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#1  Edited By Gatygun
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- Extremely weak leadership that basically is a ragdoll for china and anybody else really.

- Easily to destabilize with refugee's at the border that will create more and more problems over time for terrible sub human situations because they refuse to adress it which damages the reputation of the US so bad on human rights to the point nobody cares anymore about there standards or idea's.

- Endless loaning that will bankrupt your country sooner rather then later in dumpster it in the worst crisis ever.

- China steamrolling the brightest people US has to offer and insulting them and nothing they dare to say back because they will be labeled as racist ( woke regressive culture )

- China owning the US at this point, as nobody dares to speak out against them because they are all depending on them and the leadership is happy to continou this trent of this downward spiral.

- Communist propaganda machine that tries every day and night to keep there official in power which the most insane bending of reality. Honestly its just pathetic. And its on full display to see for anybody.

- US social media that is ruled by racist liberals, woke politicans, and cancer culture that basically regresses the country even worse to the point they don't even see it themselves anymore. It's so bad that even EU country's start to ban even scientific research from university's because its all propoganda.

- US media declining faster and faster in the world because of there degenerate content that nobody wants to relate with against what we had back in the day inspiring content that people wanted to move towards.

- Dehumanizing half of your population as sub human will work great for unity and strength and create more and more hate and divide your country, even more easy for china to outplay you on the world stage that give 2 shits about your wokeness and cancel culture.

- Hiring based on race/sex rather then skills, which will set you back more and more against country's that hire on pure skill. Regressive deplorable and facists / racists / sexists behavior that will bite you in the ass eventually.

- Fascists and Marxists and Racists openly calling for anarchy in the country and going as far they even lock there own blocks off from the society with government not even remotely daring to move in on it because they are afraid of being called a racist or it works for there liberal propaganda machine to keep that in place. And people are stupid enough to buy into it because that's how the rest of the world see's the US currently, dumb people that eat whatever trash they get thrown at them.

- Woke and a savior complex to the point they are becoming more and more facists every day through racists laws and racists culture they are created with anti white men to the point they won't hire white men anymore because they even put artifical quota's up based on race. Or fire anybody that doesn't bend towards there woke crowd which will create more and more race hate.

- Starting to indoctrinate kids in schools with materials that is all about race / sex and division. That will work well for your next generation that will totally not become facists because of this, hell its already working well for you guys over there right now. With your own city's getting burned down and city parts being taken hostage by anarchists.

The world see's this and honestly want nothing to do with it, the same as statue toppling.

- US is the laughing stock in the world, nobody takes biden seriously, dude can't even form a sentence without looking completely confused in the void to the point they lose all relevance on the world map. Hell even EU leadership laughed about the US because that second in command pleb had to answer the calls. Yet u call china or other country's and u get there leader within seconds.

- BLM / George floyd etc all heavily pushed in sport events that are not political at all which other country's and cultures also see which results in more and more rejection of the US involvement in anything.

- Dismantling sports entirely ( the thing that unites the people of the world ) on top of it on the world stage by accepting laws that allow transgenders to remove woman sports entirely from the world map something woman fought for forever.

- Regressive culture towards there own population where girls are no longer fine to be girls but all have to become men and men all have to become girls to the point, u will get unstable family structures and regressive family structures that create a lot of unstable kids and a new demography that will open up a road to hilter 2.0 fairly easily.

- Ruled by racists and sexists yet the whole liberal community backs them up which its on full display to anybody in the world.

- trying to defeat the internet which is the ultimate freedom enviroment by creating all kinds of barriers to control populations on it. It was always a problem the internet, because they can't control people's voices on it but they start to get the grip on it more and more to the point its getting locked into there toxic community.

- Push of there own culture through social media and populaire websites on other country's which won't even work in there own boarder to the point, people rather go somwhere else.

- Hyper focusing on problems of a single guy dying to a cop while spending zero effort or time towards a sport event where 6500 migrants die and happy participate into it.

- Hypocrites / dual standards / not following there own logic still basically being a 3rd world country with for many of its population, with there city's burning down and racist leadership that care all about whats between your legs and how white people are bad will push EU and other continents further and further away.

- Trump dismantling there relevance in nato and other organisations like who, results in the US falling more and more behind on relevance as coutnry's will need the US less and there relevance will also dissapear over night as result. Best thing biden can do is start to spend massively on militairy again and start to become the world police again its the only way for them to still stay relevant point, but eventually country's will turn on them by trying to get there country conflicted for the endless of war crimes they pushed. Which they are now imuum for as nobody tries to oppose them. If they weaken US future won't look good even remotely.

- Shit talking world leaders because he thinks its funny, will put relationships even more on hold with him and makes him a complete and utter joke to the rest of the world to deal with. Because you as country could be next if you don't fall in line.

