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#1 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Are you voting for him because you think he's a good candidate, or because he's just not Trump? I'm doing the latter. I think Biden is senile and massivley dumb, but that's still a leg up on Trump. I just hope Biden has good advisors and they run the country for him. Anything is better than Trump, but leave it to the democratic party to give us only a marginally better candidate. Seriously, whats up with that party? This is the best you can do? WE need a third party in the USA - called the reasonable candidate party.

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I think Biden is a pretty good candidate, to be frank.

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@mattbbpl said:

I think Biden is a pretty good candidate, to be frank.

Why is that? I'm curious. I;m voting for him, but mainly because the alternative is just god awful.

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@sonicare: Smart policy. Or at least smarter policy.

Don't tell me you're buying that "He can't form a sentence," bullshit.

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@sonicare: Smart policy. Or at least smarter policy.

Don't tell me you're buying that "He can't form a sentence," bullshit.

The guy is close to 80 and there's really nothing i find in him that's inspiring. Far better candidates than him. I think he got the nod to prevent Sanders from tanking the election. He can speak, but just not well. He's the democratic version of Dan Quayle. I just find nothing exciting about him. I'd be happy to hear why you think he's great, though. I've just never been impressed.

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@sonicare said:

Are you voting for him because you think he's a good candidate, or because he's just not Trump? I'm doing the latter. I think Biden is senile and massivley dumb, but that's still a leg up on Trump. I just hope Biden has good advisors and they run the country for him. Anything is better than Trump, but leave it to the democratic party to give us only a marginally better candidate. Seriously, whats up with that party? This is the best you can do? WE need a third party in the USA - called the reasonable candidate party.

Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party.

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#7 Miyomatic
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Agree with everything you've said. Very curious about the responses here.

Me? I've never voted because we don't have a third party that better represents my views and I think both of the current parties and their candidates are out of their minds. It'd be nice to see some compromise in this country.

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@sonicare: Smart policy, listening to the right people, and the presence of some thought and empathy that I've sorely missed from the current administration. Today he was speaking about v shaped recoveries and k shaped recoveries - about how our policy choices missed the former and are resulting in the latter - and it was refreshing to hear a candidate understand what those are, their implications, and to be concerned.

His covid plan was detailed and very similar to what experts recommended.

I don't agree with his health care approach, but when he lays out what he wants to do there's no question he's well versed in the subject. He goes into what he wants to do, why, and how - down to specific bilines like specifically addressing opioids.

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Mainly because Trump actively tries to pit Americans against each other. We can't have that and still function as a nation, as is apparent.

Republican vs Democrat largely doesn't matter to me. It's not policy or competency I'm worried about at this point. I want Trump out because I believe he is damaging the nation by being unnecessarily provocative. He is literally an internet troll, and he is our president.

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@sn0man: "Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party."

Kinda, sorta, but also not really. Libertarians are essentially fighting for 5% of the vote just so they can finally be on the ballot in all 50 states next time and get a few million dollars (10 I think) in the next election. That may have been helpful a couple decades ago, but modern presidential campaigns spend a few billion now. 10 million just isn't going to cut it.

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@sonicare said:

...Are you voting for him because you think he's a good candidate, or because he's just not Trump? I'm doing the latter. I think Biden is senile and massivley dumb, but that's still a leg up on Trump. I just hope Biden has good advisors and they run the country for him...

Yeah, same. I don't feel good about--I would much prefer to vote based on my ideals--but right now anything is better than Trump. Including an old fart that should have been out of politics long ago.

Biden + Whoever > Trump, Pence, and his children.

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@sonicare: ...the presence of some thought and empathy...

God yes, we are severely lacking those, obviously in Trump and his cabinet, but as a nation as well.

Trump is the emotional, fearful response. No thought or thought about others and the greater good invested in a Trump vote. Just fear, maybe hate.

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@sn0man: "Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party."

Kinda, sorta, but also not really. Libertarians are essentially fighting for 5% of the vote just so they can finally be on the ballot in all 50 states next time and get a few million dollars (10 I think) in the next election. That may have been helpful a couple decades ago, but modern presidential campaigns spend a few billion now. 10 million just isn't going to cut it.

