Right-Wing Media/Conspiracists Have Begun Attacks on Parkland Survivors

I was always curious what the lefts solution to gun control is specifically AR15s. Should everyone that legally owns one be forced to turn it in?

Far right is very nuts.

@zaryia: It’s sad when you realize the people mentioned in the OP are part of the mainstream right these days.

This partisan sickness is disgusting. We can’t even come together in times of horror and mourning.

This isn't new.

They say this about every mass shooting.

Guns have always been dangerous. They are literally designed, built, and used to end life. Outside of hunting and recreational shooting, that's pretty much their only other purpose.

Not sure what you mean by "all of a sudden".

Violent crime is down, which is why school and mass shootings seem to stand out more. In the 90's it was gang violence (at least in my area); don't go into Oakland, CA, at night you'll get shot. Don't leave your door unlocked when driving in town, you'll get carjacked. Et cetera, et cetera.

Well, violent crime in general is down. So now we have to focus on the next problem--and it is a problem, and a huge one--which would be school shootings.

I'm just not sure why we are so opposed to admitting that this is a problem, and we should do something about it. We've had 18 shootings this year at schools. WTF?

@joebones5000: lmao you think the bloodshed is bad now? Wait untill the day comes when they siege weapons.

@joebones5000: Errrr no it didnt. They didnt round up ARs. And a liberal afraid of guns calling people sissies is ironic.

Republicans are sick in the head.

Republicans love conspiracy theories and blaming victims, so no surprises here.

We have a lot more school shootings now then we did when I was in school in the 90's, is all i'm saying.

@n64dd: fair enough, it certainly seems like it. I graduated high school in 2002, and Columbine--the "first one", though I am sure there were some before--was in 1999 iirc.

I don't remember hearing about school shootings before Columbine, so yeah definitely seems like it's a thing now. I mean I'd hear about some local punk bringing a gun to school, but that's it.

Personally, I think we should let kids fight. Schools are too strict these days and if someone is bullying you and you punch him and get suspended, that's better than being expelled as seems to be policy, and a helluva lot better than supressing your anger while getting relentlessly bullied until you pop and mass murder some people.

@mrbojangles25: Hate to burst your bubble, but there hasn't been 18 school shootings this year, but thanks again for letting the biased news brainwash you.

Also to the people wanting AR-15s banned, confiscated, etc, why? What makes that gun worse then all the others you can legally buy? Seriously I want to hear some actual answers here.

@vfighter: yes there has. You can't just arbitrary remove those that didn't result in injury or death or ones that weren't mass shootings.

not biased, truth. And don't make the mistake of thinking that because I am against school shootings that I want a gun ban. There's a middle ground here that neither side wants to see.

1 suicide

3 accidental discharges

8 with no injuries

7 with "intent"

to quote Snopes, acting the part of cynic:

Breaking Out the Numbers

As of Everytown’s 15 February update, the total number of school gunfire incidents in 2018 stood at 17. Using their numbers as a starting point, we’ve broken out all the known incidents between 1 January and 14 February 2018 into more detailed categories.

Firearm attacks during school hours: 7 (incidents resulting in injuries or deaths: 5)

22 January: Italy High School, Italy, Texas – A 16-year-old student opened fire with a semi-automatic handgun in the school cafeteria, wounding another student.

22 January: NET Charter High School, Gentilly, Louisiana – An unknown person fired shots at students from a vehicle in the school parking lot. One person was injured (though not by gunfire).

23 January: Marshall County High School, Benton, Kentucky – A 15-year-old student opened fire with a handgun on school grounds, killing two and injuring 18.

25 January: Murphy High School, Mobile, Alabama – A student fired a handgun into the air during a fight with another student. No injuries were reported.

26 January: Dearborn High School, Dearborn, Michigan – Shots were fired during a fight in the school parking lot. No injuries were reported.

31 January: Lincoln High School, Philadelphia – A fight during a basketball game resulted in the shooting death of a 32-year-old man outside the school.

14 February: Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, Florida – A 19-year-old former student opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle, killing 17 and injuring 14.

Firearm attacks NOT occurring during school hours: 2 (incidents resulting in injuries or deaths: 2)

20 January: Wake Forest University, Winston-Salem, North Carolina – A 21-year-old was shot and killed during a fight at a party on school grounds.

