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#1 Edited by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

Texas legislators considering making abortion potentially punishable by death

Washington (CNN)Texas lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow a woman who undergoes an abortion procedure to possibly be charged with capital murder -- a crime punishable by death in Texas.

House Bill 896, introduced in the Texas House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee, would remove the exception in the penal code for criminal homicide that applies to women and medical professionals and allow them to be charged with murder of an unborn child.

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#2 Edited by Treflis (13620 posts) -

Just Texas being Texas as usual.

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#3 Posted by Jacanuk (18252 posts) -
@br0kenrabbit said:

Texas legislators considering making abortion potentially punishable by death

Washington (CNN)Texas lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow a woman who undergoes an abortion procedure to possibly be charged with capital murder -- a crime punishable by death in Texas.

House Bill 896, introduced in the Texas House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee, would remove the exception in the penal code for criminal homicide that applies to women and medical professionals and allow them to be charged with murder of an unborn child.

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You fucking hicks, die already.

And there is no chance in anything that this will not be quashed by the supreme court.

So there is no chance a bill like this would be passed and a single members suggestion is not equal to everyone in Texas, so nice scare campaign by leftist CNN.

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#4 Edited by Sevenizz (3615 posts) -

While a bit extreme, abortion is still murder of an innocent life.

You can sugar coat it all you want by calling it a choice or your right, but you’re still killing a baby in the first degree.

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#5 Edited by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

Abortion kills babies. Unfortunatley there is already death involved.

More death is not the answer.

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#6 Posted by Zaryia (8178 posts) -
@Jacanuk said:
@br0kenrabbit said:

Texas legislators considering making abortion potentially punishable by death

Washington (CNN)Texas lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow a woman who undergoes an abortion procedure to possibly be charged with capital murder -- a crime punishable by death in Texas.

House Bill 896, introduced in the Texas House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee, would remove the exception in the penal code for criminal homicide that applies to women and medical professionals and allow them to be charged with murder of an unborn child.

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You fucking hicks, die already.

And there is no chance in anything that this will not be quashed by the supreme court.

So there is no chance a bill like this would be passed and a single members suggestion is not equal to everyone in Texas, so nice scare campaign by leftist CNN.

Reporting on an actual event is a campaign?

I thought it was news.

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#7 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

"We will force you under penalty of death to never abort a fetus. It is a sacred seed of life and must be loved and protected at all costs."

"Hell no we won't support lenient medical coverage of the birth or child. We sure as shit won't condone any social programs to help struggling newborns and mothers. Nor will we condone sexual education or protection. Get a job and get married you heathens!"

I don't think I'll ever understand this debate.

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#8 Edited by comp_atkins (35599 posts) -
@Sevenizz said:

While a bit extreme, abortion is still murder of an innocent life.

so what's a miscarriage then? manslaughter?

lock em up!

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#9 Edited by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

@comp_atkins said:
@Sevenizz said:

While a bit extreme, abortion is still murder of an innocent life.

so what's a miscarriage then? manslaughter?

lock em up!

Is male masturbation genocide?

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#10 Posted by Sevenizz (3615 posts) -

@comp_atkins: That’s ridiculous. You don’t miscarry on purpose.

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#11 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@comp_atkins: That "logic."

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#12 Edited by Sevenizz (3615 posts) -

@Vaasman: What’s to understand? If you engage in sexual activity, the end product could be life. Everyone knows this. How is that society’s issue?

If you choose to have an abortion over keeping it or adoption, you’re murdering your baby.

Seems simple to me.

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#13 Posted by Sevenizz (3615 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit: Another ridiculous comment given nothing is fertilized.

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#14 Edited by Jacanuk (18252 posts) -
@zaryia said:

Reporting on an actual event is a campaign?

I thought it was news.

Do you know what a scare-campaign is? if not then go look it up.

But don´t worry I know you won´t.

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#15 Posted by Solaryellow (4805 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@Vaasman: What’s to understand? If you engage in sexual activity, the end product could be life. Everyone knows this. How is that’s society’s issue?

If you choose to have an abortion over keeping it or adoption, you’re murdering your baby.

Seems simple to me.

What it boils down to is that many people shouldn't be having sex since they are not responsible enough for the possible outcomes of said action.

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#16 Posted by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@br0kenrabbit: Another ridiculous comment given nothing is fertilized.

There's the whole 'sin of Onan' argument.

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#17 Posted by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@Vaasman: What’s to understand? If you engage in sexual activity, the end product could be life. Everyone knows this. How is that’s society’s issue?

If you choose to have an abortion over keeping it or adoption, you’re murdering your baby.

Seems simple to me.