China will take US its pie because the US is basically self imploding at this point on the world stage. Biden does more damage to democratic country's by the fact of his liberal regressive agenda he pushes forwards with his group of deplorable are anything but a example for other country's. Not being able to make a appearance without looking completely confused and sounded like it to the point u wonder why he's not in some retirement home while china moving so rapidly forwards that country's even in the EU themselves start to wonder if they still care about the US at this point.

Even the top people of this day age even Americans themselves that rule basically the free markets are all laser focused on china and so is everybody else in the world. US falls further and further behind because there is nothing of value coming out of them anymore to the point even the EU wants to start filtering US content from university's because its all propoganda bullshit that damages there own cultures while at it. that's how bad it is.

in short, we are experiencing the end of america.

Unless America starts to get its shit together and straight and move forwards instead of regressing more and more, america's future isn't looking to good.

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#2  Edited By appariti0n
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@Gatygun: I agree that the west in general is all sorts of messed up right now. Don't know if its as dire as you say.

Will respond more in depth after work. :)

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#3  Edited By Vaasman
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Cool wall of text blog bs.

It's certainly possible that America as we know it, the financial and military bully superpower, is on it's way out, but America isn't going anywhere.

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#4  Edited By judaspete
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Just a small piece of advice, you are more likely to get a decent discussion going if you narrow the focus to a smaller number of more directly connected subjects. What you posted is mostly going to get responses like the Jurassic Park "That is one big pile of shit" meme.

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#5 HoolaHoopMan
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@judaspete said:

Just a small piece of advice, you are more likely to get a decent discussion going if you narrow the focus to a smaller number of more directly connected subjects. What you posted is more likely to get responses like the Jurassic Park "That is one big pile of shit" meme.

Exactly ^^^ This isn't digestible and is all over the place. If you want to put your unorganized thoughts on paper a blog is a better avenue.

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#6 LJS9502_basic
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Started to read it but then got bored with the fear mongering and no facts. Try again.

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#8  Edited By Maroxad
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Ugh... here we go... By pretty much every objective standard, America is doing fine. It is seeing economic growth. It's political struggles are happening in the rest of the industrialized world as well, as the mainstreamification of the internet made echo chambers EXTREMELY accessible.

  1. So far US leadership has been pretty effective, but to be fair, we have only seen the political honeymoon. The fact that Biden got the vaccines out in around half of the projected time is a sign of excellent skill of Biden's Administration.
  2. Immigration issues, despite what the media is saying, is trending downwards. It has seen a spike again recently, but the trend for the longest time was that it was going downwards. It still is a problem, but the solutoin isnt being tough. It is being intelligent, and working with the other countries to deal with the problem. Stop destabilizing South America and ending the drug wars could work.
  3. Some debt can be healthy for the country's growth. But it is currently out of control.
  4. Define steamrolling. Why do they need to lash back. Is there material, demonstrable harm done with their insults? Being the better person is the much smarter solution here. No need to escalate war.
  5. Welcome to capitalism
  6. Which official? I had no idea Xi Jinping was being propped up.
  7. I doubt the social media platform owners care much about politics in itself. But advertisers DO care, because maintaining a good PR is still important for their job. Welcome to capitalism. Also Citation needed on the other part, what research is being banned? At most I know of Hungary's banning of gender studies and other stuff they dont like.
  8. US media and entertainment is as popular as ever. Gaming in itself, is inclining in revenue quite dramatically. Surely if Politically Correct games were so unpopular, they wouldnt continiously top charts and games like Hatred would be a smash hit.
  9. That is just the nature of a country with a sufficiently large population. Unfortunately.
  10. Yeah, there is unfortunately a lot of evidence still going on that people with Non-White names, are far less likely to get job interviews, same with women. But there is work to be done, and the discrimination seems to be lower than ever.
  11. US's reputation was in the toilet after they voted in Trump. Opinions around the world have improved since Biden got into power, I wouldnt worry too much. While you are correct that there are pockets abroad where Biden is unpopular and Trump is popular. These pockets however, are just that, small pockets and only represent a smaller part of a much greater population. Most of the world aren't right wing populists.
  12. While whites do face some racism. It doesnt even come close to the ammount of crap non white people are putting up with. Don't even try to pretend to be a victim here.
  13. Good news: the 1776 Commission was cancelled! :D
  14. Once again... Biden becoming president has done a tremendous job of improving America's reputation internationally. As a non-american. America became a laughing stock while Trump was in office. Pretty much the only places in the world where America's reputation didnt plummet after Trump got elected was Russia and Israel. I dont remember Biden being much laughed or mocked at over here in europe, but I do rember when Angela Merkel had to explain something simple to Trump 11 times. World leaders were laughing at Trump all the time, especially China, who were exploiting his complete ineptitude at geopolitics. Relax, the imbecile is gone, and Biden is now president.
  15. There is... nothing wrong with this. Athletes are free to express themselves wherever they like. What isnt ok however, was the massive PC outrage in where the easily offended, were upset about athletes taking the knee during national anthem.
  16. They are not accepting laws. These sports have been done own their own conditions irregardless of what the government is doing.
  17. Good. People are still allowed to adhere to gender norms and stereotypes if they so wish. But for people whom this lifestyle doesn't suit them, they are allowed to be something that reflects them, as individuals better. This is called: Freedom. There is no evidence for anything you assert, in fact, I recall finding a lot of evidence leading to the COMPLETE opposite conclusion. With sociologists even finding links in how repressive cultures lead to a lot of mental illness.
  18. Biden is sexist and racist. But so far, his policies are not really reflective of this.
  19. Agreed, Biden should stop his support for changing Section 230. But what one has to realize is that this will most likely be an issue with EVERY aging politician we have. If we want a more pro-internet politician, we will need younger ones, people who grew up with the internet.
  20. That is globalization (which is a part of capitalism) and as a non-American citizen. I would argue that it DOES work. Just look at Iranian Millennials and Gen Z.
  21. The issue isn't that one person died, that person's death was merely the last straw. Just because you don't feel it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Qatar is pretty far away, and most protesting in the US is likely to do jack all for what is going on in Qatar. Doesnt mean it is wrong though.
  22. Massive hyperbola. Cities are not burning down. I do agree though that culture war needs to stop though. But Culture war stuff is much easier to farm votes with than actual economic policy that actually helps people.
  23. America being the world police was a massive failure. It was a power structure, nothing more than that. America's military is already incredibly bloated as it is. As a foreigner, I much greatly prefer cooperative america, such as under Biden, Obama or Clinton over Belligerent America under Bush or Isolationist America under Trump. America is abandoning its isolationist policies, and gaining relevance again.
  24. Yes, Trump's belligerant attitude towards other world leaders cost america quite a lot.