5 February: – Oxon Hill High School, Oxon Hill, Maryland – A student was shot and injured in the school parking lot during an attempted robbery.

Shots fired during school hours, unknown reason: 2 (no injuries)

10 January: California State University, San Bernardino, California – Bullets were fired through a window, with no suspects or motive identified.

8 February: Metropolitan High School, New York, NY – A student fired a gun into the floor of a classroom.

Unintentional gunfire during school hours: 3 (incidents resulting in injuries or deaths: 1)

10 January: Grayson College, Denison, Texas – A student fired a weapon belonging to an adviser, believing it wasn’t loaded. No injuries were reported.

1 February: Salvador B. Castro Middle School, Los Angeles – A semi-automatic handgun brought to school by a 12-year-old student accidentally went off. Four students were injured.

5 February: Harmony Learning Center, Maplewood, Minnesota – A third-grader pressed the trigger of a law enforcement officer’s handgun. The weapon went off but no one was injured.

Suicide attempts during school hours: 1 (resulting in death)

10 January: Coronado Elementary School, Sierra Vista, Arizona – A middle school student shot himself in the bathroom of the school and was pronounced dead at the scene.

Stray bullets hitting school buildings during school hours: 1 (no injuries)

4 January: New Start High School, near Seattle – Bullets fired by an unidentified shooter entered an administrative office. No injuries were reported.

Stray bullets hitting school buildings NOT occurring during school hours: 1 (no injuries)

15 January: Wiley College, Marshall, Texas – Gunshots fired from a vehicle in the parking lot of a college dorm entered through a window, but did not injure residents.

The problem is how we have our standards too high for "school shootings"; people think school shooting, they think Columbine-style mass murder. But that is definitely way too specific, a school shooting should be any time a firearm is brought to a school and discharged, or shot, or a gun is fired at a school, or a gun crime takes place on school grounds. A school shooting. But yeah, maybe a few of the above shouldn't count. But a lot more than five should.

According to the liberal bias stat counter:

Every time gunfire breaks out on school grounds, it can shatter a child’s sense that they are safe in their school and in their community. Tracking each of these incidents is an important way to measure some of the many ways that shootings affect children in this country.

Conversely, if you go by some other media outlets count, it's five, because they only count the ones that result in death. But that does not address the issue. If we only count the ones that resulted in death, then we are reactive to the problem. We need to count every instance of a gun being brought to school and shot (we should probably count every instance of a gun being brought to school and not shot, too) so we can be proactive. Talk to the kids that brought the gun to school before they kill themselves, talk to the people that bullied them, talk to the parents that somehow let their child buy a gun, etc.

But whatever, if I'm guilty of being brainwashed, so be it; at least I am not trying to diminish the issue and go "it's not 18! It's only been five! That's hardly any!" like some kind of monster. Let me ask you this: what number do we get to when we start doing something about it?

As for the AR-15, it's not worse than any other gun; the problem is who we are selling it to. I've shot AR-15s, they're fun, useful, and practical guns. My best friend goes hunting with his. A former school mate of mine has a sweet .308-chambered version he uses to keep boar off his property, and yes, you do need a gun capable of firing off shots rapidly when a boar is charging you (or five boars) contrary to what the hippies think. Half of my instagram feed are custom-made firearms (the other half is cosplay chicks and food :D ). There is nothing inherently evil about a gun, only the people we all but hand them out to.

@toast_burner: No there haven't. Its a number being tossed around on shootings that happen within a mile (I believe) of a school, not actual shootings in schools which is what they hope people like you believe. It's a bs number to scare the uninformed, nothing else.

I'm not in the group that thinks nothing should be done, but it's very odd that this a lot more prevalent now.

That's why I'm not so quick to completely blame guns. Something had to change.

There were shootings decades (and centuries) prior to Columbine dating back to the late 1700's. Did you ever hear about the "I Hate Mondays" shooting? Firearms are not some sort of new technology that never existed prior to the decade but people generally acted differently.

It's a violence/mentality issue. Weapons are just tools.

Columbine was not the first. Just the biggest at the time.

here are the facts and you can parse it how you need to

1. violent crime in this country is DRAMATICALLY down.