A fetus is not a baby any more than a walnut is a tree.

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#18 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@Vaasman: What’s to understand? If you engage in sexual activity, the end product could be life. Everyone knows this. How is that’s society’s issue?

If you choose to have an abortion over keeping it or adoption, you’re murdering your baby.

Seems simple to me.

Except it's not a baby. It's a fetus at best. Until several months in it isn't even a consciousness.

Not to mention, there are clearly extenuating circumstances that make this a far more complicated topic thank you're describing. Saying otherwise is ignorant as hell.

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#19 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:
@Sevenizz said:

@Vaasman: What’s to understand? If you engage in sexual activity, the end product could be life. Everyone knows this. How is that’s society’s issue?

If you choose to have an abortion over keeping it or adoption, you’re murdering your baby.

Seems simple to me.

A fetus is not a baby any more than a walnut is a tree.

Clearly.

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#20 Posted by Zaryia (8178 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Reporting on an actual event is a campaign?

I thought it was news.

Do you know what a scare-campaign is? if not then go look it up.

But don´t worry I know you won´t.

Were they not supposed to report on this?

You sound paranoid.

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#21 Posted by Serraph105 (33657 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:
@Sevenizz said:

@Vaasman: What’s to understand? If you engage in sexual activity, the end product could be life. Everyone knows this. How is that’s society’s issue?

If you choose to have an abortion over keeping it or adoption, you’re murdering your baby.

Seems simple to me.

A fetus is not a baby any more than a walnut is a tree.

God, if only people had as much concern for tree seeds as they do fetuses.

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#22 Posted by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

Clearly.

No let's see the brain development. Hell, when you're born your brain isn't even mature enough to make memories.

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#23 Posted by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@br0kenrabbit said:

A fetus is not a baby any more than a walnut is a tree.

Clearly.

If you had told me that was actually an MRI for a tumor I probably would have believed it.

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#24 Edited by Chutebox (44488 posts) -
@br0kenrabbit said:
@Chutebox said:

Clearly.

No let's see the brain development. Hell, when you're born your brain isn't even mature enough to make memories.

Oh, is that how we decide what's human and what's not? Brain development? Got it! Makes total sense!

I mean, nevermind the organs, limbs, head, all that...it's the brain development people!

Disgusting.

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#25 Edited by Jacanuk (18252 posts) -
@zaryia said:

Were they not supposed to report on this?

You sound paranoid.

This is where you stand .....X.....

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And this is the point ....X.....

See how far you are from it?

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#26 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@br0kenrabbit said:

A fetus is not a baby any more than a walnut is a tree.

Clearly.

If you had told me that was actually an MRI for a tumor I probably would have believed it.

Uh huh....

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#27 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

If you had told me that was actually an MRI for a tumor I probably would have believed it.

Uh huh....

Just sayin, if you're going to use an ultra sound guilt trip, why not use late term? What you posted is a bean with nubs.

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#28 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

If you had told me that was actually an MRI for a tumor I probably would have believed it.

Uh huh....

Just sayin, if you're going to use an ultra sound guilt trip, why not use late term? What you posted is a bean with nubs.

Because I wanted to show just how early in the cycle the baby is forming.

And no, it is not a bean with nubs. It has organs, it's own DNA, limbs, etc.

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#29 Posted by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Just sayin, if you're going to use an ultra sound guilt trip, why not use late term? What you posted is a bean with nubs.

Because I wanted to show just how early in the cycle the baby is forming.

And no, it is not a bean with nubs. It has organs, it's own DNA, limbs, etc.

Except it doesn't, none of them are properly formed, and are too underdeveloped to even live, were it to be born prematurely. It doesn't even have motor or nerve function at that stage.

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#30 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Just sayin, if you're going to use an ultra sound guilt trip, why not use late term? What you posted is a bean with nubs.

Because I wanted to show just how early in the cycle the baby is forming.

And no, it is not a bean with nubs. It has organs, it's own DNA, limbs, etc.

Except it doesn't, none of them are properly formed, and are too underdeveloped to even live, were it to be born prematurely. It doesn't even have motor or nerve function at that stage.

It doesn't? I suggest you actually look into what you're talking about.

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#31 Edited by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@br0kenrabbit said:
@Chutebox said:

Clearly.

No let's see the brain development. Hell, when you're born your brain isn't even mature enough to make memories.

Oh, is that how we decide what's human and what's not? Brain development? Got it! Makes total sense!

I mean, nevermind the organs, limbs, head, all that...it's the brain development people!

Disgusting.

Yeah, brain death is how life is medically determined.

At early stages of development only the brain stem is active.

