The White House is burning...

...hypocritical fools with red-hot zingers!

Link to White House Twitter.

This is the democratic party I have wanted for a long time. Honest, but aggressive.

Someone call the burn unit!

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In recent news, Biden passed some loan forgiveness for students. Obviously using taxpayer money to help taxpayers and Americans is just terrible, so naturally the GOP came out with some statements.

Well, the White House didn't take it lying down!

Case in point: the not-so-great Marjorie Taylor-Greene. At some point she had received PPP debt forgiveness in excess of $100,000, but when Biden decided to forgive student

A list of other critics. Hypocrites. Hypocriticritics:

Dark Brandon is coming for you! Bully Pulpit shall smite thee!

Anyway, good folks of PG...what say you on subject?

It's like a reverse-GOP policy:

@mattbbpl: But dude we can't have that, debt relief has to go to banks and too-big-to-fail companies! It can't go to the people! No no no.

Yup, it's all massive hypocrisy and extreme tribalism.

Only rich Republicans who look a certain way are allowed hand outs and loan forgiveness!

Hell some are fine just as long as it's only Republican getting "hand outs", you'll note how the "muh socialism" idiots here will eject the damn thread once I bring up Blue states funding Red states or Red Counties using the most aid.

@mrbojangles25: I know, it's terrible. A real moral tragedy. We'll need to get Republicans in power again so the money can once again go to those who deserve it, the makers.

No, not the workers! They're the takers. I mean the ones that have most of the money already and live off the interest.

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Come on man, it's expected to help the wealthy, they are the ordained. Helping regular people is socialism.

Follow me, Americans! Put on your gender neutral skirts, take off your shirts, and use your pronouns! FOR SOCIALISM!

BTW this makes this specific hypocrisy all the more sad,

'Biggest fraud in a generation': The looting of the Covid relief program known as PPP (nbcnews.com)

1 Percent of P.P.P. Borrowers Got Over One-Quarter of the Loan Money - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

oooof. That's bad.

1% getting richer every day.

If idiots hadn't embraced lockdownerism the PPP loans wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Businesses should have never been forced to close thier doors.

Sure let the pandemic rage. Maybe we could have doubled or tripled the deaths.🙄

are you for the ppp debt forgiveness? yes or no?

My aunt, who has paid student loans since the 90s, and has paid far more than what she originally took, is going to essentially get what's left of hers erased. I'm getting mine cut by two-thirds. It's what Biden promised to do, and he delivered.

For other people I know this will be a drop in the bucket, but it's better than nothing.

Of course GOP wants to make a stink about it, whites without a college education are their strongest demographic.

@comp_atkins: we needed the PPP loans because the idiots in government forced buisnesses to shut thier doors.

The loans were necessary to keep buisnesses from going under due to government overreach.

Never should have shut down. It was bullshit.

Oughtn't we to get a bucket or something?*

@lamprey263: The highly educated morally superior liberals were all for lockdowns.

If you weren't for locking down they said "you want to kill people". Even though COVID has a 99.9% survival rate.

They ended up turning it into a "essential" and "non essential" charade. This causes all types of buisness small, medium, big, to close down.

All these buisnesses from hair cutteries, book stores, restaurants/bars, anything that isn't a grocery store or necessity trade gets taken to it's knees.

The government knows they are all going to be screwed if they have to close thier doors but says "don't worry, you can qualify for this PPP loan".

Of coarse every buisness who can take it that money is going to take. What choice did the government give them? They want to fine you if you open your doors... If you keep them closed you lose your livelihood.

It's pretty sad. The lockdowns did little to nothing to stop COVID too. This essential non essential formula was cancer.

Look at places like CA and NY durring COVID and compared to places like Florida who opened up much earlier.

Thier extended lockdowns did nothing but make their place bigger shitholes. It created more poverty, drug use, and crime, but did nothing to stop COVID. Had the kids going to school on webcams for 2 years straight, made the kids dumb and messed up in the head, socially awkward.

The Highly Educated Morally Superior Liberals made a bad judgement call. It did little to nothing to stop COVID and made everything else worse.

@Serraph105: 2/3rds? Holy cow, that's great. Congrats!

Corporations and banks are allowed bailout forgiveness. Who would have thunk!

