Rush Limbaugh has died.

i'll take it

The Left launched Air America with Al Franken and Rachel Madoff. It lasted from September 2006 to May 2009 before going bankrupt. They could not compete with Rush Limbaugh. There is the proof is in the pudding what people think and like.

Or maybe there aren't really any radicals on the left like there are on the right? They were trying to go after an audience that doesn't exist.

I mean Michael Moore was listed by someone as an example of leftist extremism and one of his more recent films actually attacks the whole green movement.

Extremists on the right? They generally say things like democrats are communists, muslims should be banned from political office (if not banned from the country), tend to be bigoted white nationalists, and so on.

Sorry guys, I don't want to point fingers or anything, but hands down the extremists are all on the right. There's a reason the FBI, one of the most conservative government agencies out there, is concerned with terrorism from the right, and are comfortable letting local law enforcement handle the occasionally rowdy protest from the left.

I'm sorry that is absolute nonsense. Michael Moore for an example labeled people who voted for Trump as "Legal terrorist ". You have far left groups like Antifa that sport the Russian hammer and sickle on their flags and posters as they burn down cites and demand an end to capitalism. Not sure how many separate city blocks they need to take over( like in Seattle) or endless protest( See Portland) need to happen before you acknowledge they exist. Are the extreme right more likely to be on talk radio? Absolutely. But those on the extreme left could care less about radio when they can make movies and have their own TV shows. Radio is a dying industry and the extreme left is a younger audience.

If you honestly feel there are no extremists on the left it may because the extreme ideas now seem reasonable to you.

@silentchief: what entire cities have burnt down? who is hurt by seeing a hammer and sickle on a banner? what do we lose by discussing the negatives of capitalism?

I fully acknowledge the protests that are ongoing in the US (pretty sure I said so in my previous post) but it's not terrorism. I don't like it any more than you do and that short-lived CHAD zone or whatever they called it was dumb, but it wasn't inherently hostile. They didn't make it and kick out all the white people and Christians or whatever folks on the right think folks on the left dislike.

And yes, Michael Moore said that and it is terrible, but I don't see thousands or even millions of people rallying behind him in support. Do you know why? Because, just like Air America in @JimB's example, there is no audience for that nonsense like there is on the right.

@mrbojangles25: An entire city needs to burn down for it to be relevant? And you missed the point about the hammer and sickle. The fact is you lose credibility if you deny the fact that a large portion of the extreme left support communism. People see that and call them commies since they are wearing the symbol with pride. The same reason the left causes right wing extremist Nazi's if they wear Nazi symbols.

And Chaz wasn't inherently hostile? Tell that to the two people that died. They blocked off an area and blocked anyone out who didn't think as they did. They had a series of rules and demands that were between extreme and complete lunacy.

Again the audience on the extreme left exist they just spend there time on the streets instead of listening to talk radio. And they have no reason to rally behind one person when the vast majority of the MSM and media will gladly support their causes.

@silentchief: How large is the extreme left in US?

@silentchief: Pretty much everyone I know in my life is a progressive or at least left-leaning and they do not support the more extreme protests and thought the CHAZ was idiotic.

The very few right-leaning people I do know tend to say racist, bigoted, or hateful things.

Not a big fan of anecdotal evidence, but there it is.

Part of being in a free society is tolerating things you don't like...as long as they don't hurt you. Alleged communists are more amusing than threatening in American culture. And I don't really get the association you make of nazis and communists seeing as how nazis want to wipe out a group of people or multiple groups of people, and communists want to change the government to something dumb. Not an apt comparison.

Just because it happens and you see some support doesn't mean everyone supports it. At least on the left. I don't know if I feel the same way about the right, seems like a lot of people actually do support the batshit insane stuff the right tends to do.

@mrbojangles25: well that's part of your problem. You surround yourself with people that think as you do thus creating an echo chamber. I have good friends on both sides and none of my friends are white supremacists are neo Nazi's. They think the capitol riots for an example are wrong but are frustrated at the vast attention it gets. They also wonder why the MSM barely talks about far left protests and ironically enough most of my left leaning friends refuse to acknowledge that ANTIFA is even a group.

Tolerating things you don't like? The left is not the party of tolerance. I can give you a dozen examples of cancel culture to prove my point. You do realize the communist regime is responsible for far more death then Nazi's correct? So yes it is an apt comparison. The difference is Nazi's may straight up hate some one because of their race or religion while communist will make you support there causes and once you spoke against it you were either murdered or imprisoned. Forgive me if you think it's paranoia but when you have members of congress demanding former Trump aids be placed on a list so they can no longer have jobs or when you have elected officials demanding to make Trump supporters pay then what once seemed like a irrational fear now seems like a plausible scenario.

I'm not saying everyone supports it but there are extreme left ideas that have now gone completely main stream while extreme right ideas are usually met with universal condemnation.

That's hard to say.