China will become the dominant country. Not just because of their massive population. But also because their current leader Xi Jinping, as horrible of a person as he is. Is extremely cunning and skilled. Over here in EU, we use a lot of US literature for our courses. Say what you will of America's high schools, but their Universities are still top notch and deeply respected worldwide.

Biden is setting america back on the right track, but I dont think Biden, as derpy as he is, will be enough. It will take several terms to recover from Trump's disasterous administration.

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#9  Edited By Maroxad
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@judaspete said:

Just a small piece of advice, you are more likely to get a decent discussion going if you narrow the focus to a smaller number of more directly connected subjects. What you posted is mostly going to get responses like the Jurassic Park "That is one big pile of shit" meme.

I can abridge his points a bit, since he repeated himself quite a bit,

  • China is on the rise
  • Lack of Belligerent foreign policy from the US
  • Allegations of No one respecting America anymore
  • Allegations of world leaders laughing at Biden
  • Biden's bigotry
  • Political Division
  • BLM stuff
  • Culture war stuff: Transgender rights, Nonconforming Rights, Cancel Culture
  • Allegations of Racism and Discrimination against white people
  • Assertions that American Media is appearantly not being consumed worldwide

Not gonna defend these points, since they are all bad (save for the first and 6th one), but I wanted to abridge them to you guys, so you dont need to lose any brain cells reading this tripe like I did.

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#10 Nude_Dude
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I check gamespot about once a month, yup, still festering with altright scum. Cry about china some more I guess.

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#11 vl4d_l3nin
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Don't worry. We got a president who gets things done, except the occasional sentence.

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@Maroxad said:
@judaspete said:

Just a small piece of advice, you are more likely to get a decent discussion going if you narrow the focus to a smaller number of more directly connected subjects. What you posted is mostly going to get responses like the Jurassic Park "That is one big pile of shit" meme.

I can abridge his points a bit, since he repeated himself quite a bit,

  • China is on the rise
  • Lack of Belligerent foreign policy from the US
  • Allegations of No one respecting America anymore
  • Allegations of world leaders laughing at Biden
  • Biden's bigotry
  • Political Division
  • BLM stuff
  • Culture war stuff: Transgender rights, Nonconforming Rights, Cancel Culture
  • Allegations of Racism and Discrimination against white people
  • Assertions that American Media is appearantly not being consumed worldwide

So...every half-hour of Fox News, basically.

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#13 appariti0n
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A few things in no particular order.

On the point of "weak leadership": Seems too early to tell TBH. And I don't think it's fair to compare Biden's first 90 in office to Trumps, considering what each were left with when taking over. Trump was taking over a much more stable country than Biden was IMO.

We all knew China would catch up eventually. I do wish people weren't so afraid to call them out on their atrocities though. In Canada our Federal government had to have a little committee meeting to decide whether to call the treatment of Uighurs in China genocide or not. Concidentally, it was a motion put forth by the Conservatives, and was still widely accepted by most liberals, so at least both sides were able to agree on something. Not sure if the two sides in the US could agree on anything at this point.