They're only running so they can get $10 million? What the hell are you on about?

Are you suggesting you prefer the status quo? A perpetual two party system, both led by dinosaurs with various mental competency issues, is a better option than voting for a third party?

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I believe Trump to be fundamentally an existential danger to our democracy and the values that we should, as a nation, to be striving towards.

He insults and denigrates our institutions sowing doubt in them and degrading their efficacy, shits all over anything that doesn’t serve his own best interests, has no or very little regard for law and order and the underpinnings of our republic (that is, if he is even aware of them at all), is profoundly ignorant on world affairs, exceptionally callous in their handling, promotes division, hostility, disrespect and vindictiveness as values to be embraced and exercised, is adverse to science and fact, lies to a degree that defies belief, holds no personal responsibility and blames everyone else for his failings, and on and on, and on.

As painful as these past four years have been, I am growing very confident that Trump will go down in history as one of the worst presidents this country’s ever had to endure. If he wins come November I will plunge into a terrible depression for the country I care deeply for as by the time Trump is done with it, things will be irreparably damaged. It’s bad enough that the stench of his filth is forever interwoven into the fabric of America, but at least I can die knowing I was on the right side of history in attempting to oppose it twice.

I would genuinely vote for a monkey before I would Trump.

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@sn0man said:
@Serraph105 said:

@sn0man: "Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party."

Kinda, sorta, but also not really. Libertarians are essentially fighting for 5% of the vote just so they can finally be on the ballot in all 50 states next time and get a few million dollars (10 I think) in the next election. That may have been helpful a couple decades ago, but modern presidential campaigns spend a few billion now. 10 million just isn't going to cut it.

They're only running so they can get $10 million? What the hell are you on about?

Are you suggesting you prefer the status quo? A perpetual two party system, both led by dinosaurs with various mental competency issues, is a better option than voting for a third party?

Well I'm not going to pretend to you that I have much agreement with the modern libertarian party, and the only argument I see thrown around for Jo Jorgensen is that she's "young". I've looked at her campaign website and the issues she supports and she's little more than a tea party candidate for president.

That said, I'm not saying that they are only running for 10 million dollars, I'm saying that one of the mainarguments third parties often make is, "If we can just get 5% of the vote this year, we will get a few million from the government in campaign funds and use it to do better in the next four years."

I'm not arguing that they are only campaigning for the money, but I am arguing that this argument strikes me as either disingenuous, or perhaps just naive, about what a few million dollars can do for a presidential campaign in the modern era. Plus it's just a hard sell to voters that you will hopefully do better next time if you just get enough votes to get 5% this time when the present day feels so very important.

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@sonicare said:
@mattbbpl said:

@sonicare: Smart policy. Or at least smarter policy.

Don't tell me you're buying that "He can't form a sentence," bullshit.

The guy is close to 80 and there's really nothing i find in him that's inspiring. Far better candidates than him. I think he got the nod to prevent Sanders from tanking the election. He can speak, but just not well. He's the democratic version of Dan Quayle. I just find nothing exciting about him. I'd be happy to hear why you think he's great, though. I've just never been impressed.

people were hella fucking excited for trump and look at the dumpster fire that got us into.

i'll take steady competent leadership over excitement.

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#17  Edited By Maroxad
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There are 3 reasons I would vote on Biden. If I could.

1. His Platform isn't bad, it is not great, but they are steps in the right direction.

2. He can be reasoned with. He can give in to pressure to improve his policies. He wont fantasize about violence against people he disagrees with.

3. He isn't Trump.

Here in Sweden, we kinda like Biden. Biden will be able to work with us. Rather than work against us and slander us.

@sonicare said:

I just hope Biden has good advisors and they run the country for him.

This is what I am hoping the Biden presidency will be as well. Biden's advisors run the country while Biden will just be a mediator between them.

Thankfully Biden doesnt have the anti-intellectual tendencies of Trump. So I believe his cabinet will be better.