Are we really placing employer/employee COVID relief funds during government lockdowns/pandemic on the same level as adults seeking high tuition debt-inducing universities for general education, etc?

@sargentd: their miscalculation wasn't that lockdowns weren't going to be effective, they underestimated the stupidity of the MAGA idiots who flagrantly disregarded public health saftey guidelines for masks and social gatherings and getting the Covid vaccine. Hard to argue public health and safety policies wouldn't have helped when a large portion of the population was in open defiance to them.

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@mattbbpl: thanks, I'm pretty psyched about it. That's $10k (over time) I can put towards a retirement fund.

skirts where og worn by both sexes. so was pink!!!!

@mrbojangles25 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

Come on man, it's expected to help the wealthy, they are the ordained. Helping regular people is socialism.

Follow me, Americans! Put on your gender neutral skirts, take off your shirts, and use your pronouns! FOR SOCIALISM!

anyhow fox news said. why dont the college/university pay back the loans....

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source

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-gov-desantis-calls-bidens-student-loan-handout-unconstitutional-says-colleges-should-pay

@sargentd: Trump shut down the economy. Blame him.

That is correct, in the latest bill passed in order to get all the Democrat votes a provision that would have affected the wealthy donors was taken out of the bill. The Democrats are always stating the rich must pay their fair share until it comes down to where the rubber meets the road and they forget their talking point.

My point

Your head

Good to expose those hypocrites.

What i was thinking. Every country had to react to an unprecedented crisis. This student loan forgivness was on the agenda before Covid. Of course, if it helps to mitigate the impact of the virus outbreak... why not?

However, is it restricted to crisis times like PPP loans?

Yup it's clear and unquestionable hypocrisy.

One could make the case it's actually even worse than it appears on face value, due to how badly PPP was handled. Well off Republican politicians raking in the handouts, meanwhile:

• 'Biggest fraud in a generation': The looting of the Covid relief program known as PPP (nbcnews.com)
• 1 Percent of P.P.P. Borrowers Got Over One-Quarter of the Loan Money - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
• Derelict, dangerous and debarred: Millions in PPP funds given to banned companies (nbcnews.com)

I'm not sure why conservatives in this thread are trying to use PPP's nature to diminish the OP. It only enhances it considering what happened.

As Rahm Emanuel once stated, "You never let a serious crisis go to waste."

I'm not sure how this will help the already record level of inflation.

Yeah, I know. It's a good point. I don't imagine it will have a big impact on inflation but only time will tell.

I find it hilarious that sargentd is complaining about liberals and the economy shutting down when Trump was in charge. In true Trumper fashion, the GOP is never responsible for anything, it's always "THoSe dAmN LiBeRals!"

Nailed it

Imagine freaking out about a plague with over 98% survival rate, takes a special kind of stupid to believe covid was as serious as the Black Death which wiped out half of Europe

This appears false. The study you both are basing your opinion on wasn't peer reviewed, wasn't by medical professions, and was highly contested.

Did Pandemic Lockdowns Do Little to Prevent COVID Deaths? (webmd.com)

Fact check: Working paper isn't proof lockdown don't work, experts say (usatoday.com)

Oddly enough they have a higher HDI/QOL than most red states. As most Blue states do on average. On the topic of Covid handling,

The coronavirus pandemic has been deadlier in red states (axios.com)

For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later - ABC News (go.com)

Anyway lets get back on topic. GOP are huge flaming hypocrites over this issue.

The republican deathcult never disappoints.

LOL. Another day, another laugh.

@zaryia: I recall this being discussed in past about these studies, asserting the mortality rate of those infected remains the same regardless of whether there's a lockdown or not, but ignores how increased transmission means more people get infected thus more people die as a result. Pretty common sense.

COVID 19 killed 6.5 million people, the fact that people don't take it seriously is very alarming.

However, what is more worthy to note are the exact attitudes surrounding COVID 19. Kudos to people who took it seriously. But as for the clowns who tout "Muh 98% survivability rate" or tout up some miracle cure rather than prevention, grow up.

It is people like you who make me dread the inevitable superbug pandemic.

All of a sudden a few conservatives now think Covid was super bad and serious, and you shouldn't ever bring up PPP hypocrisy as it's not fair and it's not the same thing!