Communist propaganda IS popping up, I just don't know how pervasive it actually is. Are a bunch of 20 something idealist commies really a threat? How many are real people? How many are just trolls who are bored? How many are KGB or CPC accounts designed to merely spread confusion in the west? Impossible to know with the anonymity of the internet these days. We do know for a fact that foreign governments routinely interfere in US affairs, as the US government interferes in theirs.

US Media is almost completely broken. This is the scariest part.

I've known for years that outlets like FOX news were blatant propaganda for the most part. Imagine my dismay, when I see other, relatively impartial news outlets decide to "answer stupid with more stupid" If you will. Great. Now we literally don't KNOW where we can get impartial reporting.

I'm hyper vigilant now about what our schools are teaching here. But to be honest, that should be the default behavior anyhow. If my kids' school tries to pull this crap, I'll be the first one to start a lawsuit, protest, petition, whatever.

Biden: On the one hand, it's completely irresponsible to spread rumors about his mental health based on his stutter or losing his place. If you go back, and watch his previous speeches, he has NEVER been a particularly good public speaker. I can't comment on how mentally sound he actually is, because at no point did I feel like he was subjected to the same scrutiny as Trump at his press conference. Hence he never really was forced to think on his feet and prove his cognitive abilities.

That being said, it's valid to have a concern about anyone as old as him being the President. That's simple pragmatism.

Transgenders in sports: Transmen, should be able to go right ahead and compete in mens sports imo. Transwomen, more studies need to be done. There is likely a way to make it an even playing field on the women's side, even with Transwomen participating, but we haven't found it yet. 1 year of hormone therapy has been shown to be insufficient to eliminate the differences entirely between men and women. I do not know if a transwomen who has never experienced Male puberty would be on a level playing field or not, as not enough data exists here yet.

"Ruled by racists and sexists"

Yeah, it's distressing that the response to what is perceived as "systemic racism" appears to be more "systemic racism, just in the other direction" in some cases. Fighting stupid with more stupid never works.

George Floyd: Clearly the straw that broke the camel's back, figuratively speaking. Regardless of what color he was, his treatment was deplorable, and massive police reform is warranted. There HAS to be better ways to de-escalate situations without resorting to that. I felt sick watching that video, and the sheer lack of fucks that PoS officer gave him. I can completely understand why black folks were enraged by that. Not condoning burning of businesses and some of the stuff that happened, just saying I can understand why some might feel pretty compelled to act out.

In any event, America is headed towards some pretty big changes I think. Not sure if it will be for better or for worse. Canada will follow suit with whatever patch America takes too most likely. :/

So what can people do?

Push on reforms that don't demonize anyone.

Education: How is it, that a school loses funding, for having students perform poorly on the SATs? Those are the schools that NEED HELP! Doesn't matter if it was a racist white dude who implemented this system before our time or not. Just look at what's broken and fix it!

Healthcare: Just make basic coverage free for any citizen/landed immigrant. Canada has been doing this since forever, and it works fine. Do you sometimes wait longer for non-life threatening surgeries? Sure! Small price to pay for not ever needing to worry if you're going to go broke fighting cancer etc. If it's really that big of a deal, keep a very small handful of private/for profit clinics to augment the public system, so those with loads of cash who want faster service can pay for it. Big deal.

Homelessness: Several communities have had success in moving homeless into tiny houses built at scale, supposedly promising results, in that the majority of homeless who were given a place to stay, ended up eventually getting jobs and re-entering the workforce. Not enough data yet, but seems promising.

All I got for now. ready for the "cool blog bruh" comments :)

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This is just more post election cope. “My guy lost so the ship is sinking.“

Grow up, kid.

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#15 JimB
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This is the end of America if you don't say the right thing you lose your job. If you disagree or offer a different opinion in public you lose your job or are ostracized. The military is on a lock down in order to purge it of military people who don't think right. The new wave in this country if you are white you are a racist, if you own a fire arm you are responsible for mass shootings. With the Covid epidemic the Democrat politicians used it to scrap the bill of rights. Because of s botched election the Democrats are attempting to take the control of the elections from the states with bill HR1. Which violate the constitution and the 10th Amendment. The country is trying to get back to normal yet we must all wear masks and social distance, many business still can't open, but the current administration is flooding the heartland with illegal aliens who have Covid 19. Yes this is the end of America, the last true American out take down the flag.

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@appariti0n: Finland has tested housing homeless people with great success for a decade I think.

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#17 Silentchief
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Wasting your time on this board. It's mostly far leftist.

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process. Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

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@silentchief said:

Wasting your time on this board. It's mostly far leftist.

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process. Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

The righties really have you guys trained.

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@silentchief said:

Wasting your time on this board. It's mostly far leftist.