@silentchief: I don't "surround myself" with people that create an echo chamber. My brother in law is a libertarian. My best friend votes for Trump. My dad was a 40-year government worker before he retired, and my mom a former hippie before progressivism and feminism was polluted by modern ideologies. I identify more with their values than those of the people that I am surrounded by. I like getting out of my comfort zone, and I listen to "echo chamber" podcasts like Pod Save America and half the time I am disgusted by them.

Which was sort of my point....that you seemed to miss, maybe? So let me repeat: even in an areas as liberal as northern California, I still don't find many people that blatantly and unconditionally support what is perceived as "radical leftism" by the right. I just had a conversation with my radical "burn the banks to the ground" coworker about how BLM is a double-edged sword that "cancelled" a business he used to work at (FYI he was pissed about it, not sympathetic to BLM).

So in fact, it's not really an echo chamber. It's more of a reality check, because you have people on the right saying there is this big looming communist threat and I just don't see it from where I stand. And where I stand is apparently in the middle of a state populated and run by loony left-wing fanatics....apparently.

Or maybe they're just such a small group they're simply hard to find...

Smaller than extreme right?

I honestly doubt that.

In US you doubt the extreme left is smaller than extreme right? Do you live under a rock?

@mrbojangles25: I don't "surround myself" with people that create an echo chamber. My brother in law is a libertarian. My best friend votes for Trump. My dad was a 40-year government worker before he retired, and my mom a former hippie before progressivism and feminism was polluted by modern ideologies. I identify more with their values than those of the people that I am surrounded by. I like getting out of my comfort zone, and I listen to "echo chamber" podcasts like Pod Save America and half the time I am disgusted by

I'm sorry when you mentioned most the people you know were either left leaning or progressive I got the idea that most the people you are close with share your world view

@mrbojangles25 Which was sort of my point....that you seemed to miss, maybe? So let me repeat: even in an areas as liberal as northern California, I still don't find many people that blatantly and unconditionally support what is perceived as "radical leftism" by the right. I just had a conversation with my radical "burn the banks to the ground" coworker about how BLM is a double-edged sword that "cancelled" a business he used to work at (FYI he was pissed about it, not sympathetic to BLM).

Again since we are using anecdotal evidence I do not know one person including myself that supports the capitol riots or the Charlottesville riots. You know why I brought up those two examples? Because those are the only violent far right protest I could think of over the last 6 years. Your friend is finally discussed with BLM? That's awesome it's about dam time. They literally have had countless riots and protests. I'm not kidding they have had more in the past 6 years then I can even remember. It's got to the point when a BLM or Antifa riot is barely news anymore. If the right was as active and caused as much destruction you would see more people speak out against it. But what's the point when the two events that happened over the last 6 years are constantly brought up and condemned.

@mrbojangles25: So in fact, it's not really an echo chamber. It's more of a reality check, because you have people on the right saying there is this big looming communist threat and I just don't see it from where I stand. And where I stand is apparently in the middle of a state populated and run by loony left-wing fanatics....apparently.

You have people on both sides saying things. You have people on the left calling Trump a Nazi( yes the guy with a Jewish son in law). I already lost count the times Biden and his cabinet have condemned white supremacy and their newfound commitment to make sure these domestic terrorists are eradicated. Thats nice and all but when the reality is you have a better chance of being killed by an animal then a domestic terrorist attack in the US. Meanwhile you have people on the left that throw the term Nazi and Fascists around so much its lost all meaning. You want a strong boarder? You're a Nazi, don't buy into white privilege? You're a racist. You can see these bat shit responses in the thousands on social media.

No I actually live in the US. You could take a trip to Portland and see thousands of kids in the streets that are far left. Again most people that actually show up to protests I would consider radical. The left has far more activity on this front.

@silentchief: I've been to a protest. Do you consider me extreme?

Thoughts and Prayers

Oh. The US does not have rocks?

Protesting police brutality isn't being radical. Wanting higher taxes on the wealthy when they pay less % than the working man, that's not extreme left.

Don't know enough about you but I do recall in another thread that you thought requiring an ID was voter supression. That is an extremist view.

Then it should be easy for you to name them.

Ah yes. The far right buzzwords. Congrats.

@LJS9502_basic: I've seen enough of your posting history to know that you are extreme left.

My guess is you don't live in the US and probably get all your news from left leaning sources.

No but wanting to defund the police and buying into the false narratives are. What they want will not be covered by just raising taxes on the wealthy. Free education for all, notion of white privilege, repreations, open boarders , eradicating gun rights those are far left ideologies.

Ps: I tried to edit my post and it deleted it so sorry it bumped the thread.

Not even remotely. But if you think that then you're far right.

Is it now? Despite the fact that we have written documentation from a major political party detailing how they use it to suppress votes?

@mattbbpl: How is providing proof of who you are voter supression?

