Racial resentments lead to climate-change denial among older white Republicans, study finds

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#1  Edited By Zaryia
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Well, this is interesting.

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/55b78278d99371/racial_resentments_lead_to_cli.html

Racial resentments lead to climate-change denial among older white Republicans, study finds

Deeply held beliefs about race and climate change are completely separate -- apples and oranges. Right?

You might think so, but a recent study at Indiana's DePauw University found that American climate-change deniers tend to be white and older, hold some racist attitudes and identify as Republican.

The relationship between racial prejudice and climate-change views is a recent phenomenon, the study concludes.

The opinions became linked after Barack Obama was elected president in 2008.

DePauw University political-science professor Salil Benegal, the study's author, says data indicates that the simple fact that an African-American president talked about the challenge of climate change and signed the U.S. onto the 2015 international Paris climate agreement resulted in "a significant number of white Americans deciding that they were done believing in climate change."

He calls this "the spillover of racialization."

Benegal reached his conclusions after crunching data from Pew Research Center and the American National Election Studies.

"I'm not trying to make a claim in the study that race is the single most important or necessarily a massive component of all environmental attitudes," Benegal said in a DePauw press statement. "But it is a significant thing that we should be looking out for."

Low IQ racists gonna be low IQ.

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Deeply held beliefs about race and climate change are completely separate -- apples and oranges. Right?

Uh... I don't see how one could possibly lead to the other....

The opinions became linked after Barack Obama was elected president in 2008... data indicates that the simple fact that an African-American president talked about the challenge of climate change and signed the U.S. onto the 2015 international Paris climate agreement resulted in "a significant number of white Americans deciding that they were done believing in climate change."

OK, yeah, I can see that.

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So many so proud to be so stupid.

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What a nice country.

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sooo does this mean they'll elect a black person who is a climate change denier over a white person who is fiercely pro-environment?

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This is hilarious. Good find.

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They see Obama as "the other". Anything he did, they have to do the opposite. In a petty attempt to ruin his legacy, they throw reason out the window.

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Curious what these racist attitudes are

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Not surprising when people that are ignorant and close-minded about race are also ignorant and close-minded about science.

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@Jag85: You mean like what the left is doing now? You mean like what ever losing party does?

Also most people who don't believe in global warming (aka climate change) do so because of Al Gore, not Obama. This whole thing is incredibly stupid.

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Pretty funny study, I got a chuckle out of it. Not surprised if true however, partisanship is a thing afterall.

@LJS9502_basic said:

So many so proud to be so stupid.

Anti-intellectualism is a scary thing indeed.

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@vfighter said:

@Jag85: You mean like what the left is doing now? You mean like what ever losing party does?

Also most people who don't believe in global warming (aka climate change) do so because of Al Gore, not Obama. This whole thing is incredibly stupid.

Ahh whataboutisms... you and Kittennose would get along so well.

Climate change skepticism has increased a lot during the obama administration.

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@zaryia said:

Well, this is interesting.

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/55b78278d99371/racial_resentments_lead_to_cli.html

Racial resentments lead to climate-change denial among older white Republicans, study finds

Deeply held beliefs about race and climate change are completely separate -- apples and oranges. Right?

You might think so, but a recent study at Indiana's DePauw University found that American climate-change deniers tend to be white and older, hold some racist attitudes and identify as Republican.

The relationship between racial prejudice and climate-change views is a recent phenomenon, the study concludes.

The opinions became linked after Barack Obama was elected president in 2008.

DePauw University political-science professor Salil Benegal, the study's author, says data indicates that the simple fact that an African-American president talked about the challenge of climate change and signed the U.S. onto the 2015 international Paris climate agreement resulted in "a significant number of white Americans deciding that they were done believing in climate change."

He calls this "the spillover of racialization."

Benegal reached his conclusions after crunching data from Pew Research Center and the American National Election Studies.

"I'm not trying to make a claim in the study that race is the single most important or necessarily a massive component of all environmental attitudes," Benegal said in a DePauw press statement. "But it is a significant thing that we should be looking out for."

Low IQ racists gonna be low IQ.

Consider the source before you take something as the gospel truth.

