Trump Admin to Detain Migrants Indefinitely, Deny Them Vaccines

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This week the Trump administration made two related announcements: That it would propose detaining migrants indefinitely and that it would not provide detainees with flu vaccines ahead of the flu season.

Ironically, the rationale cited for denying flu vaccines is that such detentions are limited to 20 days even though in the same week they announced that they no longer intend to abide by that limit.

There is sure to be litigation regarding the Flores agreement prior to implementation, but assuming that it's allowed to proceed it is unlikely to end well. Of course, as Trump Administration immigration official Ken Cuccinelli notes this is being implemented as a deterrent:

"This is a deterrent, because they know that instead of rushing the border, which is what's been going on for a number of years now, by using the massive numbers coming to the border and overwhelming our facilities and our capacity to hold folks and our court rulings, which is what the Flores rule was, that now they can and will to the extent we're able to do so, hold them until those hearings happen."

and the cruelty is the point.

Keep earning your Nat-C party stripes, Trump Administration.

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"Oh no, they somehow all got the flu and died, how unfortunate."

This is how genocide starts.

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What a filthy, dirty adminstration.

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#4 SolidSnake35
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They should try bumrush their way into China instead. See what vaccines they'd get here. XD

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@mattbbpl: Hmm, this does not sound like something that is out of the ordinary. First of all the flu vaccine is not something anyone is required to give and if the NGO´s on the left want these illegals to have them, then pay for it.

And as to the detaining, well that makes perfect sense since no one should get "lost" on the way to the courts and deportation.

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@mattbbpl: Hmm, this does not sound like something that is out of the ordinary. First of all the flu vaccine is not something anyone is required to give and if the NGO´s on the left want these illegals to have them, then pay for it.

And as to the detaining, well that makes perfect sense since no one should get "lost" on the way to the courts and deportation.

I had an inkling you'd defend this.

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This administration has shown itself to be cruel and uncaring. Pretty unconscionable and sickening.

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Very pro life, if I may say so.

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Man.

Everything this administration does just feels so f**king vindictive, personal, and malevolent. I think anyone who's honest with themselves can admit there's a very tangible feeling of not just addressing a policy issue, but of an incredible underlying resentment and hostility to those who represent it. Trump supporters love to hide behind policy; it'd be refreshing if they'd just grew a pair and said what they truly feel.

@foxhound_fox: nice sig.

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Another day of Trump shenanigans.

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#11  Edited By Horgen  Moderator
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@mattbbpl: Well they aren’t humans. Just trash, right?

Edit: What the reasoning looks like from the outside.

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Concentrumpion camps... poor usa, how far you have fallen.

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@mattbbpl said:
@Jacanuk said:

@mattbbpl: Hmm, this does not sound like something that is out of the ordinary. First of all the flu vaccine is not something anyone is required to give and if the NGO´s on the left want these illegals to have them, then pay for it.

And as to the detaining, well that makes perfect sense since no one should get "lost" on the way to the courts and deportation.

I had an inkling you'd defend this.

Well, let´s look at the facts here, Nowhere does it state that the flu vaccine is a human right or the US government should pay for illegals to have it.

So again if you and the far-left want them to have it, pay for it yourselves or begin a go-fund-me campaign

And again these are illegals IE lawbreakers and have decided to break the law, so do you also feel like we should not jail people?

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@mattbbpl: Well they aren’t humans. Just trash, right?

Edit: What the reasoning looks like from the outside.

No one said they are not humans. Problem is that these people are illegally in this country and should of course not be allowed to slip through the cracks.

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@Jacanuk said:

@mattbbpl: Hmm, this does not sound like something that is out of the ordinary. First of all the flu vaccine is not something anyone is required to give and if the NGO´s on the left want these illegals to have them, then pay for it.

And as to the detaining, well that makes perfect sense since no one should get "lost" on the way to the courts and deportation.

Once again not surprised by a conservative's opinion. Expected at this point. When you detain a large group of people for a long time you need to provide the healthcare to stop disease from spreading. There is NO other answer.

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@Jacanuk: Let's take a look at the facts indeed.

Your party is creating conditions to increase death rates in overcrowded camps in which they intend to keep people indefinitely.

"We aren't running concentration camps."

"Fine, we're running concentration camps, but they aren't death camps."