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#32 Posted by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Except it doesn't, none of them are properly formed, and are too underdeveloped to even live, were it to be born prematurely. It doesn't even have motor or nerve function at that stage.

It doesn't? I suggest you actually look into what you're talking about.

Yea I'm looking at a parasitic nubbin monster, what's the confusion?

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#33 Posted by br0kenrabbit (15949 posts) -

@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Except it doesn't, none of them are properly formed, and are too underdeveloped to even live, were it to be born prematurely. It doesn't even have motor or nerve function at that stage.

It doesn't? I suggest you actually look into what you're talking about.

Yea I'm looking at a parasitic nubbin monster, what's the confusion?

If you threw out the term 'exuberant synaptogenesis' he'd have to look it up. :-)

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#34 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -
@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Except it doesn't, none of them are properly formed, and are too underdeveloped to even live, were it to be born prematurely. It doesn't even have motor or nerve function at that stage.

It doesn't? I suggest you actually look into what you're talking about.

Yea I'm looking at a parasitic nubbin monster, what's the confusion?

You'll have to look at yourself for that answer.

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#35 Edited by Zaryia (8178 posts) -
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Were they not supposed to report on this?

You sound paranoid.

What is wrong with this article then?

What issue do you take with it? Is this House Bill 896 being inaccurately portrayed?

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#36 Posted by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Yea I'm looking at a parasitic nubbin monster, what's the confusion?

You'll have to look at yourself for that answer.

Actually I took the liberty of googling the image. As expected, this fetus isn't even past the first trimester. None of it's parts are functional or fully formed, they can't even move on their own at that point, and there is no brain activity. It still has 4 months or so before it could even survive outside the womb at all, much less comfortably so.

So yea, it's basically just a fleshy leech at this stage. I suppose if that's what you want to use for guilt then I can't stop you, but perhaps you could have chosen a better sob sample?

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#37 Posted by Jacanuk (18252 posts) -
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Were they not supposed to report on this?

You sound paranoid.

What is wrong with this article then?

What issue do you take with it? Is this House Bill 896 being inaccurately portrayed?

You keep missing the point.

Do you miss it on purpose?

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#38 Posted by whiskeystrike (12182 posts) -

Isn't this one of those things that has a snowball's chance in hell at passing?

It's pretty stupid how much time is wasted by politicians pushing for stuff they know will never pass but I guess they'll use this as some sort of proof that big government won't listen and continue to cash in on gullible voters.

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#39 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@Vaasman: Literally nothing you just said stops the baby from being human. Not one thing. You're not even arguing against anything I said. I never said the baby can hop on out at that stage and be fine. What the hell are you thinking?

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#40 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

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@Vaasman: Literally nothing you just said stops the baby from being human. Not one thing. You're not even arguing against anything I said. I never said the baby can hop on out at that stage and be fine. What the hell are you thinking?

You are arguing that it has enough value as a human lifeform at this stage that we shouldn't allow any options to the mother. And, frankly, it doesn't. There is no brain, it isn't a formed creature, it does not function on it's own in any capacity.

Even if you don't condone allowing the choice on the basis of the extreme life alterations of raising a child, if a mom was at this stage of pregnancy and found out she had a complication or illness that would almost certainly cause the birth or c-section to be fatal to her, do you not think it is worth terminating the pregnancy at this stage?

Or maybe I am looking at this all wrong. Perhaps the ideal is that we should consider everything that appears vaguely human to be human. So if I break a garden statue, that is also murder. Because that's essentially the value of the object you posted.

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#41 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:

@Vaasman: Literally nothing you just said stops the baby from being human. Not one thing. You're not even arguing against anything I said. I never said the baby can hop on out at that stage and be fine. What the hell are you thinking?

Even if you don't condone allowing the choice on the basis of the extreme life alterations of raising a child, if a mom was at this stage of pregnancy and found out she had a complication or illness that would almost certainly cause the birth to be fatal to her, do you not think it is worth terminating the pregnancy at this stage?

This is different and unfortunate (obviously). If the woman's life is in danger then she should decide.

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#42 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Even if you don't condone allowing the choice on the basis of the extreme life alterations of raising a child, if a mom was at this stage of pregnancy and found out she had a complication or illness that would almost certainly cause the birth to be fatal to her, do you not think it is worth terminating the pregnancy at this stage?

This is different and unfortunate (obviously). If the woman's life is in danger then she should decide.

Sounds like it's murder either way if based on your logic. Either the fetus murders the mom or the mom murders the fetus in this scenario you've concocted. I mean that's what you want yes? It seems only fair to treat it like a person not just when we're deciding if we want to have it be a baby or not, but also when it's being convicted for the matricide while in the NICU.