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@JimB said:
@zaryia said:

Well, this is interesting.

https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/news/erry-2018/06/55b78278d99371/racial_resentments_lead_to_cli.html

Racial resentments lead to climate-change denial among older white Republicans, study finds

Deeply held beliefs about race and climate change are completely separate -- apples and oranges. Right?

You might think so, but a recent study at Indiana's DePauw University found that American climate-change deniers tend to be white and older, hold some racist attitudes and identify as Republican.

The relationship between racial prejudice and climate-change views is a recent phenomenon, the study concludes.

The opinions became linked after Barack Obama was elected president in 2008.

DePauw University political-science professor Salil Benegal, the study's author, says data indicates that the simple fact that an African-American president talked about the challenge of climate change and signed the U.S. onto the 2015 international Paris climate agreement resulted in "a significant number of white Americans deciding that they were done believing in climate change."

He calls this "the spillover of racialization."

Benegal reached his conclusions after crunching data from Pew Research Center and the American National Election Studies.

"I'm not trying to make a claim in the study that race is the single most important or necessarily a massive component of all environmental attitudes," Benegal said in a DePauw press statement. "But it is a significant thing that we should be looking out for."

Low IQ racists gonna be low IQ.

Consider the source before you take something as the gospel truth.

When all else fails play the race card.

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Flawed study.

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@n64dd said:

Flawed study.

You have access to the full study?

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@Jag85 said:

They see Obama as "the other". Anything he did, they have to do the opposite. In a petty attempt to ruin his legacy, they throw reason out the window.

Ironically history will consider this administration to be a disaster for the country and the world.

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@horgen said:
@n64dd said:

Flawed study.

You have access to the full study?

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. You a gambling man? :D

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@horgen said:
@n64dd said:

Flawed study.

You have access to the full study?

He's just playing a character.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@horgen said:
@n64dd said:

Flawed study.

You have access to the full study?

He's just playing a character.

What is that character?

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@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

He's just playing a character.

What is that character?

LOL you know. Deep down you don't believe half the stuff you post here.

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@vfighter said:

Also most people who don't believe in global warming (aka climate change) do so because of Al Gore, not Obama. This whole thing is incredibly stupid.

Indeed, not believing in science because of your personal feelings on an individual is incredibly stupid.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

He's just playing a character.

What is that character?

LOL you know. Deep down you don't believe half the stuff you post here.

Incorrect.

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It's sad that climate change even has to be a political issue.

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#25  Edited By Zaryia
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@blackhairedhero can you disprove this specific study? I would prefer a peer reviewed and published study that shows these results (or similar results) are potentially false.

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@zaryia: I would need more details from the study. For an example if racism is linked to low IQ what do they define as racism?

Also you are ignoring my citation that the left is indeed more likely to be snowflakes. You asked for it, I provided it and now you're ignoring it.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia: I would need more details from the study.

You can't access the full study? Use your college library.

The peer reviewed study is not automatically invalid because a random guy on the internet said so. That just isn't how this works.

@blackhairedhero said:

Also you are ignoring my citation that the left is indeed more likely to be snowflakes. You asked for it, I provided it and now you're ignoring it.

Strawman. I ignored it because never made this claim nor did I ask for such citation of this claim. I'm not on the left, but would not at all be surprised if they were more likely to be snowflakes.

Also please stop derailing every thread with off-topic and fictional garbage.

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@zaryia: You made the claim in another thread then went Awol.

You provided a link to this BS study so it's on you to prove its valid.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia: You made the claim in another thread then went Awol.

Quote me on it, Mr.Offtopic.

@blackhairedhero said:

You provided a link to this BS study so it's on you to prove its valid.

The link is in the article. It's your job to prove the study is false.

You can't just say every study on climate or climate behavior is invalid because you feel it is. That isn't how this works. Are you a climate denier by any chance?

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@zaryia: You need to prove the study is valid in the first place since your acting as if its the stonecold truth. Linking to psedoscience doesn't prove that.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia: You need to prove the study is valid

This is bullshit and not how it works.. The study does that with the works cited, sources, and data within it. Then it is peer reviewed and published by a reputable journal.

Are you new at debating? You're losing this, objectively speaking.

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Linking to psedoscience

Citation Needed.

