a foundation in Mexico?

when did that new meme start?

the 'we have to keep them out because of illnesses' meme?

I havent heard of that one until today

Go on the CDC site and read about all the shots you need to get that they don't have down there. Read about Zika and how widespread it is down there, and the effects it can have on pregnant women. I have friends that are doctors and nurses in Detroit that have to deal with this shit.

Just because you're not aware of it, doesn't mean it's a meme.

Go on the CDC site and read about all the shots you need to get that they don't have down there. Read about Zika and how widespread it is down there, and the effects it can have on pregnant women. I have friends that are doctors and nurses in Detroit that have to deal with this shit.

Just because you're not aware of it, doesn't mean it's a meme.

It's not ideal, but if you are undocumented, you have to make the most of the options available to you. Cash would be the best by far because if you receive a paycheck, you would be taxed with no way of getting a refund and no way of ever benefiting from the social security/medicare you would be charged. You would also need to actually have a bank account (can be difficult to come by as an illegal) to either deposit or cash your paycheck without being raped by fees. You would probably need to find an employer who is fully aware that you are working illegally for them to actually agree to pay you under the table with cash, though. I think most of the people who get paid cash probably work odd seasonal jobs. I'm not sure how well it would work long-term.

Illegal here and you can't get a bank account. As for cash... Not the safest method for either party really.

Zika comes from mosquitoes and has hit some of the states.

Yes sir. Look at the outbreak map in Mexico though.

again..

what inspired you to look at the outbreak maps in mexico to have that knowledge.

people dont just wake up one morning randomly and say 'gee I wonder if immigrants are coming here with illnesses'

so where did you hear about this? why havent we heard this talking point until lately?

I travel internationally a lot for work. My company which is one of the larger car companies was told it was not safe to send people to Mexico for a month. I have to keep track of CDC to know if I can travel to a site or not.

so this is something you have known for a good amount time now.

right?

Yup.

so why are you just bringing it up now?

the debate of immigrants has been around for years. why are we having this conversation about disease just now?

I havent been able to find a good answer on the internet, it appears its been a subject for several years but for some reason I have only heard about it now, from you guys

I have before.

Yes sir. Look at the outbreak map in Mexico though.

@tryit A week ago at Henry Ford hospitals in Detroit from people working there, treating people. Tuberculosis is coming back through Central America. They don't have vaccines for a lot of stuff down there, hence why you need a lot of shots and are not supposed to drink the water when you're in Mexico.

We need a wall to keep the Mexican mosquitoes out, apparently.

Nah, we need a wall to keep out those illegals who do not give a shit about law and order.

Nah, we need a wall to keep out those illegals who do not give a shit about law and order.

We need a wall to keep the Mexican mosquitoes out, apparently.

They don't seem to be causing any problems, really.

That is a matter of opinions.

But they are breaking the law by simply being here and that is enough.

Americans break laws all the time too. And I'm not talking criminals. Watch how people drive.

They are not breaking a law by just being here. I know there are some that are not legal, aren't here illegally. I'm talking in general.