"Okay, we're running death camps, but we're just letting them die of disease, not gassing them."

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@horgen said:

@mattbbpl: Well they aren’t humans. Just trash, right?

Edit: What the reasoning looks like from the outside.

This is the christian majority in our country. Worship Christ, just don't act like Christ.

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@MirkoS77: Thanks! It's one of the few, well, console-only games I'm really excited to play. I just don't know if I'll ever get a chance to play it because the cost of a PS4 is just not in the cards right now.

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@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

@mattbbpl: Well they aren’t humans. Just trash, right?

Edit: What the reasoning looks like from the outside.

No one said they are not humans. Problem is that these people are illegally in this country and should of course not be allowed to slip through the cracks.

You can treat people with respect without letting them "slip through the cracks". To use your own choice of language.

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@horgen said:
@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

@mattbbpl: Well they aren’t humans. Just trash, right?

Edit: What the reasoning looks like from the outside.

No one said they are not humans. Problem is that these people are illegally in this country and should of course not be allowed to slip through the cracks.

You can treat people with respect without letting them "slip through the cracks". To use your own choice of language.

It's because Stephen Miller kinda hates hispanics. Past comments when he was younger and many of his policy ideas make this abundantly clear.

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@zaryia said:

It's because Stephen Miller kinda hates hispanics. Past comments when he was younger and many of his policy ideas make this abundantly clear.

Like when he in high school told latinos to speak English only? :P

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I'd give it a couple of weeks before they go " Well, maybe not just vaccines. Healthcare in general, that's what we meant."

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Holy shit that's fucked up. Why is this damn administration so needlessly cruel?

Remember when Obama decided that he wouldn't allow the prisoners at Guantanamo to literally starve themselves to death so he had them hooked up to IVs and we thought that that was generally some fucked up shit? This is the polar opposite of that, holding them against their will, and trying to improve their chances of death.

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@Serraph105: It's actual Nat-C shit.

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@Jacanuk: the vast majority are refugees or asylum seekers. Not illegals

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Heartless bastards

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@Jacanuk: the vast majority are refugees or asylum seekers. Not illegals

Misrepresentation of facts there but ok.

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Are these people free to go back to where they came? Just curious. So theyre in the States illegally and this is *meant* as a process to sort out a mess of people of who is who and who belongs where?

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Are these people free to go back to where they came? Just curious. So theyre in the States illegally and this is *meant* as a process to sort out a mess of people of who is who and who belongs where?

Yes, they are free to go back if they want to. They just don´t want to go back since they believe an illegal life in the US is better than the home they come from.

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@Jacanuk:

So what is it that people are having an issue with? Some of the things people are saying make it sound like they are being detained permanently and that this is similar to concentratuon camps. After you said that, wow what a slap to the face of any families that have actually dealt with concentration camps.

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@Jacanuk said:
@heirren said:

Are these people free to go back to where they came? Just curious. So theyre in the States illegally and this is *meant* as a process to sort out a mess of people of who is who and who belongs where?

Yes, they are free to go back if they want to. They just don´t want to go back since they believe an illegal life in the US is better than the home they come from.

Pretty amazing, huh?

The first "concentration camps" in history where the detainee can just raise their hand and say "I want to go home" and the camp "guards" will let them out, and even pay for their bus ticket home.

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Makes sense. How many illegal migrants show up to court for deportation hearings? Little to none?

Vaccines are not a right. If the Left want illegals to have them, pay for it. The US taxpayer in no way shape or form has an obligation to illegals/invaders.

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In episode S25E239, we'll see Bernout and Pocahontas demanding that the drug companies give everyone the vaccines for free.

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@Jacanuk said:
@heirren said:

Are these people free to go back to where they came? Just curious. So theyre in the States illegally and this is *meant* as a process to sort out a mess of people of who is who and who belongs where?

Yes, they are free to go back if they want to. They just don´t want to go back since they believe an illegal life in the US is better than the home they come from.

I agree with you.

For the sake of national security, I think it's time we start detaining the Japanese.

No wait, I meant the Jews....

Wait.... Why does this seem so familiar?

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@jsprunk said:

In episode S25E239, we'll see Bernout and Pocahontas demanding that the drug companies give everyone the vaccines for free.