All in order to protect these rich Republicans who were part of the PPP pilfering. The same ones who now cry over student loan relief. They are right, it's not the same thing, that was substantially worse.

WE will see how much people like this give away when the bill comes due to pay the piper.

Imagine your baseline comparison being the Black Death which wiped out over 1/3 of Europe in 3 years. This comment on survival rate indicates that no Republican truly grasps how mass death impacts stuff like economy or society as a whole. You know what's worse than a lock down? Having a large portion of the work force being permanently killed, an even larger portion temporarily taken out of the work force, and ultimately seeing our healthcare system collapse. Can't even see past their own noses.

You guys really don't get it do you?

1. Our goal with the lockdowns was to avoid overclogging the health infrastructure
2. You are comparing a pandemic where we didnt have access to modern healthcare to one in which we do. Not saying COVID is as deadly as the bubonic plague but... COVID would have had a much higher lethality rate if it werent for physicians saving you. Mind you, this is a system you in your callousness completely clogged, drainign resources from it.
3. Even ignoring death for a moment, there is long COVID to consider.
4. Countries such as mine, which were very soft on the lockdowns. Were still hit really hard fiscially. Turns out that with or without a lockdown economies are still hurt.

@HoolaHoopMan: Yeah there's too many variables to just dismiss it out of hand. Plus if you look at other countries that just chose to ignore it, didn't have the infrastructure...well, it could have been worse.

Additionally, maybe we had such a high survival rate because we did something proactive.

I just read about this. I forgot the name but I want to say "Preparedness Syndrome" or paradox or something like that. It's like we get rid of a disease because of vaccines. Then people feel safe so they stop taking the vaccine because they think the disease has disappeared or they're special or immune or something. Then the disease comes back and kills people.

Just because you have a low death rate doesn't allow you to suddenly stop doing the things the keeps the death rate low.

They're morons that don't think things through. If we're going to look at this from a mere economic standpoint, citing a 98% survival rate is terrible considering the consequences and nature of the COVID virus, which again, is highly contagious and transmissible.

Just imagine 2% of your work force (or around there) dying upon each infection. Not just overall, but EACH TIME it infected someone. That's a continuous 2% loss run rate. That alone would be devasting to an economy. Secondly, we need to think about infection rates on survivors that are taken out temporarily from the work force. Just assume 10% of everyone infected has to be home from work in some capacity at each infection. And that's just not adults. Kids that are sick need to be tended to at home which requires parents to take even more time off. That's another run rate of jobs and economic loss on each wave that spikes. And lastly, if COVID were to have spilled over us like a wave our healthcare system would have been decimated and run into the ground. That alone would have caused even more loss and impact as a result of lack of access to stuff we are already dealing it.

Any way you slice it, their arguments are dumb and lack any nuance or thought put into it.

If anyone here has Rimworld, download this mod. And when a epidemic hits, do NOT impose any lockdown or quarantines.

Next, try one run where you do impose lockdowns and quarantines. Let me know how both colonies fare.

As a swede, I can assure you that not taking COVID seriously turned sweden into an international laughing stock, with our fatality rate from COVID infections being through the roof.

I call that complacency. We havent dealt with pandemics in our lives, so when we had to temporarily resign some of our freedoms. To slow down the spread of this virus, some people, went waaay overboard. Make it worse by having a cult leader more or less (accidentally) turning vaccine hesistancy into a mainstream political position. And bam, recipe for disaster.

Take a general spread of misinformation worse, when you have people try to use antiparasitics and antibiotics for a VIRAL disease. We have gotten to accustomed into emphasizing the cure, over protection. And this is a VERY disturbign sign. Not just because of the antibiotic immune superbugs, but also because of people who are immunocompromised in general, these anti-vaxxers are vectors for disease and could very well end up accidentally kill someone.

If COVID was an outlook at how society will treat future pandemics, we are in a VERY bad situation. And boy do we not learn, we are repeating the mistakes of the HIV pandemic all over again with the new disease.

5 cents says Dems took a shit ton as well, but that wont get attenion with Dem controlled media.

Just look at Rogans latest interview with zucker. Proof is in the pudding.

Are they complaining about other's get loan forgiveness? Then it's not the same thing.