Teachers Union Admits to Teaching K-12 Kids How to be Racist

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@LJS9502_basic said:
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@LJS9502_basic: And I feel that emphasizing human qualities we all share, rather than pointing out race or privilege, are far better at undermining racism.

Someone taught at home to be a racist isn't going to care about any of that. Education shouldn't bother anyone.

Education? Sure.

This is indoctrination though.

Plus, why do you assume someone taught to be racist at home will wholeheartedly embrace it anyhow?

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#302 appariti0n
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@HoolaHoopMan: "Proven" to me would mean that something similar has been implemented somewhere else, with at least somewhat similar societies, with a measurable reduction in racism, hate crimes, hate speech etc, after a certain period of time teaching it.

Until then, it's a social experiment, with our kids as the unwitting test subjects as far as I'm concerned.

Let me bring it back a notch. You indicated that we shouldn't be teaching things that haven't been 'proven'. 'Proven' is a fairly open ended term that really doesn't apply to the realm of STEM fields, since the methodology used to teach doesn't rely on a platform of 'provability'.

For example I could say please 'prove gravity' to me. You'd think it's an easy thing to do, but you'll soon realize that gravity is still a theory and has plenty of holes in it with respect to physics and combability with quantum mechanics. Knowing this, should we discontinue the teaching of general relativity and gravitation law given that we cannot fully 'prove' that gravity is a real thing?

That's kind of a false equivalency though, as we have more than enough mathematical proofs of gravity and it's effects existing in exactly the way we all believe it does.

The same cannot be said for either:

a) the reason(s) racism still exists

b) the outcomes of teaching C.R.A.P. to kids

It's quite hilarious, because other than mono-race societies which have no mixing of races in the first place, you'd be hard pressed to find a less racist or bigoted place than North America as a whole. Outliers like some places in the deep south notwithstanding.

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@appariti0n said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

Let me bring it back a notch. You indicated that we shouldn't be teaching things that haven't been 'proven'. 'Proven' is a fairly open ended term that really doesn't apply to the realm of STEM fields, since the methodology used to teach doesn't rely on a platform of 'provability'.

For example I could say please 'prove gravity' to me. You'd think it's an easy thing to do, but you'll soon realize that gravity is still a theory and has plenty of holes in it with respect to physics and combability with quantum mechanics. Knowing this, should we discontinue the teaching of general relativity and gravitation law given that we cannot fully 'prove' that gravity is a real thing?

That's kind of a false equivalency though, as we have more than enough mathematical proofs of gravity and it's effects existing in exactly the way we all believe it does.

The same cannot be said for either:

a) the reason(s) racism still exists

b) the outcomes of teaching C.R.A.P. to kids

It's quite hilarious, because other than mono-race societies which have no mixing of races in the first place, you'd be hard pressed to find a less racist or bigoted place than North America as a whole. Outliers like some places in the deep south notwithstanding.

I don't view it as a false equivalency. I'm simply trying to extrapolate upon given criteria you presented on what is appropriate on what is teachable. How does one 'prove' history then? The requirements you're laying out would be a disaster when it comes to defining curriculum considering 'proofs' are more or less a mathematical concept.

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@HoolaHoopMan: Well, if it was a mathematical phenomenon, the "proof" would be far easier.

It is however a social phenomenon, and as we know, social sciences are inherently far less rigorous with their proofs.

So maybe proof is the wrong word. Let's say at least "Strong evidence" would be as mentioned above, somewhere with a similar society implementing these teachings, and seeing a measurable reduction in hate crimes, hate speech, racially motivated crime, etc.

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@appariti0n said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Someone taught at home to be a racist isn't going to care about any of that. Education shouldn't bother anyone.

Education? Sure.

This is indoctrination though.

Plus, why do you assume someone taught to be racist at home will wholeheartedly embrace it anyhow?

You're believing the faux outrage of the far right now.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@appariti0n said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Someone taught at home to be a racist isn't going to care about any of that. Education shouldn't bother anyone.

Education? Sure.

This is indoctrination though.

Plus, why do you assume someone taught to be racist at home will wholeheartedly embrace it anyhow?

You're believing the faux outrage of the far right now.

Maybe. There is definitely a problem here, I think we just disagree on how widespread this is being taught.