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@sn0man said:
@Serraph105 said:

@sn0man: "Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party."

Kinda, sorta, but also not really. Libertarians are essentially fighting for 5% of the vote just so they can finally be on the ballot in all 50 states next time and get a few million dollars (10 I think) in the next election. That may have been helpful a couple decades ago, but modern presidential campaigns spend a few billion now. 10 million just isn't going to cut it.

They're only running so they can get $10 million? What the hell are you on about?

Are you suggesting you prefer the status quo? A perpetual two party system, both led by dinosaurs with various mental competency issues, is a better option than voting for a third party?

If you want third parties to succeed you start local. Not presidential where it is a wasted vote and can help the candidate you want least.

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@sn0man said:
@Serraph105 said:

@sn0man: "Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party."

Kinda, sorta, but also not really. Libertarians are essentially fighting for 5% of the vote just so they can finally be on the ballot in all 50 states next time and get a few million dollars (10 I think) in the next election. That may have been helpful a couple decades ago, but modern presidential campaigns spend a few billion now. 10 million just isn't going to cut it.

They're only running so they can get $10 million? What the hell are you on about?

Are you suggesting you prefer the status quo? A perpetual two party system, both led by dinosaurs with various mental competency issues, is a better option than voting for a third party?

If you want a third party, start on the local levels. Nobody is going to vote for a third party, because risking the greater evil to win isnt worth throwing your vote away on a third party candidate on. Alternatively, seek reform within one of the 2 parties, to push for an agenda which allows more than 2 parties to exist.

The two party system is the late stage result of a first past the post system. People are not to blame for voting strategically/rationally.

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Allowing for more than two parties seems like a bi-partisan choice.

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#21 rrjim1
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You guys do know that the US was running great last year, I going to stick with Trump. He might not be a great speaker but he knows how to do things right, unlike Biden.

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#22 Sevenizz
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Because your life is worse under Trump? Doubtful - you watch too much fake news and it influences your mood.

No, Biden is an old fool who should retire. The Democrats are in an awful state and don’t deserve your vote.

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#23  Edited By deactivated-601cef9eca9e5
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@sonicare said:

Are you voting for him because you think he's a good candidate, or because he's just not Trump? I'm doing the latter. I think Biden is senile and massivley dumb, but that's still a leg up on Trump. I just hope Biden has good advisors and they run the country for him. Anything is better than Trump, but leave it to the democratic party to give us only a marginally better candidate. Seriously, whats up with that party? This is the best you can do? WE need a third party in the USA - called the reasonable candidate party.

Every single liberal who is voting for Biden is not doing so because they think he is a good candidate, they are doing it because they hate Trump.

Biden has a terrible track record but it is nowhere near as bad as Kamala Harris... who remembers when Kamala Harris slept with her boss to get a position? Who remembers when she blocked evidence as CA's AG? Who remembers when she kept a man in prision beyond his sentence who was exonterated by DNA evidence? Who remembers last year when she called Biden a racist and she proclaimed that she believed all of the women who have accused Biden of sexual assault?

The Trump campaign is going to eat Biden's campaign for lunch... the debates are going to be very brutal. The DNC just wants someone they can control (Biden) and we all know he's going to kowtow to Russia, China, and Iran just like Obama did.

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@mighty-lu-bu: Stop speaking for other people.

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@mighty-lu-bu: Stop speaking for other people.

You are going to vote down party lines no matter what because of your blinded hate for Trump. What I don't understand about the never Trumpers is that they cannot even acknowledge when he does something good.

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I can do both. Biden's platform is very sensible and fleshed out. Not to say I believe all of it is sound, but compared to Trump it is a godsend. With that being said, I would have voted for nearly anyone running against Trump. If we're going to sit here and denigrate Biden for being a poorer public speaker (he is) and make fun of his age, then you're going to have to admit that Trump suffers from the same problems, on top of being a pathological lying ego maniac.

For every sound clip of Biden struggling to make a point we could pull up two of Trump doing the same, if not more (or worse).