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process. Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

If you consider everything left of supporting fascism for far left then I guess this board is mostly far leftist.

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#20 Silentchief
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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

Wasting your time on this board. It's mostly far leftist.

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process. Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

If you consider everything left of supporting fascism for far left then I guess this board is mostly far leftist.

The right doesn't support fascism. The fact you identify the right as fascist or if you ever considered Trump a fascist proves my point.

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#21 Silentchief
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:

Wasting your time on this board. It's mostly far leftist.

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process. Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

The righties really have you guys trained.

I love this classic I know you are but what am I argument. Most the people on this board share one brain. It honestly feels like you share the same thoughts. The reality is all your narratives are blown up with simple fact checks yet you keep peddling the same bullshit.

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@silentchief said:

The right doesn't support fascism. The fact you identify the right as fascist or if you ever considered Trump a fascist proves my point.

US rightwing doesn't support democratic election. This has been said out loud by Republicans

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#23 Silentchief
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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

The right doesn't support fascism. The fact you identify the right as fascist or if you ever considered Trump a fascist proves my point.

US rightwing doesn't support democratic election. This has been said out loud by Republicans

That's because the US leftwing view of a democratic election has changed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-vote-against-motion-condemning-illegal-immigrant-voting.amp

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@silentchief said:
@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

The right doesn't support fascism. The fact you identify the right as fascist or if you ever considered Trump a fascist proves my point.

US rightwing doesn't support democratic election. This has been said out loud by Republicans

That's because the US leftwing view of a democratic election has changed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-vote-against-motion-condemning-illegal-immigrant-voting.amp

From your own source:

Federal law already prohibits non-citizens from voting in elections for federal office.

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#25  Edited By Silentchief
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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:
@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

The right doesn't support fascism. The fact you identify the right as fascist or if you ever considered Trump a fascist proves my point.

US rightwing doesn't support democratic election. This has been said out loud by Republicans

That's because the US leftwing view of a democratic election has changed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-vote-against-motion-condemning-illegal-immigrant-voting.amp

From your own source:

Federal law already prohibits non-citizens from voting in elections for federal office.

Yes, but certain states where it would be an issue make it impossible to track. For what reason would Democrats have to not vote for this?

They are already trying to get them to vote in local elections

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893221

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@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:

Wasting your time on this board. It's mostly far leftist.

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process. Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

The righties really have you guys trained.

I love this classic I know you are but what am I argument. Most the people on this board share one brain. It honestly feels like you share the same thoughts. The reality is all your narratives are blown up with simple fact checks yet you keep peddling the same bullshit.

It's not an I know you are argument. You parrot propaganda.

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@silentchief said:

Yes, but certain states where it would be an issue make it impossible to track. For what reason would Democrats have to not vote for this?

They are already trying to get them to vote in local elections

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893221

Fearmongering

San Francisco this week began allowing undocumented immigrants to register to vote in school board races

Voting in state and federal election requires being registered to vote, which rules out undocumented immigrants.

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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

Yes, but certain states where it would be an issue make it impossible to track. For what reason would Democrats have to not vote for this?

They are already trying to get them to vote in local elections

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna893221

Fearmongering

San Francisco this week began allowing undocumented immigrants to register to vote in school board races

Voting in state and federal election requires being registered to vote, which rules out undocumented immigrants.

Not at all. How would they know when no ID is required?

And Illegals shouldn't be voting in school board elections either? The should have 0 input on any level.

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This is just more post election cope. “My guy lost so the ship is sinking.“

Grow up, kid.

Which is odd because we do better with Dems in charge, on average.

This seems like a "muh hurt feelings" thread rather than anything with substance. Link some studies TC, tell us what you're actually talking about becuase I read mostly subjective mumbo jumbo.

@silentchief said:

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process.

I'm not sure what your criteria for "ass kicked" is. But the economy does better under Democrats and Democrat run areas have a much higher average HDI and QOL.

Are you talking about "muh culture wars" nonsense? Surely you aren't talking about the actually important data I just spoke about.

@silentchief said:

Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

You mean far right? That's far worse going by the data.

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@silentchief said:

Not at all. How would they know when no ID is required?

And Illegals shouldn't be voting in school board elections either? The should have 0 input on any level.

You can vote without being a registered voter(where this is required)?

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@zaryia said:
@Baconstrip78 said:

This is just more post election cope. “My guy lost so the ship is sinking.“

Grow up, kid.

Which is odd because we do better with Dems in charge, on average.

This seems like a "muh hurt feelings" thread rather than anything with substance. Link some studies TC, tell us what you're actually talking about becuase I read mostly subjective mumbo jumbo.

@silentchief said:

Yes America is going to get their ass kicked and the Biden administration along with our weak liberals will speed up the process.

I'm not sure what your criteria for "ass kicked" is. But the economy does better under Democrats and Democrat run areas have a much higher average HDI and QOL.