My outlook though, is to nip it in the bud before it actually grows, rather than wait until it's a bigger problem.

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@appariti0n said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

You're believing the faux outrage of the far right now.

Maybe. There is definitely a problem here, I think we just disagree on how widespread this is being taught.

My outlook though, is to nip it in the bud before it actually grows, rather than wait until it's a bigger problem.

It's a college course. Not K-12.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@appariti0n said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

You're believing the faux outrage of the far right now.

Maybe. There is definitely a problem here, I think we just disagree on how widespread this is being taught.

My outlook though, is to nip it in the bud before it actually grows, rather than wait until it's a bigger problem.

It's a college course. Not K-12.

And hopefully it stays that way, with enough people being vigilant for its derivative principles appearing in K-12.

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Today in, "the Right is defining CRT as anything they don't like."

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@mattbbpl said:

Today in, "the Right is defining CRT as anything they don't like."

So Texas has an even worse understanding of CRT than the OP.

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@HoolaHoopMan: Never mistake the dishonest for the ignorant. The OP may be the latter, but TX legislators are likely the former.

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@girlusocrazy said:
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That is CRT in it's current form.

No, you might want to take one of those college/university courses. I'm not sure where you got those ideas! CRT would suggest the logic from your post is incorrect. You'd have to show me where it says that!

Thanks for using your own words, it doesn't tie into course material.

Video evidence says otherwise.

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#313  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@silentchief: Already been refuted in this thread

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@HoolaHoopMan: Never mistake the dishonest for the ignorant. The OP may be the latter, but TX legislators are likely the former.

I suppose you're right, but at a certain point I have to wonder if these politicians truly believe the lies they spread to their constituents. We're bound to start getting more Margery Taylor Greenes and Boeberts over time

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#315  Edited By vl4d_l3nin
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Make dem whities feel guilty as young as possible!

Meanwhile, in terms of actual education

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@vl4d_l3nin said:

Make dem whities feel guilty as young as possible!

Meanwhile, in terms of actual education

That Jennifer Harvey guy can kick rocks, what a disgusting braindead piece of crap

Why do all these chicks have hair that make them look like a middle school boy

Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

they always look like Max Keeble, some might say that's a stereotype but its one based in reality.

so much self hate

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@girlusocrazy said:

@silentchief: Already been refuted in this thread

No it hasn't and feel free to look a few post above me. You can't deny that those are coming right from a teacher.

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@vl4d_l3nin said:

Make dem whities feel guilty as young as possible!

Meanwhile, in terms of actual education

Lol and poof the lefties have left the thread.

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#319 Ghost_of_Phobos
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@mattbbpl: Doesn't the same bill dictates that the KKK should not be teached as being a bad thing?

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#320  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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No it hasn't and feel free to look a few post above me. You can't deny that those are coming right from a teacher.

I really don't see where the CRT comes in with that. Again, you switch between complaining about CRT and then showing random stuff that has nothing to do with it.

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@girlusocrazy: Thanks for showing you have no fucking clue what CRT is. You are even so clueless to call the links "random stuff" . Because teachers talking about how evil white people are now ,according to you is Just random stuff.

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Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

Recently i rewatched Starship Troopers. The scene where Michael Ironsides teacher character mentioned sth i never noticed before. Very odd. He says: "This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos."

A movie based on a 1959 sci fi novel.

Social Scientists. Social Quackery i find more befitting.

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@mattbbpl said:

Today in, "the Right is defining CRT as anything they don't like."

This was already debunked.

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@girlusocrazy: Thanks for showing you have no fucking clue what CRT is. You are even so clueless to call the links "random stuff" . Because teachers talking about how evil white people are now ,according to you is Just random stuff.

That's not happening. Don't buy into the faux outrage of Fox etc.

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#325  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@girlusocrazy: Thanks for showing you have no fucking clue what CRT is. You are even so clueless to call the links "random stuff" . Because teachers talking about how evil white people are now ,according to you is Just random stuff.

Apparently you just showed you don't, "white people = evil" sure as hell isn't CRT no matter how much gas lighting you and the fake news crew do.

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#327  Edited By HoolaHoopMan
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@palasta said:
@sargentd said:

Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

Recently i rewatched Starship Troopers. The scene where Michael Ironsides teacher character mentioned sth i never noticed before. Very odd. He says: "This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos."

