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#1  Edited By mattbbpl
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Impeachment articles will reportedly be brought forth tomorrow:

Apparently they've been trying to give enough time for the cabinet to invoke the 25th or for Trump to choose to resign:

It seems both of those options have been dismissed after a 48 hour period when one or the other seemed possible.

What are your thoughts? Good? Bad? Unnecessary?

Edit: He has now been officially impeached by a vote of 232-197. Note that this does not mean he's been removed, as that requires further action by the Senate.

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#2 LJS9502_basic
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He needs to be impeached and removed. It sends a clearly needed message that democracy is important. And they need to go after those in congress that allowed this.

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#3  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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A strong rebuke us needed and this seems like the appropriate proposition for someone so powerful and influential who is damaging our democracy. There's no question.

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#4 SheevPalpamemes
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Witch Hunt.

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#5  Edited By blaznwiipspman1
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lol, what a dumb move by pelosi, a waste of time. Trump will be leaving in a week, so where exactly will the impeachment go? Nowhere.

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#6 LJS9502_basic
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

lol, what a dumb move by pelosi, a waste of time. Trump will be leaving in a week, so where exactly will the impeachment go? Nowhere.

He can be barred from holding federal office.

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@blaznwiipspman1: The other move is just shaking your heads and doing nothing, that's not the adequate level of response to a terrorist act fomented by the president.

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Trump has certainly committed impeachable offenses. I believe he should be held accountable, even though I have no doubt it will fail. There simply needs to be accountability, which Trump has had barely none of the past four years. Doing nothing and staying silent would only encourage this behavior for any future executive. I hope they continue to hunt down everything he's done from here on out.

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Instead of trying to unite the country the left just wants to keep us divided. Sad to see. Canceling Mr. Trump and rigging an election wasn't enough for them. No one in good conscious can continue to support the fascist left. All they care about is ruining the lives of everyone who doesn't bow down to them.

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#10 LJS9502_basic
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Instead of trying to unite the country the left just wants to keep us divided. Sad to see. Canceling Mr. Trump and rigging an election wasn't enough for them. No one in good conscious can continue to support the fascist left. All they care about is ruining the lives of everyone who doesn't bow down to them.

You cannot unite without accountability. No election was rigged but if you're going down that rabbit hole I don't think we can help you here. Your mind is made up. I will suggest you find some sites that aren't far right though and do some research yourself. It might help.

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#11  Edited By mattbbpl
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Instead of trying to unite the country the left just wants to keep us divided. Sad to see. Canceling Mr. Trump and rigging an election wasn't enough for them. No one in good conscious can continue to support the fascist left. All they care about is ruining the lives of everyone who doesn't bow down to them.

This is a joke, right? We just had an attempted violent insurrection, and your response is, "the left needs to learn to unite?"

I'm convinced this needs to happen for the precedent alone.

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#12 YesSir
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@NathanDrakeSwag: This is a joke? Right? You don’t actually believe that.....

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Instead of trying to unite the country the left just wants to keep us divided. Sad to see. Canceling Mr. Trump and rigging an election wasn't enough for them. No one in good conscious can continue to support the fascist left. All they care about is ruining the lives of everyone who doesn't bow down to them.

something something law and order.

no?

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#14  Edited By MirkoS77
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@LJS9502_basic: “He needs to be impeached and removed. It sends a clearly needed message that democracy is important. And they need to go after those in congress that allowed this“.

100%, amen. 👍🏼

While I don’t think this will really amount to much, symbolically it is of paramount importance in sending a damning message in defense of democracy. Ukraine I was somewhat on board with, but what Trump has done here is beyond the pale in terms of breaking his oath of office and being a direct enemy of what he swore to uphold and protect. Even though the Republi-cowards STILL won’t convict nor enact the 25th (even after all this), it’s the necessary step and one that I don’t view as partisan-driven but holds the full weight of Constitutional legitimacy and full warrant behind it. Impeachment at this juncture, despite the actual outcome, is a democratic imperative. Trump will go down in disgrace as the first twice impeached President.

