Steps you can take to combat climate change

It's a few thousand years too late not to make lasting changes to the planet just because we disagree with the natural cycle. What do you think all of our buildings, dams, alterations to water flow, etc. have all done? A large reason why the Sahara Desert grows so rapidly is human action. So if you want to oppose it, strip off all of your clothes, leave society behind, and go live in the woods. Otherwise, you're stuck accepting that humans are making lasting alterations to the planet's natural cycle.

And the reason why we want to get CO2 reduced is because it is a primary feedback to water vapor concentrations in the atmosphere. Global water vapor concentrations are the primary control over the planet's temperature, and if they're too high when cooling starts we'll rapidly slide into an ice age. Humanity won't survive that, and it'll result from humans changing the planet's natural cycle too much in the wrong areas.

the sahara desert has been growing for the last 10,000 years as we move away from the last glacial maximum, we're currently in an interglacial period (known as the holocene, defined by a period of warming and deglaciation).. if you want to see what the earth will eventually look like, look up the eemian period which was the last interglacial maximum before the last cycle of glaciation occurred

you know jack shit of the planets cycles, and no, humans haven't changed it, certainly not with CO2 which doesnt exist, nor has it ever existed in high enough quantities to effect climate since the evolution of plants, in high enough quantities on this planet to change temperatures

the reality is, and why this is politicized and why CO2 is the focus is political.. control CO2 through taxes and regulations, you control industry, control industry, you control the country.. on the flip side of that many politicians are invested in and/or own green energy companies, and received campaign money and lobbying from green energy corporations that profit when CO2 regulations raise the cost of existing energy sources... "climate change" as its pushed by people like you is strictly, 100% political and all about money

CO2 doesn't exist. Now I ahve heard that as well.

@burntbyhellfire What.

1. The Sahara Desert didn't exist 10,000 years ago. Thanks to the relatively-recent ice age, that area was fertile land with a lot of plant life. That's why the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians finally settled the area.

2. CO2 doesn't exist... I just... Is this feeling in my brain I'm getting what a drive error feels like in a computer?

But, you know what? The universe doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't care if we understand it. So, please, point me to the scientific papers that prove CO2 doesn't exist. I could always learn something new.

3. You have no idea what I know about the planet's cycles, climate change, or how much threat of extermination humanity is under if it doesn't get its act together and soon. But, please, tell me: How do the planet's cycles actually work?

4. Political? Dude, politics isn't my job and I don't care about it. I'm just here to watch, judge, and provide the occasional friendly hint. If humanity decides it wants to be exterminated, then oh well.

Anyway, where's your proof it's all about politics and that I'm here to play politics and not, say, some kind of representative here to judge whether or not humanity should be exterminated for being Too Dumb To Live and then replaced by a race of sentient beetles? I mean, what seems more likely to you?

To be fair to the person here. He actually didn´t say CO2 didn´t exist at all, he clearly specified

"in high enough quantities on this planet to change temperatures

you know jack shit of the planets cycles, and no, humans haven't changed it, certainly not with CO2 which doesnt exist, nor has it ever existed since the evolution of plants, in high enough quantities on this planet to change temperatures

I know the comma is puzzling but he used it as Interrupters or Parenthetical Element.

Which doesn't help his stance, and he still needs to provide proof of the claim.

Sure, and I do not agree with his arguments especially not when science has proven the increase in CO2, while you can argue that correlation does not imply causation, i am with the scientific community.

Just wanted to make sure people got that he did not say CO2 didn´t exist at all

it was an incomplete sentence, CO2 levels havent existed at high enough quantities for half a billions years or more to have an effect on climate.. once plant life came about the CO2 levels dropped drastically, and cannot reach those levels again.. 0.04% of atmospheric content is too low to have a greenhouse effect.. even when the planet has .12% of atmospheric content (1200PPM, the alarmists use PPM to make this number sound bigger, and scarier), it still isnt enough to have an effect on temperatures, it's just too small

not only are CO2 quantities WAY too low to have an effect, but the layer of the atmosphere in which CO2 exists puts it out of contention to work as a greenhouse gas, being heavier than both air and water vapor, atmospheric CO2 levels exist at much closer to ground level, well below the actually boundaries that trap heat meaning heat that reaches CO2, is already trapped anyway

this is why ice core samples going back hundreds of thousands and further have proven atmospheric CO2 levels change AFTER temperatures change, not before it, so if the planet gets warmer and CO2 levels go up, the CO2 levels climb BECAUSE of warming temperatures, no vice versa.. and this is all proven, verifiable science

again, the ONLY reason CO2 is being demonized is because its tied in with the competitors of the green energy corporations.. get a tax on CO2 passed, gas, electricity from natural gas and coal go up, making their products, wind turbines and solar panels, the byproducts of which are in many cases, actually toxic and harmful to the environment, more profitable.. thats why you see big green lobbying politicians to push the climate change angle, donating to their campaigns, advertising on their behalf, and why somebody like al gore used his position as vice president to put billions of dollars in grants into his own private green energy company, making him worth a quarter billion dollars today... its all about money and they couldnt care less how much your cost of living goes up as long as they are profiting

another piece of evidence that proves theyre in it for the profits of their own companies, and not for better, cleaner energy is their extremely anti-nuclear policies.. modern liquid sodium cooled fast reactors dont even have to be built on a water source anymore.. a reactor small enough to fit into a 2 car garage can power thousands of homes, the fission reaction requires the system to be active to generate power so in the event of damage, the reaction becomes inactive, making meltdowns pretty much impossible.. and the best part is while these old plants from the 60s and 70s can only make use of maybe 3-4% of the energy contained in a fuel rod, the new ones can make use of 95% or more.. that means in all those "spent" fuel rods we ALREADY have in storage are enough to power this country for hundreds, if not thousands of years with dirt cheap, clean, zero emission energy... the climate alarmists, of course, oppose this because it doesnt help their own investments in big green

so to sum it all up, no the world isnt going to end, no driving your SUV isnt going to hasten a change in climate, it's all about money, it always has been, and it always will be

#57 Posted by Jacanuk (18589 posts) - 3 hours, 17 minutes ago

@baelnergal said:

Which doesn't help his stance, and he still needs to provide proof of the claim.

Sure, and I do not agree with his arguments especially not when science has proven the increase in CO2, while you can argue that correlation does not imply causation, i am with the scientific community.

Just wanted to make sure people got that he did not say CO2 didn´t exist at all

which scientific community do you speak of? the thousands, and thousands of scientists who have debunked the idea that CO2 has an effect on climate on this planet, or hand picked few that make up the 97% consensus that didnt really exist?.. the vast majority of scientists have spoken out against it, they're not going to be represented on the news or in any studies that do not promote the myth... its amazing people still believe the alarmist lie, even when the major universities used to push the theory were busted in their own leaked emails in manipulating the data to fit the narrative

i highly recommend doing your own research on the validity of the claim that theres this great consensus in the scientific community, there is, but its not in favor of the alarmist bullcrap

Got any links with evidence to back this up?

Honestly people don't care and they won't do jack shit. They will be okay even if the earth heats up by 4 degrees Celsius as long as they personally aren't affected by it. Of course people on the coasts will be fucked as the ocean rises by a few feet. Then again, more people will just move in land and go on with their day.

its so easy to scare and intimidate you people into politically supporting a bunch of lying socialists, isnt it?

Basically.