A movie based on a 1959 sci fi novel.

Social Scientists. Social Quackery i find more befitting.

Do you understand that movie is satirizing military fascists states, right?

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@girlusocrazy said:
@silentchief said:

@girlusocrazy: Thanks for showing you have no fucking clue what CRT is. You are even so clueless to call the links "random stuff" . Because teachers talking about how evil white people are now ,according to you is Just random stuff.

Apparently you just showed you don't, "white people = evil" sure as hell isn't CRT no matter how much gas lighting you and the fake news crew do.

Why do you keep mentioning fake news? Wtf are you talking about. I'm asking you to address the multiple videos in this thread. If it's not CRT then wtf is it? Stop being an NPC for a moment and answer the question.

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#329 Silentchief
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@silentchief said:

@girlusocrazy: Thanks for showing you have no fucking clue what CRT is. You are even so clueless to call the links "random stuff" . Because teachers talking about how evil white people are now ,according to you is Just random stuff.

That's not happening. Don't buy into the faux outrage of Fox etc.

OK so if it's not CRT then wtf is it? We have posted multiple videos at this point. It is definitely happening I can name countless examples and post video after video. So if it's not CRT what is it?

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@silentchief: There's nothing preventing you from looking at each situation objectively rather than searching for some sort of broad brush. Certainly trying to fit it into labels where it doesn't belong is not going to help. If anything it would distract from any real problems and focus energy on something that won't solve anything. In this case, something that has not been an issue for decades.

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@girlusocrazy: Yea I'm sorry but you are clueless. I recently watched a video when students at a high school were given a study booklet about how America and its systems were built on white privilege for the purpose of disinfranchising minorities. That whites oppress minorities and heterosexuals oppress queer and non binary people. The fact that this is now being taught in school is what we are talking about and falls under the umbrella of CRT.

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#332  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@silentchief: We know, everything falls under CRT according to you 😂 See my above post

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@silentchief: Ah yes the videos. Give me a break. Also stop thinking everything is CRT.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@palasta said:
@sargentd said:

Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

Recently i rewatched Starship Troopers. The scene where Michael Ironsides teacher character mentioned sth i never noticed before. Very odd. He says: "This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos."

A movie based on a 1959 sci fi novel.

Social Scientists. Social Quackery i find more befitting.

Do you understand that movie is satirizing military fascists states, right?

I understand more than you ever will.

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@palasta said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@palasta said:
@sargentd said:

Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

Recently i rewatched Starship Troopers. The scene where Michael Ironsides teacher character mentioned sth i never noticed before. Very odd. He says: "This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos."

A movie based on a 1959 sci fi novel.

Social Scientists. Social Quackery i find more befitting.

Do you understand that movie is satirizing military fascists states, right?

I understand more than you ever will.

Sure, Champ.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@palasta said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@palasta said:
@sargentd said:

Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

Recently i rewatched Starship Troopers. The scene where Michael Ironsides teacher character mentioned sth i never noticed before. Very odd. He says: "This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos."

A movie based on a 1959 sci fi novel.

Social Scientists. Social Quackery i find more befitting.

Do you understand that movie is satirizing military fascists states, right?

I understand more than you ever will.

Sure, Champ.

love this conversation, agree on starship troopers.

great flick btw

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Damn, this shit thread is still going?

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#338 palasta
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@HoolaHoopMan said:
@palasta said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
@palasta said:
@sargentd said:

Why is it always feminists lesbians being the first to push this crap

Recently i rewatched Starship Troopers. The scene where Michael Ironsides teacher character mentioned sth i never noticed before. Very odd. He says: "This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos."

A movie based on a 1959 sci fi novel.

Social Scientists. Social Quackery i find more befitting.

Do you understand that movie is satirizing military fascists states, right?

I understand more than you ever will.

Sure, Champ.

Suresure. Or why do you assume i d to be informed that Starship Troopers is a piece of fiction? Sci Fi on top of that. 1984 is a parody/satire. What now? Tell me...

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#339 Maroxad
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@palasta: And what do you think Starship Troopers was criticizing?

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#340 palasta
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@Maroxad: Whaddoyamean? It's a rather lighthearted sci fi flick with no deeper, social critical message. A little nazi aesthetic to accentuate the evilness of military/militarism. Not much else there.