Are you talking about "muh culture wars" nonsense? Surely you aren't talking about the actually important data I just spoke about.

@silentchief said:

Unless the pendulum swings the other way we are screwed.

You mean far right? That's far worse going by the data.

Did you seriously bring up outdated HDI stats in comparing us to China?

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2021/01/26/president-biden-shouldnt-replace-military-strength-with-diplomacy/

How about not weakening are military?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/05/china/china-world-biggest-navy-intl-hnk-ml-dst/index.html

Or securing are southern boarder

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1260992

How is that helping us?

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@appariti0n: Finland has tested housing homeless people with great success for a decade I think.

Yeah, and the Nordic countries are often held up as an example of high functioning social safety nets. Like Canada, but better.

But then you look at the ethnicity/religion of everyone there, and begin to wonder if that's even possible with the division we have in the west.

I think for countries to function period, there need to be common values that supersede any tribalist views. In the past, it was Christianity, Patriotism, Racist views widely held against other nations like Russia during the cold war, China, etc.

Now we appear to be struggling with what to unite under. Black lives matter? Fixing climate change? Education reform? Minimum Wage? Homelessness (Hopelessness)?

And there are way too many politicians and members of the media now, that I believe don't give two shits about any of the above, they'll latch on to whatever is controversial and generates attention. Whether it's good for society or not.

If I had to pick 2 though, I would try to pick Climate change, and Education reform, in that order. The country needs all of it's citizens, regardless of ethnic background to get a high quality education. But that really doesn't matter if Climate change isn't addressed LOL.

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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

Not at all. How would they know when no ID is required?

And Illegals shouldn't be voting in school board elections either? The should have 0 input on any level.

You can vote without being a registered voter(where this is required)?

They have no way to verify who you are. No type of ID is required. Again why are we allowing them to vote on school boards if there not here legally?

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@appariti0n said:
@horgen said:

@appariti0n: Finland has tested housing homeless people with great success for a decade I think.

Yeah, and the Nordic countries are often held up as an example of high functioning social safety nets. Like Canada, but better.

But then you look at the ethnicity/religion of everyone there, and begin to wonder if that's even possible with the division we have in the west.

I think for countries to function period, there need to be common values that supersede any tribalist views. In the past, it was Christianity, Patriotism, Racist views widely held against other nations like Russia during the cold war, China, etc.

Now we appear to be struggling with what to unite under. Black lives matter? Fixing climate change? Education reform? Minimum Wage? Homelessness (Hopelessness)?

And there are way too many politicians and members of the media now, that I believe don't give two shits about any of the above, they'll latch on to whatever is controversial and generates attention. Whether it's good for society or not.

If I had to pick 2 though, I would try to pick Climate change, and Education reform, in that order. The country needs all of it's citizens, regardless of ethnic background to get a high quality education. But that really doesn't matter if Climate change isn't addressed LOL.

People who want to see division see division. Or are you saying people different than you don't deserve help?

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@silentchief said:
@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

Not at all. How would they know when no ID is required?

And Illegals shouldn't be voting in school board elections either? The should have 0 input on any level.

You can vote without being a registered voter(where this is required)?

They have no way to verify who you are. No type of ID is required. Again why are we allowing them to vote on school boards if there not here legally?

Because that is their law and they have a right to make their laws. Also you have to be registered to vote for federal/state/city in some cases. So give me examples of legally registered voters that arrive to vote and are told they already have voted and they cannot.

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@silentchief said:
@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

Not at all. How would they know when no ID is required?

And Illegals shouldn't be voting in school board elections either? The should have 0 input on any level.

You can vote without being a registered voter(where this is required)?

They have no way to verify who you are. No type of ID is required. Again why are we allowing them to vote on school boards if there not here legally?

Answer the question.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@appariti0n said:
@horgen said:

@appariti0n: Finland has tested housing homeless people with great success for a decade I think.

Yeah, and the Nordic countries are often held up as an example of high functioning social safety nets. Like Canada, but better.

But then you look at the ethnicity/religion of everyone there, and begin to wonder if that's even possible with the division we have in the west.

I think for countries to function period, there need to be common values that supersede any tribalist views. In the past, it was Christianity, Patriotism, Racist views widely held against other nations like Russia during the cold war, China, etc.

Now we appear to be struggling with what to unite under. Black lives matter? Fixing climate change? Education reform? Minimum Wage? Homelessness (Hopelessness)?

And there are way too many politicians and members of the media now, that I believe don't give two shits about any of the above, they'll latch on to whatever is controversial and generates attention. Whether it's good for society or not.

If I had to pick 2 though, I would try to pick Climate change, and Education reform, in that order. The country needs all of it's citizens, regardless of ethnic background to get a high quality education. But that really doesn't matter if Climate change isn't addressed LOL.

People who want to see division see division. Or are you saying people different than you don't deserve help?