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@zaryia:

You said:

If you would like to debate like an adult rather than spam "left" or "snowflake" (I'm not sure how those would even be valid counters even if true), I'll need some counter data and/or specifics. But instead you're spamming shit post memes. That's tiring."

You also edited your post lmao!

No im not a climate change denier. The problem is we do not have good enough technology to substitute everything yet.

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@zaryia: Your link is random bullshit.

They determined

"racial resentment" (using the racial resentment attitude scale"

Lol AKA: pseudoscience.

http://vanderbiltpoliticalreview.com/can-we-measure-racial-resentment/

A link showing how the "racial resenment scale isn't really valid.

From the link:

"Thus, this study shows that racism, in some form, is still pervasive and in need of measurement. But it also demonstrates that the Racial Resentment Scale is incapable of providing conclusive results"

Which is the scale he used.

Now this is when you go Awol.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia:

You said:

If you would like to debate like an adult rather than spam "left" or "snowflake" (I'm not sure how those would even be valid counters even if true), I'll need some counter data and/or specifics. But instead you're spamming shit post memes. That's tiring."

Straw man argument. I was referring to needing data and specifics to my posts. Not the leftists being snowflakes.

You're making up arguments.

@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia: Your link is random bullshit.

They determined

"racial resentment" (using the racial resentment attitude scale"

Lol AKA: pseudoscience.

http://vanderbiltpoliticalreview.com/can-we-measure-racial-resentment/

A link showing how the "racial resenment scale isn't really valid.

From the link:

"Thus, this study shows that racism, in some form, is still pervasive and in need of measurement. But it also demonstrates that the Racial Resentment Scale is incapable of providing conclusive results"

Which is the scale he used.

Now this is when you go Awol.

That in no way discusses or counters my specific study.

No were in your link is the word pseudoscience used either. In fact, your link (which is not a peer reviewed study) states,

In conclusion, I must note that I am in no way arguing that racial attitudes have no (or even just a negligible) effect on politics. Nor do I wish to sweep the Republican Party’s relationship with identity politics under the rug. On the contrary—as a libertarian, I have great interest in understanding the degree to which the party of limited government relies on racial attitudes instead of principle (to say nothing of racism’s inherent ugliness)

No were is it stated that Racial Resentment is actually not real.

In fact,

Surveys have found that, in aggregate, Republicans score higher on the Racial Resentment Scale than Democrats. Furthermore, in the 2016 Republican Primary, Trump supporters were more highly rated on racial resentment than both those who supported a different candidate in 2016 and those who supported previous Republican presidential nominees. From these results, political scientists and pundits have often concluded that Republicans, particularly Trump supporters, are politically motivated by racial resentment.

Your own link states that racial resentment is real. Just not the most important factor, which is exactly what the Climate/Race study states.

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@zaryia: Your whole study you linked to is determined by a scale that is.

"incapable of providing conclusive results"

AKA bullshit.

I never said racial resentment wasn't real but the scale they use to measure it is inconclusive as provided by my link. The same scale your study used to determine its results.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia: Your whole study you linked to is determined by a scale that is.

"incapable of providing conclusive results"

1. That statement is written by the blogger, which is not a peer reviewed or published study. That's the opinion of a blog post.

Meanwhile, Racial Resentment Scale is verified and used by countless peer reviewed studies or surveys, (On top of PEW and ANES - which you would have to debunk)

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=racial+resentment+attitude+scale&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart (links to 100s)

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0002716210390288

https://read.dukeupress.edu/jhppl/article-abstract/36/6/945/13444

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=racial+resentment+study&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/30/white-americas-racial-resentment-is-the-real-impetus-for-welfare-cuts-study-says/

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/racial-resentment-motivates-opposition-to-welfare/562010/

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/bmqdyq/does-racial-resentment-fuel-opposition-to-paying-college-athletes

I can post pages of this, if you'd like, Susan.

"AKA BULLSHIT", lols. Random blogger vs 100's of studies. Good job bro.

To measure racial resentment, which Tesler and Sears describe as “subtle hostility towards African-Americans,” the authors used data from the American National Election Studies and the General Social Survey, an extensive collection of polling data maintained at the University of Chicago.