2. number of guns owned in this country is up.

3. it is easier to get weapons that are specifically designed to be more efficient at killing then before

4. it is easier to get paramilitary training including how to be a lone wolf in this country now then before as long as the group is not 'islamic terrorist'

regardless of if people are just simply more crazy or not, the FIRST thing one needs to do to re-program people is to remove the tools that are specifically designed to be highly efficent killing tools.

@joebones5000: Wtf are you talking about? The only time bush confiscated weapons was during Katrina. Little different type of person and a different type of situation.

Why? It's either a right or it's not. It can't be both.

Funny how to some it's shocking that hypnotically some students were coached to talk but at the same time it's perfectly fine that their elected politicians are being paid by the NRA.

And of course the inevitable seems to have occurred when people start spreading these kinds of conspiracy theories

Fla. shooting survivor's mother: We have received death threats

I think we can all hopefully agree that those who made those threats are 'pro-violence' (sorry I am having issue with people having issue with my term)

@LJS9502_basic: If you are actively robbing people in a Crisis situation then yes your gun should be taken. Thats what was happening to people in Katrina.

Someone who owns it and has had no criminal record shouldnt have their gun taken. And anyone who thinks that would happen without bloodshed is delusional. I hardly claim to be some unstoppable Rambo but the day the government trys to take my weapons is the day i will no longer be a law abiding citizen.

Citizens shouldn't have assault weapons.

@LJS9502_basic: If you know the purpose of it yes they should. Although i do agree stricter restrictions and harsher pennalties should be inforced.

The purpose of an assault rifle is too kill as many as possible in a short time. No they shouldn't.

@LJS9502_basic: Thats not true at all. The fact of the matter is it is the most practical gun you can buy in a crisis situation. Its far more effective then a standard hunting rifle for hunting. Its also far better for defense situations.

WTF are you trying to say? In regard to the Amendment the basic principle was the people had a right to form militias separate from the federal government. IE National Guard which belongs to the state.

It's also great for killing a whole lot of people as well. Just ask Stephen Paddock, James Holmes, and Niko Cruz.

Gun fanatics never cease to amaze me with their idiocy.

@drunk_pi: Paddock had an automatic weapon which is illegal. I agree with banning automatic weapons as they have no practicality. However the deadliest school shooting ever was done with two handguns. So this is a typical argument from the delusional left.

Ban AR's because they are to dangerous......well actually handguns kill far more people so lets ban those too.. well actually hunting rifles typically have a larger more deadly bullet so lets also ban those... yea lets just ban them all.

@drunk_pi: Name a few assualt rifles please, also what guns the people you mentioned used.

@LJS9502_basic: Sorry but i dont want to rely on the government or state when it comes to defending my home. Especially since gun control wouldn't stop a criminal from getting a gun. It may stop some random psycho(although he will find another way to kill someone) but if you think gang members or career criminals would be phased by stricter gun regulations you are delusional.

This is not new for the far right. Alex Jones called Sandy Hook a false flag. Some people are just disgusting.

its easier to get an AR 15 then it is to get lawn darts

You're not going to defend your home against either. That's unrealistic thinking.

right and for a multiple number of reasons.

the reason I like to highlight the most is that any gun that is easy to get to in case of an emergency is also easy to steal.

People think because they bought a gun that they are a bad ass in keeping it in their hands

@LJS9502_basic: You can speak for yourself.

@tryit: You can buy a biometric safe that opens with a fingerprint. Hearing people talk about guns who have obviously never shot are owned them is laughable.

and you are clearly going to carry that safe with you everywhere you go?

how are you going to stop a person from taking the gun from your hand in a micro second?

and exactly how many of these safes do you think the system is going to buy for teachers? please....i know people who have guns, they dont all have such safes

in fact...the first gun I ever held in my hand I found in my fathers closet by accident and nobody was home.

@tryit: No you would generally carry your gun in concealment. If someone disarms you with bare hands you are an incompetent putts who shouldn't carry a gun. And if it was so easy to dissarm people in a microsecond then why would guns be a threat in the first place?

You wouldn't need to buy it for every teacher just a couple competent ones in each school.