Interesting. Then why didn't I see such division 10 years ago? 20? 30? Is it because I suddenly developed an appetite to see division in my old age?

Everyone deserves help. I'm merely stating that one can't hold up the Nordic countries as an example of things going right, when they do not have the same demographic as us. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Not saying we shouldn't learn from what they do.

If we want the kind of harmony enjoyed by those countries, we need shared values that people of all colors can unite behind. Otherwise, we end up with Tribalism.

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@appariti0n: It was there. The 90s were famous for it.

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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:
@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

Not at all. How would they know when no ID is required?

And Illegals shouldn't be voting in school board elections either? The should have 0 input on any level.

You can vote without being a registered voter(where this is required)?

They have no way to verify who you are. No type of ID is required. Again why are we allowing them to vote on school boards if there not here legally?

Answer the question.

It is illegal but possible. Much like you're not allowed to murder are sell drugs yet it still happens.

So now answer the question, why are Illegals being allowed to vote for school board positions?

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@mattbbpl: Right, Rodney King happened in '91, so that would make sense.

Maybe I need to be more clear when I write from the perspective of someone who isn't an American. My apologies.

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It is illegal but possible. Much like you're now allowed to murder are sell drugs yet it still happens.

So now answer the question, why are Illegals being allowed to vote for school board positions?

The new provision in San Francisco, which voters approved in a 2016 referendum, expires after 2022 unless the city decides to extend it. Noncitizens, including those without legal status, can vote only in school board races and only if they are parents, legal guardians, or caregivers to children under the age of 19.

"It's nice that it gives people a voice in a community, but if they try to vote in a federal election they can be deported," Siskind said. "There needs to be some education happening to make sure they understand the difference."

So it is testing... And given

widely regarded as the principal democratic body capable of representing citizens in local education decisions.

Source

So it makes more sense than some the other voting laws found in US....

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@appariti0n said:
@horgen said:

@appariti0n: Finland has tested housing homeless people with great success for a decade I think.

Yeah, and the Nordic countries are often held up as an example of high functioning social safety nets. Like Canada, but better.

But then you look at the ethnicity/religion of everyone there, and begin to wonder if that's even possible with the division we have in the west.

I think for countries to function period, there need to be common values that supersede any tribalist views. In the past, it was Christianity, Patriotism, Racist views widely held against other nations like Russia during the cold war, China, etc.

Now we appear to be struggling with what to unite under. Black lives matter? Fixing climate change? Education reform? Minimum Wage? Homelessness (Hopelessness)?

And there are way too many politicians and members of the media now, that I believe don't give two shits about any of the above, they'll latch on to whatever is controversial and generates attention. Whether it's good for society or not.

If I had to pick 2 though, I would try to pick Climate change, and Education reform, in that order. The country needs all of it's citizens, regardless of ethnic background to get a high quality education. But that really doesn't matter if Climate change isn't addressed LOL.

I believe some US City did this, or maybe it was some research firm that had tested this and showed it to be a tremendous success even in the USA.

And no, the Homogenous argument doesnt really hold up to reality.

Here in Sweden, while a good ammount of us are registered in the Church of sweden, when asked directly, most flat out say they are atheists. I run into more pious muslims than I do pious christians as a matter of fact. People love mocking the church. Most of us just dont care enough to deregister or something. At least that is what I gather from anecdotal experience.

Racially we are not exactly homogenous either. From the perspective of an American, we may seem homogenous. But how america divides its ethnicities up is an American thing. Here in sweden, we divide people's ethnicities differently, and let me tell you. There has been quite a bit of turmoil, with The Sweden Democrats even trying to undermine the rights of indigenous populations. That is the third biggest party.

Now I do America is more divided than Sweden, But that is not because of ethnic differences, but rather because of just how vast america is, as well as how volatile its history has been. And different economic needs.

Now there is the extra difficulty of more sprawl. But the homogenity argument simply put... doesnt hold up. Why would it?

To further solidify my point.

When I saw the races in Fallout 3, I was really confused. To me as a Swede, they seemed super arbitary at the time. Likewise, I could bring up ethnic differences here in Sweden, and odds are, you would also notice just how how arbitrary those are.

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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

It is illegal but possible. Much like you're now allowed to murder are sell drugs yet it still happens.

So now answer the question, why are Illegals being allowed to vote for school board positions?

The new provision in San Francisco, which voters approved in a 2016 referendum, expires after 2022 unless the city decides to extend it. Noncitizens, including those without legal status, can vote only in school board races and only if they are parents, legal guardians, or caregivers to children under the age of 19.

"It's nice that it gives people a voice in a community, but if they try to vote in a federal election they can be deported," Siskind said. "There needs to be some education happening to make sure they understand the difference."

So it is testing... And given

widely regarded as the principal democratic body capable of representing citizens in local education decisions.