Considering that preventative healthcare measures save a ton of money in the long run you're basically getting upset at the notion that a few politicians would be demanding that we act financially responsible. Okay then.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:
@heirren said:

Are these people free to go back to where they came? Just curious. So theyre in the States illegally and this is *meant* as a process to sort out a mess of people of who is who and who belongs where?

Yes, they are free to go back if they want to. They just don´t want to go back since they believe an illegal life in the US is better than the home they come from.

I agree with you.

For the sake of national security, I think it's time we start detaining the Japanese.

No wait, I meant the Jews....

Wait.... Why does this seem so familiar?

Why do tou say that? As was pointed out they arent even being detained. They are free to leave if they choose.

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@heirren said:
@drunk_pi said:
@Jacanuk said:

Yes, they are free to go back if they want to. They just don´t want to go back since they believe an illegal life in the US is better than the home they come from.

I agree with you.

For the sake of national security, I think it's time we start detaining the Japanese.

No wait, I meant the Jews....

Wait.... Why does this seem so familiar?

Why do tou say that? As was pointed out they arent even being detained. They are free to leave if they choose.

Just in case you weren't aware, Jacanuk's claim is bullshit. At the absolute best, they can request through extensive process to pay their own way back home, but they are otherwise under the jurisdiction of U.S. Immigrations and Customs where they are decidedly not "free to leave" at any time.

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@Vaasman:

That link says those methods are an alternative to being deported. To me that sounds like they are free to leave, but doing so is the same as being deported. In essense they choose to be their because they do not want to be deported.

Regardless of the process, that still shows they are not being detained. Simply put, id bet the process they must go through is something along the lines of legally agreeing not to re enter the country. Maybe.

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@heirren said:

@Vaasman:

That link says those methods are an alternative to being deported. To me that sounds like they are free to leave, but doing so is the same as being deported. In essense they choose to be their because they do not want to be deported.

Regardless of the process, that still shows they are not being detained. Simply put, id bet the process they must go through is something along the lines of legally agreeing not to re enter the country. Maybe.

Dude, it clearly says they can't leave, they are absolutely being detained. If they are deported at all, it is at the will of USIC who are taking custody of them. They can't just give up and decide "k please deport me," and the processes for appeal are obtuse and not guaranteed to succeed.

Cut the fucking crap.

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@Vaasman:

The link you provided says they can leave, albiet requesting so and going through the right channels. That is also said to be an alternative to deportation, which means deportation is also a possibility.

Youve got to ask yourself, why are these people there in the first place. If they are there because they broke immigration laws, its likely something they do not want to admit to because it would ultimately lead to deportation. The catch is these people probably want to live in the US, but know they have made legal mistakes which could get them deported, which is why this entire process is a clusterfck.

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@heirren said:

@Vaasman:

The link you provided says they can leave, albiet requesting so and going through the right channels. That is also said to be an alternative to deportation, which means deportation is also a possibility.

Youve got to ask yourself, why are these people there in the first place. If they are there because they broke immigration laws, its likely something they do not want to admit to because it would ultimately lead to deportation. The catch is these people probably want to live in the US, but know they have made legal mistakes which could get them deported, which is why this entire process is a clusterfck.

The request to leave can fail, and the fact that they have to endure a lengthy appeal through a court, decidedly means they are not "free to leave." At this point I have to assume you're doing feigned ignorance as a schtick.

I provided a link to cite my case though, why don't you provide a source that indicates that these people being detained, including indefinite detainment of children, are otherwise criminals outside of amnesty requests or illegal immigration. Otherwise that assumption demonstrates bigotry.

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First dont assume im being ignorant. I asked someone a simple question, got answer and took them at their word, and then someone else said it was not the case. I then read the link and decided to read something a bit more thorough, as well. So please, insults are not necessary.

Anyways, i found that article to be short on details and ill hladly read more, but this seemed a bit more objective...

@Vaasman said:
@heirren said:

@Vaasman:

The link you provided says they can leave, albiet requesting so and going through the right channels. That is also said to be an alternative to deportation, which means deportation is also a possibility.

Youve got to ask yourself, why are these people there in the first place. If they are there because they broke immigration laws, its likely something they do not want to admit to because it would ultimately lead to deportation. The catch is these people probably want to live in the US, but know they have made legal mistakes which could get them deported, which is why this entire process is a clusterfck.