And once he’s out, I want to see him gone after with a vengeance. How dare he. Toss the fucking book at him, full bore. His sycophantic delusional cult will whine and scream victimization in their perpetual persecution complex to the heavens, such the poor little victims they are, upset they can’t have their dear fascist leader inciting the mobs towards undemocratic, seditious ends by spewing falsehoods left and right (“wahhh....big tech censorship!!!“ 🙄), but that is another issue for another time.

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#15 Drunk_PI
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Don't excuse lawlessness. Enforce it.

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

lol, what a dumb move by pelosi, a waste of time. Trump will be leaving in a week, so where exactly will the impeachment go? Nowhere.

There is such a thing as accountability, regardless of the time. If it doesn't go anywhere, it's because criminals, i.e. the GOP don't want to hold anyone accountable for treason.

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@drunk_pi said:

Don't excuse lawlessness. Enforce it.

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

lol, what a dumb move by pelosi, a waste of time. Trump will be leaving in a week, so where exactly will the impeachment go? Nowhere.

There is such a thing as accountability, regardless of the time. If it doesn't go anywhere, it's because criminals, i.e. the GOP don't want to hold anyone accountable for treason.

After impeachment they can ban Trump from running in 2024. In fact it could be in the best interest of Republicans. I'm quite sure Republicans won't allow Trump to run for them in 24, but there's a possibility that Trump could run as an independent which would fracture Republican base.

Trump has mentioned few times that he may try again in 24.

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@mattbbpl: It’s the world government’s way of showing just how wasteful and dictatorial they are. The sheeple love this sort of thing.

Have fun paying more taxes!

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

Trump has certainly committed impeachable offenses. I believe he should be held accountable, even though I have no doubt it will fail. There simply needs to be accountability, which Trump has had barely none of the past four years. Doing nothing and staying silent would only encourage this behavior for any future executive. I hope they continue to hunt down everything he's done from here on out.

But I was told he learned so much from last time!" /s

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@sheevpalpamemes said:

Witch Hunt.

lol

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@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Trump has certainly committed impeachable offenses. I believe he should be held accountable, even though I have no doubt it will fail. There simply needs to be accountability, which Trump has had barely none of the past four years. Doing nothing and staying silent would only encourage this behavior for any future executive. I hope they continue to hunt down everything he's done from here on out.

But I was told he learned so much from last time!" /s

He's sure to get a furrowed brow from Collins this time!

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@mattbbpl said:
@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Trump has certainly committed impeachable offenses. I believe he should be held accountable, even though I have no doubt it will fail. There simply needs to be accountability, which Trump has had barely none of the past four years. Doing nothing and staying silent would only encourage this behavior for any future executive. I hope they continue to hunt down everything he's done from here on out.

But I was told he learned so much from last time!" /s

He's sure to get a furrowed brow from Collins this time!

Come on Roy Blount says he's learned his lesson.

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#22 SheevPalpamemes
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Did Trump actually incite violence, or just his words? HUGE DIFFERENCE.

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#23  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@sheevpalpamemes said:

Did Trump actually incite violence, or just his words? HUGE DIFFERENCE.

El oh el. This is the funniest comedy today. You know the meaning of inciting violence is with words. Hahahaha

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#24 SheevPalpamemes
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sheevpalpamemes said:

Did Trump actually incite violence, or just his words? HUGE DIFFERENCE.

El oh el. This is the funniest comedy today. You know the meaning of inciting violence is with words. Hahahaha

One mans trash, is another man's treasure. He spoke in metaphors

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@sheevpalpamemes said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sheevpalpamemes said:

Did Trump actually incite violence, or just his words? HUGE DIFFERENCE.

El oh el. This is the funniest comedy today. You know the meaning of inciting violence is with words. Hahahaha

One mans trash, is another man's treasure. He spoke in metaphors

Well yeah trump and the GOP are trash with very few exceptions.

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#26 SheevPalpamemes
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sheevpalpamemes said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sheevpalpamemes said:

Did Trump actually incite violence, or just his words? HUGE DIFFERENCE.

El oh el. This is the funniest comedy today. You know the meaning of inciting violence is with words. Hahahaha

One mans trash, is another man's treasure. He spoke in metaphors

Well yeah trump and the GOP are trash with very few exceptions.

Please don't put words in my mouth, I would never do the same to you. In all fairness, it's the left's fault. They're the ones who let china hack the voting machines and force trump to speak in metaphors so anifta could organize and commit seppuku in washington.