Source

So it makes more sense than some the other voting laws found in US....

As I said Illegals shouldn't be making any decisions. They shouldn't be here until they go through the proper steps.

I find it funny Democrats act as if their all about democracy yet ignore the fact that the elections are heavily influenced by $$ in which the Republicans are massively out spent. Should multi billion dollar companies determine are elections?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1239830

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It's easy to read the headlines and think the end is near--for anything, really--but if you actually spent some time any where and walked around you'd see shit is OK. Not great, could be better...but OK.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Started to read it but then got bored with the fear mongering and no facts. Try again.

Same.

@Maroxad said:
@appariti0n said:
@horgen said:

@appariti0n: ...

...

...

When I saw the races in Fallout 3, I was really confused. To me as a Swede, they seemed super arbitrary at the time. Likewise, I could bring up ethnic differences here in Sweden, and odds are, you would also notice just how how arbitrary those are.

Yeah it seems arbitrary because identifying by race is silly and in and of itself arbitrary by nature. We are all mutts at this point, all blends of different races or ethnic groups or what have you.

But in the US, you've got white people, you've got Hispanics (and honestly when most people hear this word, they think "Mexican" though really it is a lot of different places), you've got black people, and you have Asians. Obviously there's more to it and, as I said, it's stupid to identify by race anyway, but there it is.

In Sweden, well...I don't know what your "big four" would be as far as races. White people, black people, mid-easterners, and ?

I don't know. The whole thing is dumb. Half the people I saw today were Hispanic. When I was a cook, I was the only white dude in the kitchen. Doesn't matter, don't care. Just live your life.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

It's easy to read the headlines and think the end is near--for anything, really--but if you actually spent some time any where and walked around you'd see shit is OK. Not great, could be better...but OK.

@LJS9502_basic said:

Started to read it but then got bored with the fear mongering and no facts. Try again.

Same.

@Maroxad said:
@appariti0n said:
@horgen said:

@appariti0n: ...

...

...

When I saw the races in Fallout 3, I was really confused. To me as a Swede, they seemed super arbitrary at the time. Likewise, I could bring up ethnic differences here in Sweden, and odds are, you would also notice just how how arbitrary those are.

Yeah it seems arbitrary because identifying by race is silly and in and of itself arbitrary by nature. We are all mutts at this point, all blends of different races or ethnic groups or what have you.

But in the US, you've got white people, you've got Hispanics (and honestly when most people hear this word, they think "Mexican" though really it is a lot of different places), you've got black people, and you have Asians. Obviously there's more to it and, as I said, it's stupid to identify by race anyway, but there it is.

In Sweden, well...I don't know what your "big four" would be as far as races. White people, black people, mid-easterners, and ?

I don't know. The whole thing is dumb. Half the people I saw today were Hispanic. When I was a cook, I was the only white dude in the kitchen. Doesn't matter, don't care. Just live your life.

Ethnicities would include Nordics, Samis, Western Europeans, Eastern Europeans (who use to face a lot of bigotry in the past), Middle Easterners, Russians, Africans, Indians, Thaiwanese, Romani.

To us, someone from Spain is as different to us as someone from Italy or Poland is. Of course, there are larger divisions between us and say, non-western ethnicities however.

As you can probably , there are a lot of ethnic splitting within what you would consider white people. The concept of race and ethnicity can only exist when there is an "other". And if there is no other, they will find one, amongst themselves.

Edit: Of course divisions don't stop there. Swedes of the same ethnicity will still bicker like crazy with each other, due to geosocial differences. People in Blekinge Mocking those from Skåne, Dalarna or Stockholmers, and vice versa. Due to cultural differences between them all. Unfortunately, people will latch onto any excuse to divide.

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Yeah, I’m not reading all that. Break it down a bit.

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@Maroxad said:

Edit: Of course divisions don't stop there. Swedes of the same ethnicity will still bicker like crazy with each other, due to geosocial differences. People in Blekinge Mocking those from Skåne, Dalarna or Stockholmers, and vice versa. Due to cultural differences between them all. Unfortunately, people will latch onto any excuse to divide.

It isn't mocking when those make themselves impossible to understand :P

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@silentchief said:

I find it funny Democrats act as if their all about democracy yet ignore the fact that the elections are heavily influenced by $$ in which the Republicans are massively out spent. Should multi billion dollar companies determine are elections?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1239830

Rural US is heavily overrepresented. And according to US SC yes money is free speech.

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@horgen said:
@silentchief said:

I find it funny Democrats act as if their all about democracy yet ignore the fact that the elections are heavily influenced by $$ in which the Republicans are massively out spent. Should multi billion dollar companies determine are elections?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1239830

Rural US is heavily overrepresented. And according to US SC yes money is free speech.

Over 75 million people voted republican and the Democrats have the house, senate and Presidency. No I wouldn't say their over represented.