The request to leave can fail, and the fact that they have to endure a lengthy appeal through a court, decidedly means they are not "free to leave." At this point I have to assume you're doing feigned ignorance as a schtick.

I provided a link to cite my case though, why don't you provide a source that indicates that these people being detained, including indefinite detainment of children, are otherwise criminals outside of amnesty requests or illegal immigration. Otherwise that assumption demonstrates bigotry.

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Are immigrant children free to leave shelters ‘at anytime’? Half True

By Miriam Valverde on Wednesday, July 10th, 2019 at 10:21 a.m.

Migrant children at the Casa Padre shelter in Brownsville, Texas. (U.S. Health and Human Services Department photo)

The treatment of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border has become a huge issue this summer, with members of Congress visiting Border Patrol facilities to see conditions for themselves.

A Republican congressman from Texas recently made the case that while resources are strained at facilities run by immigration authorities, children in the care of another government agency are being treated well.

"In the (Office of Refugee Resettlement) facilities...I've been to Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas, yes it's a restored Walmart. You know what? There's not a lock on the door. Any child is free to leave at anytime, but they don't," said Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, during a June 24 MSNBC interview. "You know why? Because they are well taken care of. And yes, at some point they’re going to live with family, generally not mother or father, but some family member, that’s a good thing."

Readers asked PolitiFact to look into Burgess’s claim about children being free to leave at any time from shelters but choosing to stay. We found that Burgess’s claim ignores critical facts and doesn’t capture the complexity of the issue.

Key takeaways:

• Children are in shelters because they are under federal custody, waiting to be placed with a sponsor and for a decision on their immigration case.

• Shelters are not detention centers, so their staff can’t forcibly restrain children if they walk out.

• If a child leaves a shelter without permission, staff will call law enforcement and ask for the child’s return.

Burgess’s response and types of facilities holding immigrant children

Burgess’s press office sent PolitiFact a statement from the congressman.

"In my experience, all shelters I have visited are designed appropriately for the ages of the children who occupy them," Burgess said in the statement. "If an older teen decides to leave on their own volition, they are neither detained nor restrained."

Immigrant children in federal custody range in age. For instance, as of May 31, around 11,500 were ages 13 to 17, about 1,400 were ages 6 to 12, and 432 were 5-years-old or younger.

Children in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement are required to be placed in the least restrictive environment, as mandated by the Flores Settlement, HHS’s press office told PolitiFact via email. Because of that, the majority of children are placed in state-licensed residential facilities instead of locked detention centers (and state laws vary regarding locks at the residential facilities).

"If a child does leave without proper authorization, then local law enforcement and (the Department of Homeland Security) are notified. Just like if a child left a school without permission — the police would be called," HHS said.

Organizations that advocate for migrants and help children obtain legal aid told PolitiFact that there are varying levels of security at different facilities, which can include shelters, foster care homes, and secure facilities, such as a juvenile detention center.

But overall, children are not free to leave the facilities without consent, experts said, while noting that it has happened.

"If they leave, it is considered running away," said Rachel Prandini, a staff attorney at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, which advocates for immigrant rights.

Prandini pointed to a federal policy which says that a child may be placed in a "staff secure facility" solely because he or she poses an escape risk. In the more secure facilities that HHS operates, children are not free to leave, she said.

What about the Casa Padre facility mentioned by Burgess?

PolitiFact sought information from the nonprofit Southwest Key, which operates the Casa Padre migrant children shelter in Brownsville, Texas. It sent us a link to a July 2018 post from The Texas Tribune, headlined: "Can separated immigrant children just walk out of shelters? Technically, yes."

The Texas Tribune post said that under state and federal guidelines, staff at Casa Padre and other shelters "are almost never allowed to forcibly stop a child" from leaving. The Texas Tribune linked to a June 2018 New York Times article that quotes a spokesman for Southwest Key, after a 15-year-old migrant walked off from the Casa Padre shelter.

The spokesman, identified by the New York Times as Jeff Eller, told the newspaper that a child could not be legally required to stay.

"We are not a detention center," Eller told the New York Times. "We talk to them and try to get them to stay. If they leave the property, we call law enforcement."

The doors at Casa Padre (a former Walmart store) are not locked but they have alarms that would alert staff if a child is exiting (and in the back area where children play outside, there is a fence), said Michelle Brané, senior director of the Migrant Rights and Justice program at the nonprofit Women's Refugee Commission.

