@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
Nothing I've written in this thread is a red herring.
Trump made a tweet and over 5 sources have directly corrected that tweet via fact checking, in top of Fire Man groups and forest experts. Feel free to show me what information is incorrect, and disprove it with your own.
https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/nov/12/donald-trump/trumps-overly-simplistic-and-false-claim-californi/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/12/us/politics/fact-check-trump-california-fire-tweet.html
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/11/13/reality-check-california-wildfires-trump-forest-management-alvon-newday-vpx.cnn
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jerry-brown-veto-wildfire-bill/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/10/california-fires-firefighter-groups-criticize-donald-trumps-comments/1959469002/
Now all I have left is to ask if you also believe his insane voter fraud tweets or insane stock market drop tweet, out of mere curiosity.
These are repeated well known leftist sources not from original source i.e Trump's twitter postings.
Trump criticized environmental laws.
They are merely citing facts. Those sources all have "HIGH" fact ratings.
His tweet, like most of his tweets, are wrong.
https://www.kqed.org/science/1927354/controlled-burns-can-help-solve-californias-fire-problem-so-why-arent-there-more-of-them
Even when the permit is done and the weather is right and crews are available, the air might already be too polluted to add more smoke to the mix. Air regulators grant permission for burn days, and it’s hard to get: regional atmospheric conditions mean that smoke from Sierra Nevada forests funnels toward the central valley, where air pollution is consistently bad.
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"We have to protect public health; that's our mandate,” says Dar Mims, a meteorologist with the California Air Resources Board. “But we also recognize that we need burning in the forest, and a lot of those trade-offs have to happen in real time because the decisions have to be made—do we want to potentially impact the air basin, or do we want to burn.”
Well known leftist sources haven't stated any facts.
That old link which has no mention of Trump's tweet in no way disproves my 4 factually accurate and current links directly dealing with Trump's tweet. Which you have yet to disprove.
Trump’s claim suggests the state government controls decisions over how and whether to thin forests, clear brush and set prescribed burns. In reality, California owns just 2 percent of forest land in the state, while the federal government owns upwards of 60 percent, said Keith Gilless, a UC Berkeley professor of forest economics and chairman of the California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection. The rest is owned by private landowners, timber companies and Native American tribes.
The state has made significant investments in forest management, he said, but "has no leverage" over the federal government to do the same. In August, McClatchy reported the Trump administration "proposed slashing tens of millions of dollars" for tree clearing.
Gilless added that Trump’s tweet ignores additional key factors driving California’s recent "firestorms," such as winds reaching near 60 miles per hour and bone dry conditions.
With those extremes, "even good preparation can be overcome," he said.
"I think the biggest problem with the comments was the lack of nuance," Gilless said, describing them as "uninformed." "It is a complex situation. Simple pronouncements on a subject like this are almost always in error."
Asked about Trump’s tweets in an interview on CNN, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection Deputy Chief Scott McLean declined to respond directly, citing "the lack of information given in that tweet."
He went on to describe California’s changing weather patterns.
"What’s been pushing all the fires these last couple years? The winds. The erratic wind behavior. The high temperatures early in the year that have dried out all this vegetation," McLean said.
Fire and climate experts also say the trend of more people moving into wildland areas increases the chances of sparking forest fires.
Jesse Miller, an ecologist who studies wildfires and lectures at Stanford University, described Trump’s comments as "off base and not capturing the complexity of the situation."
"Forest management might be part of the issue, but those are mostly federal lands up there (where the Camp fire started east of Chico). So, (Trump’s) actually in charge of most of those lands. … He’s also not recognizing the role of climate change. That’s by far what I and a lot of people think is the biggest factor driving these fires right now in California."
The White House did not respond to a request for evidence supporting Trump’s tweet.
But the dead trees themselves do not catch fire easily, because they are too big, said Chad T. Hanson, the principal ecologist at the John Muir Project of the nonprofit Earth Island Institute.
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“It’s like starting a campfire,” he said. “You don’t put a big log on the fire and put a match to it and expect it to burn — it’s not going to happen. Fires are driven by kindle.”Logging gets rid of trees, but it does not get rid of the kindling — brush, bushes and twigs. Logging does, however, enable the spread of cheatgrass, a highly combustible weed, which makes a forest more likely to burn.
In fact, the wooded land that abuts Paradise, Calif., the community so badly damaged by the Camp Fire, underwent the kind of post-fire logging that Mr. Trump’s tweet and Mr. Zinke’s article suggested. That was just under a decade ago, Dr. Hanson said, but the city is now in ashes.
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