In the case of A.N.E.S. data, Tesler and Sears write:

The scale was constructed from how strongly respondents agreed or disagreed with the following assertions: 1) Irish, Italian, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors. 2) Generations of slavery and discrimination have created conditions that make it difficult for blacks to work their way out of the lower class. 3) Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve. 4) It’s really a matter of some people not trying hard enough; if blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as whites.

The General Social Survey included questions asking respondents to rate competing causes of racial discrimination and inequality:

The scale was constructed from responses to the following 4 items: 1) Irish, Italian, Jewish and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up. Blacks should do the same without any special favors. 2) A 3-category variable indicating whether respondents said lack of motivation is or is not a reason for racial inequality. 3) A 3-category variable indicating whether respondents said discrimination is or is not a reason for racial inequality. 4) A three-category variable indicating whether respondents rated whites more, less or equally hardworking than blacks on 7 point stereotype scales.

Supporting the Tesler-Sears findings, Josh Pasek, a professor in the communication studies department at the University of Michigan, Jon A. Krosnick, a political scientist at Stanford, and Trevor Tompson, the director of the Associated Press-National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, use responses from three different surveys in their analysis of “The Impact of Anti-Black Racism on Approval of Barack Obama’s Job Performance and on Voting in the 2012 Presidential Election.”

2. The study I linked is valid,

The relationship between racial attitudes and public opinion about climate change is examined. Public opinion data from Pew and American National Election Studies surveys are used to show that racial identification and prejudices are increasingly correlated with opinions about climate change during the Obama presidency. Results show that racial identification became a significant predictor of climate change concern following Obama’s election in 2008, and that high levels of racial resentment are strongly correlated with reduced agreement with the scientific consensus on climate change. These results offer evidence for an effect termed the spillover of racialization. This helps further explain why the public remains so polarized on climate change, given the extent to which racial grievances and identities have become entangled with elite communication about climate change and its related policies today.

3. Provide direct citation disproving the claims in the study. Quote portions of that study that are false, and refute it with a peer reviewed study of your own.

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Racial resentment is so petty and such a silly thing.

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@zaryia: Those links show racial resentment is valid not the scale he used to actually measure it.

The blogger links two pier reviewed studies for his claim.

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No surprises here

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@sonicare said:

Racial resentment is so petty and such a silly thing.

Indeed. Some people just cant' get over another person's skin color.

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@zaryia said:
@sonicare said:

Racial resentment is so petty and such a silly thing.

Indeed. Some people just cant' get over another person's skin color.

It's sad and it's ignorant, but people have a right to believe in what they believe.

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Its not a surprising result.

Years ago there was another study that concluded that less intelligent people were more likely to hold disdain for people for attributes that they could not control; i.e. race and ethnicity.

It isn't surprising that unintelligent people who are racists also lack the intelligence to grasp climate change.

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#45 Baconstrip78
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More like racists like my parents tend to watch Fox News, and Fox works for the GOP which works for big oil and gas, who puts out propaganda that co2 emissions don’t cause harm to the environment.

Same dopes that believed 9 out of 10 doctors recommended lucky strikes are the same people today that deny climate change is happening. There is a reason for that, but I’m not sure race has anything to do with it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tobacco-and-oil-industries-used-same-researchers-to-sway-public1/

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#46 LJS9502_basic
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@blackhairedhero said:

@zaryia: You need to prove the study is valid in the first place since your acting as if its the stonecold truth. Linking to psedoscience doesn't prove that.

No you need to provide proof his study is incorrect since that is YOUR stance.

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#47 stuff238
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Climate Change is just another excuse to tax people. It is a scam.

The right wingers are smart to deny it. They are trying to save you money.

Or do you guys want to pay “Carbon Tax”? LOL

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#48 Zaryia
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@stuff238 said:

Climate Change is just another excuse to tax people. It is a scam.

The right wingers are smart to deny it.

lol

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#49  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@stuff238 said:

Climate Change is just another excuse to tax people. It is a scam.

The right wingers are smart to deny it. They are trying to save you money.

Or do you guys want to pay “Carbon Tax”? LOL

Stupid statement. Climate change has been going on since creation. Denying it is just ridiculous.