@sheevpalpamemes: Read, man. I've stated the source, we've discussed it here at length prior, other users have mentioned why in this thread, it's all out there.

@mattbbpl: let me rephrase the question.

Do you think requiring ID is voter supression or the way the guilty parties that used it was supression. Are they the same to you or different?

80% of American's agree with it.

Even most Democrats support it.

@silentchief: And yet, a party is using it to strip minorities of voting power. Do you approve of that?

What is popular is not always right, and I will continue to maintain that those who try to strip minorities if their voting power are among the lowest of the low.

@mattbbpl: And that's called leftwing bullshit. Did I say only minorities need an ID to vote?

@silentchief: And we've already been through this in this thread with Xabiss. Read, people.

They don't want to educate themselves on the issue. Ever. It would mean their world view might change.

@mattbbpl: Yea I've read it along with multiple studies that say it doesn't restrict voting of any race or gender.

Regardless explain to me why Democrats won't condemned Illegals Voting?

This is normal behavior in your party.

@LJS9502_basic: I know, it's infuriating. They're going to go on happily oppressing people, insisting they're not but knowing they are.

Which one of those bullet points is used incorrectly?

In fact, I know you would get banned for saying some of them without quotes.

@davillain-: can you close this thread? It’s way off the rails.

Since we're discussing extremist and contrarian viewpoints, I'd say the far right has more of them.

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Americans are more likely now than at any point in the past five decades to support the legalization of marijuana in the U.S. The 68% of U.S. adults who currently back the measure is not statistically different from last year's 66%; however, it is nominally Gallup's highest reading, exceeding the 64% to 66% range seen from 2017 to 2019.

Estimated % of adults who think global warming is happening (72%), 2020

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Which is why the left usually wins the popular vote, and probably will continue to for at least a decade going by models.

I agree or am indifferent to most of those. So it appears I'm not an extremist.

I didn't say they were used incorrectly I said some if what he said is correct, for an example.

• Said that, during the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, the attack (the one where a woman was run over and killed) was provoked.

It was. They were surrounding his car and throwing bricks at it. Now once he got away he should have drove off but instead he went towards the crowd. Regardless I love how the media acted like a bunch of evil white supremacists were just beating up innocent people yet the reality was there were extremist from both sides causing a shitshow.

I guess that one can slightly be contested Was Driver Acting in Self-Defense? - FactCheck.org.

But nearly all of those bullet points appear to be completely true and un-defendable, so the posters point still remains.

Rush has said some really fucked up and despicable shit no matter what side you're one. I guess he's a extreme-right shock jock so that's expected, but in that case don't expect universal praise when dead or people to be polite.

To better understand Rush Limbach refer to the Matrix choice of taking the red pill or blue pill. That is what he offered.

Reading comprehension is key. Did he say it was in self defense? No he said it was provoked and it was. If people surround your car and throw shit at it that is a provoked attack. He could have got away with self defense if he ran over someone trying to get away but once he got away he ran back through the crowd which is what screwed him.

• Paved the way for the alt-right movement, which is generally focused around xenophobia, bigotry, racism, and regressivism.

That is a loaded point and not really true. For one the left classified just about any conservatives they disagreed with as Alt right including Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. They are less about racism and Xenophobia and more about free speech. The true members of the Alt right the guy who came up with phrase stopped supporting Trump around 2018 and even Voted for Biden. Funny the media missed that in 2020 but couldn't stop talking about him in 2016. Many of the so called alt right hate Trump for his unwavering support of Israel and Rush was a huge supporter of Trump.

Yes he said fucked up shit but that's what shock jocks do and people on the left say offensive shit like this all the time on national TV and nobody blinks an eye. The reason nobody cares about any of them is because so many of them do it and it's not even news anymore and any racism towards whites is met with indifference.

I said slightly for a reason. Reading is indeed key.

"But nearly all of those bullet points appear to be completely true and un-defendable, so the posters point still remains."

@silentchief: Just my personal opinion but I think shock jocks (along with many other people in positions like that) can motivate people to do terrible things. For starters, they reinforce existing prejudices. Second, they plant new and extreme ideas in people that had only moderate ideas prior to that; one day you're just a person thinking we need stronger borders, then a month later after listening to how immigrants are "murderers and rapists" every day you think it's OK to shoot people illegally crossing the border.

We need to seriously revisit our free speech laws in this country, and in particular apply limitations to social media, the media, talk show hosts, and so on. Call me crazy but I don't think you should be able to go up on whatever soapbox you have and tell millions of people that Republicans are terrorists, Obama is not an American citizen, and so on and so forth without consequence. I think we need to close loopholes so people can't say "No no no, I didn't say _ were terrorists...I said _ were like terrorists" or whatever.

That's what shock jocks do. People wanted someone to speak out at a time they felt they were being silenced.

Yeah and no one should be surprised if they don't get the best response after death.

Lol I'm not surprised.