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@sheevpalpamemes said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sheevpalpamemes said:

One mans trash, is another man's treasure. He spoke in metaphors

Well yeah trump and the GOP are trash with very few exceptions.

Please don't put words in my mouth, I would never do the same to you. In all fairness, it's the left's fault. They're the ones who let china hack the voting machines and force trump to speak in metaphors so anifta could organize and commit seppuku in washington.

Trolling isn't cool dude.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mattbbpl said:
@horgen said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Trump has certainly committed impeachable offenses. I believe he should be held accountable, even though I have no doubt it will fail. There simply needs to be accountability, which Trump has had barely none of the past four years. Doing nothing and staying silent would only encourage this behavior for any future executive. I hope they continue to hunt down everything he's done from here on out.

But I was told he learned so much from last time!" /s

He's sure to get a furrowed brow from Collins this time!

Come on Roy Blount says he's learned his lesson.

And who are we to disagree?

Make US a dictatorship with our blessing, because we will not hold our own accountable.

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#29 Solaryellow
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Democrats acting like typical whiny children yet again? Hardly shocking.

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#30 mrbojangles25
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Would someone tell me what the point is of impeaching a president when he is literally days away from leaving office anyway.

Genuine question, not trying to be facetious.

Can he serve jail time? Or is this more to get him out of office ASAP before he screws anything else up or gets more people killed?

@LJS9502_basic said:

He needs to be impeached and removed. It sends a clearly needed message that democracy is important. And they need to go after those in congress that allowed this.

Can you impeach congressmen and senators?

@Solaryellow said:

Democrats acting like typical whiny children yet again? Hardly shocking.

I would say impeaching a president directly responsible for an attempted coup of our democracy is the action of a responsible, intelligent adult....not a whiny child.

With that said, we could definitely use some younger folks in political office, so if it has to be "whiny children" well so be it, better than "senile and apathetic Cold War relics" doing nothing.

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#31  Edited By comp_atkins
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@mrbojangles25: i think if convicted he'd be barred from holding federal office again. that and he'd lose a bunch of ex-president perks like security detail, pension, etc.... ( which he can afford on his own anyway )

imo it's also the symbolism of it. last week's attack was a BIG fucking deal and to allow that to go on with no consequences sets bad precedent.

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@mrbojangles25: For me, the biggest reason is precedent. We keep letting corruption slide in various ways, and it keeps getting worse.

I want to begin the process of shutting that door.

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@mrbojangles25: Congress can remove someone with a 2/3 vote.

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@Solaryellow said:

Democrats acting like typical whiny children yet again? Hardly shocking.

You mean holding elected officials accountable for inciting treason, i.e. storming the capital to attempt to kidnap politicians who refuse to cave into an egomaniac's desire to hold the presidency? Also the same riot that led to the death of an officer and injury of other officers who staved off that same riot?

Cry some more trumpette. Or should I say seditionist?

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#35 horgen  Moderator
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@Solaryellow said:

Democrats acting like typical whiny children yet again? Hardly shocking.

Because what Trump just did is totally cool. Like all the cool kids does this. Well succeed at it.

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#36 LJS9502_basic
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@horgen said:
@Solaryellow said:

Democrats acting like typical whiny children yet again? Hardly shocking.

Because what Trump just did is totally cool. Like all the cool kids does this. Well succeed at it.

Wonder what he would say if next the Democrats did it and were successful.

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#37  Edited By jaydan
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Well this is interesting

"Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:40:41."

Wait did it actually happen or is this some kind of troll?

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@jaydan said:

Well this is interesting

"Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:40:41."

Wait did it actually happen or is this some kind of troll?

It updates. It says 19:48:41 for me

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#39  Edited By jaydan
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@horgen said:
@jaydan said:

Well this is interesting

"Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:40:41."

Wait did it actually happen or is this some kind of troll?

It updates. It says 19:48:41 for me

Okay, I see. So I'm assuming that's just some sort of real-time expiration for his term, meaning he can leave office any time between now and his ended term?

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@mrbojangles25: For me, the biggest reason is precedent. We keep letting corruption slide in various ways, and it keeps getting worse.