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#43 Edited by Zaryia (8178 posts) -
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Were they not supposed to report on this?

You sound paranoid.

What is wrong with this article then?

What issue do you take with it? Is this House Bill 896 being inaccurately portrayed?

You keep missing the point.

Do you miss it on purpose?

So you're mad at factual reporting because?

If Dems put up a bill that was this stupid (or good, like the Election Reform) yet had zero chance to make it, I'd still want to know. It's still good public knowledge.

Its news, deal with it.

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#44 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -
@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Even if you don't condone allowing the choice on the basis of the extreme life alterations of raising a child, if a mom was at this stage of pregnancy and found out she had a complication or illness that would almost certainly cause the birth to be fatal to her, do you not think it is worth terminating the pregnancy at this stage?

This is different and unfortunate (obviously). If the woman's life is in danger then she should decide.

Sounds like it's murder either way if based on your logic. Either the fetus murders the mom or the mom murders the fetus in this scenario you've concocted. I mean that's what you want yes? It seems only fair to treat it like a person not just when we're deciding if we want to have it be a baby or not, but also when it's being convicted for the matricide while in the NICU.

The woman is defending herself fighting for her life. But you keep going trying to justify this barbaric logic you carry.

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#45 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Sounds like it's murder either way if based on your logic. Either the fetus murders the mom or the mom murders the fetus in this scenario you've concocted. I mean that's what you want yes? It seems only fair to treat it like a person not just when we're deciding if we want to have it be a baby or not, but also when it's being convicted for the matricide while in the NICU.

The woman is defending herself fighting for her life. But you keep going trying to justify this barbaric logic you carry.

Actually it's literally the opposite of barbaric. It's in part thanks to advancements in medical science that safe abortion is possible, and thanks to medical science we can even detect pregnancy before the fetus is a viable lifeform.

What's really barbaric is forcibly robbing others of freedom in choices because of your dubious, narrow minded morality, where every unformed human object has as much value as a fully developed child.

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#46 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -

@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Sounds like it's murder either way if based on your logic. Either the fetus murders the mom or the mom murders the fetus in this scenario you've concocted. I mean that's what you want yes? It seems only fair to treat it like a person not just when we're deciding if we want to have it be a baby or not, but also when it's being convicted for the matricide while in the NICU.

The woman is defending herself fighting for her life. But you keep going trying to justify this barbaric logic you carry.

Actually it's literally the opposite of barbaric. It's in part thanks to advancements in medical science that safe abortion is possible, and thanks to medical science we can even detect pregnancy before the fetus is a viable lifeform.

What's really barbaric is forcibly robbing others of freedom in choices because of your dubious, narrow minded morality, where every unformed human object has as much value as a fully developed child.

That we agree on!

However, I don't go by your backwards, barbaric reasoning.

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#47 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10600 posts) -

Grandstanding by the American Taliban.

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#48 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Actually it's literally the opposite of barbaric. It's in part thanks to advancements in medical science that safe abortion is possible, and thanks to medical science we can even detect pregnancy before the fetus is a viable lifeform.

What's really barbaric is forcibly robbing others of freedom in choices because of your dubious, narrow minded morality, where every unformed human object has as much value as a fully developed child.

That we agree on!

However, I don't go by your backwards, barbaric reasoning.

lol yes, how barbaric and backwards of me to consider a woman's ability to make an informed decision about an extreme life-altering event, any time after the very instant of conception, to be more important than the life of a functionless unformed fetus with no consciousness. I'm practically a caveman.

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#49 Posted by Chutebox (44488 posts) -
@Vaasman said:
@Chutebox said:
@Vaasman said:

Actually it's literally the opposite of barbaric. It's in part thanks to advancements in medical science that safe abortion is possible, and thanks to medical science we can even detect pregnancy before the fetus is a viable lifeform.

What's really barbaric is forcibly robbing others of freedom in choices because of your dubious, narrow minded morality, where every unformed human object has as much value as a fully developed child.

That we agree on!

However, I don't go by your backwards, barbaric reasoning.

lol yes, how barbaric and backwards of me to consider a woman's ability to make an informed decision about an extreme life-altering event, any time after the very instant of conception, to be more important than the life of a functionless unformed fetus with no consciousness. I'm practically a caveman.

I mean, I could show you why it's barbaric, but I'd be banned.

Don't be harsh to cavemen.

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#50 Edited by Vaasman (13632 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

I mean, I could show you why it's barbaric, but I'd be banned.

Don't be harsh to cavemen.

Ah yes the classic "I could totally school you in this debate but I can't because reasons." Not an especially surprising conclusion all things considered.