Why are children in shelters?

Children are kept in enclosed facilities because they are undocumented and in immigration removal proceedings, and for child protection reasons, because the federal government is responsible for their care and custody, said Jennifer Podkul, senior director for policy at Kids in Need of Defense.

The facilities are meant to be temporary places for children while they await placement with sponsors. A sponsor (commonly a parent or family member) is expected to care for the child while he or she gets a decision from an immigration judge. On average, children spend fewer than 45 days in shelters.

In his statement to PolitiFact, Burgess also said that children could request to be returned to their home country.

Experts told PolitiFact that while children can ask to be sent back, that’s not always granted because it’s at the discretion of an immigration judge. If a judge allows a child to go home through voluntary departure, or if the child is issued a removal order, the child would be transferred over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and that agency would ​facilitate the removal from the United States, Podkul said.

Our ruling

Burgess said, "In the (Office of Refugee Resettlement) facilities...I've been to Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas, yes it's a restored Walmart. You know what? There's not a lock on the door. Any child is free to leave at anytime, but they don't. You know why? Because they are well taken care of."

There are varying levels of security at different facilities. We did not get a clear answer from HHS, the department in charge of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, or from Casa Padre on whether there’s a lock on the door at Casa Padre. An expert told us that the doors at that facility are not locked but they have alarms to alert staff if a child is exiting.

In 2018, a spokesman for the nonprofit that runs Casa Padre said that the facility was not a detention center and could not legally stop a child from leaving. But the facility calls the police if children leave without permission.

Children at these facilities are under federal custody, awaiting immigration proceedings, and placement with a sponsor in the United States. So children might stay for reasons other than "because they are well taken care of." While most children in federal custody are 13- to 17-years-old, hundreds of others are 12 or younger.

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#43 JSprunk
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@Serraph105: So instead of doing their actual jobs and fixing the broken Clinton/Bush/Obama immigration system, they should be advocating that the gov't steals vaccines from big pharma? Sounds legit.

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@jsprunk said:

@Serraph105: So instead of doing their actual jobs and fixing the broken Clinton/Bush/Obama immigration system, they should be advocating that the gov't steals vaccines from big pharma? Sounds legit.

Steal them? Who said to steal them? Are you actually serious with that comment?

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@Serraph105:

Where would they get such luxuries from?

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#46  Edited By Serraph105
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@Serraph105:

Where would they get such luxuries from?

The luxury of flu vaccines? Something they were getting before the Trump administration decided to remove them? Same place, tax payer dollars, obviously. The idea is that as long as we are giving the people who are indefinitely detained access to some healthcare, it would cost far less to do so by implementing as much preventative healthcare as possible. It's the fiscally responsible thing to do, something republicans are historically opposed in practice, but vocally in open support of.

Of course, this all ignores the idea that we should not be putting asylum seekers in concentration camps (or anyone for that matter) to begin with, but I digress. That probably not a conversation republicans are comfortable with. Still though, thought I would remind people.

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@Serraph105:

Yes the luxury. What do you mean they were getting them before? I thought tax payer dollar was for legal citizens, am i wrong on that?

Again, people need to ask themselves *why* this situation exists in the first place. Both sides are at blame.

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@MirkoS77 said:

Man.

Everything this administration does just feels so f**king vindictive, personal, and malevolent. I think anyone who's honest with themselves can admit there's a very tangible feeling of not just addressing a policy issue, but of an incredible underlying resentment and hostility to those who represent it...

This is exactly how I feel. This is not America, this is not representative of the people here, and yet somehow...it is, because we voted for it.

I don't know, man, my best friend lives in an agricultural area and he has a love-hate relationship with hispanics; on one hand, anything bad that has happened to him that's people related--car accident, robberies, hostile interactions, and so forth--has been with a Hispanic person, but on the other hand he is friends with a lot of them and works along side them.

I sympathize with both sides to some extent because of this, but if I had to err one one side or another I'd probably take the humane side, not the "screw these people, they robbed my friend" side...

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@Serraph105: I'm guessing you're not following what the DNC is advocating for post-2020 immigration. What do you call it if the gov't were to force big pharma to provide vaccines to illegal aliens for free, if not stealing?

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@heirren: " Both sides are at blame."

Impressive, but not surprising that both sideism would be lugged out.