I want to begin the process of shutting that door.

That and forcing a reckoning on all Republican Reps and Senators. Let them vote and reveal their true nature. If you have been playing along for self interest you can at least attempt to rehabilitate your moral character with an impeachment vote. But if after all of this you vote against, when there is no direct harm to the Rep Party itself or policy, then the Party should consider you to be unfit as well and seek to oust you in a primary challenge. If I was a Republican mega donor I'd watch this carefully.

That won't happen because so many politicians are weasels. That is the core problem.

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#41 horgen  Moderator
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@jaydan said:
@horgen said:
@jaydan said:

Well this is interesting

"Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:40:41."

Wait did it actually happen or is this some kind of troll?

It updates. It says 19:48:41 for me

Okay, I see. So I'm assuming that's just some sort of real-time expiration for his term, meaning he can leave office any time between now and his ended term?

Yeah. It's probably automatic. Keep it in mind and check after Biden has entered. I think he will get the same page.

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#42 jaydan
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@horgen said:
@jaydan said:
@horgen said:
@jaydan said:

Well this is interesting

"Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:40:41."

Wait did it actually happen or is this some kind of troll?

It updates. It says 19:48:41 for me

Okay, I see. So I'm assuming that's just some sort of real-time expiration for his term, meaning he can leave office any time between now and his ended term?

Yeah. It's probably automatic. Keep it in mind and check after Biden has entered. I think he will get the same page.

Something seems very off about this one. No where in the United States is 7:48pm right now.

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#43 jaydan
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@horgen: Update: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2021/01/u-s-state-department-mistakenly-reports-trumps-term-ended/

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@drunk_pi said:
@Solaryellow said:

Democrats acting like typical whiny children yet again? Hardly shocking.

You mean holding elected officials accountable for inciting treason, i.e. storming the capital to attempt to kidnap politicians who refuse to cave into an egomaniac's desire to hold the presidency? Also the same riot that led to the death of an officer and injury of other officers who staved off that same riot?

Cry some more trumpette. Or should I say seditionist?

Is "insurrection" or "sedition" the word of the week for you liberals? Hating someone is one thing and it is evident you do but tossing crap at the wall in hope of it sticking is something entirely different and that's what happens when emotion fuels a person.

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#45  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@Solaryellow: Republicans used that word as well to describe the events on the 6th, it has nothing to do with political affiliation. It's just an apt description.

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@Solaryellow: Do you object to their use? Do you feel they're not apt?

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#47  Edited By Solaryellow
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@mattbbpl said:

@Solaryellow: Do you object to their use? Do you feel they're not apt?

Again, it's all emotionally driven and used, IMO wrongly, to stoke the fire. A mob? Yes. A riot? No argument there.

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@Solaryellow said:
@mattbbpl said:

@Solaryellow: Do you object to their use? Do you feel they're not apt?

Again, it's all emotionally driven and used, IMO wrongly, to stoke the fire. A mob? Yes. A riot? No argument there.

They were attempting to kidnap and/or kill politicians opposed to Trump. It was politically driven and were attempting to subvert the rule of law and governance. Facts are facts.

Cry more. It's all you Trumpettes can do.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Solaryellow said:

Again, it's all emotionally driven and used, IMO wrongly, to stoke the fire. A mob? Yes. A riot? No argument there.

They were attempting to kidnap and/or kill politicians opposed to Trump. It was politically driven and were attempting to subvert the rule of law and governance. Facts are facts.

Cry more. It's all you Trumpettes can do.

Rioters armed with flags were going to kidnap and kill politicians? Kid, you sound unstable.

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@Solaryellow said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Solaryellow said:

Again, it's all emotionally driven and used, IMO wrongly, to stoke the fire. A mob? Yes. A riot? No argument there.

They were attempting to kidnap and/or kill politicians opposed to Trump. It was politically driven and were attempting to subvert the rule of law and governance. Facts are facts.

Cry more. It's all you Trumpettes can do.

Rioters armed with flags were going to kidnap and kill politicians? Kid, you sound unstable.

Yeah they had a gallows and were screaming hang pence because they were peaceful. They had guns/weapons because they were peaceful. They destroyed property because they were peaceful. They killed a cop because they were peaceful.