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@mighty-lu-bu said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@mighty-lu-bu: Stop speaking for other people.

You are going to vote down party lines no matter what because of your blinded hate for Trump. What I don't understand about the never Trumpers is that they cannot even acknowledge when he does something good.

And you continue on. Yes I'm voting against trump. As a proud vet I abhor all he stands for and what he's done to this country. You come in and whine about what's going on in most threads but don't hold the leader accountable. That's sycophantic.

I don't like what he and his policies have done to erode the democracy in this country or our standing in the world.

My vote is based on facts. PERIOD. Also Biden does, indeed, seem more ready to tackle the problems facing us today rather than four more years of trump's shit.

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@Maroxad said:
@sn0man said:
@Serraph105 said:

@sn0man: "Jo Jorgensen.

I mean, if you're going to waste your vote you may as well waste it on someone who at least doesn't have dementia. And hey, maybe if enough of you vote for her you actually WILL have a viable third party."

Kinda, sorta, but also not really. Libertarians are essentially fighting for 5% of the vote just so they can finally be on the ballot in all 50 states next time and get a few million dollars (10 I think) in the next election. That may have been helpful a couple decades ago, but modern presidential campaigns spend a few billion now. 10 million just isn't going to cut it.

They're only running so they can get $10 million? What the hell are you on about?

Are you suggesting you prefer the status quo? A perpetual two party system, both led by dinosaurs with various mental competency issues, is a better option than voting for a third party?

If you want a third party, start on the local levels. Nobody is going to vote for a third party, because risking the greater evil to win isnt worth throwing your vote away on a third party candidate on. Alternatively, seek reform within one of the 2 parties, to push for an agenda which allows more than 2 parties to exist.

The two party system is the late stage result of a first past the post system. People are not to blame for voting strategically/rationally.

Exactly. Duverger's law is firmly in play.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mighty-lu-bu said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@mighty-lu-bu: Stop speaking for other people.

You are going to vote down party lines no matter what because of your blinded hate for Trump. What I don't understand about the never Trumpers is that they cannot even acknowledge when he does something good.

And you continue on. Yes I'm voting against trump. As a proud vet I abhor all he stands for and what he's done to this country. You come in and whine about what's going on in most threads but don't hold the leader accountable. That's sycophantic.

I don't like what he and his policies have done to erode the democracy in this country or our standing in the world.

My vote is based on facts. PERIOD. Also Biden does, indeed, seem more ready to tackle the problems facing us today rather than four more years of trump's shit.

So you are a Democrat... what a shocker!

Name what policy (without using Google) that you don't like.

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@Maroxad said:

If you want a third party, start on the local levels. Nobody is going to vote for a third party, because risking the greater evil to win isnt worth throwing your vote away on a third party candidate on. Alternatively, seek reform within one of the 2 parties, to push for an agenda which allows more than 2 parties to exist.

The two party system is the late stage result of a first past the post system. People are not to blame for voting strategically/rationally.

Voting for the "lesser evil" is indistinguishable from voting republican or democrat because you think everything they do is awesome. It will be taken as approval for more big government, higher taxes, higher spending, more debt, more government and more war. If you never vote for a third party, you'll never have one.

Besides, by voting democrat, you're already throwing your vote away. If you're going to throw it away anyway, why not at least vote for a respectable candidate with a sensible party, instead of wasting it on a candidate who has dementia leading a party that has become demonstrably Marxist?

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@mighty-lu-bu said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

And you continue on. Yes I'm voting against trump. As a proud vet I abhor all he stands for and what he's done to this country. You come in and whine about what's going on in most threads but don't hold the leader accountable. That's sycophantic.

I don't like what he and his policies have done to erode the democracy in this country or our standing in the world.

My vote is based on facts. PERIOD. Also Biden does, indeed, seem more ready to tackle the problems facing us today rather than four more years of trump's shit.

So you are a Democrat... what a shocker!

Name what policy (without using Google) that you don't like.

Covid denial policy, tax breaks for the wealthy, trade policies, civil unrest policy.............just off the top of my head. He's had almost four years and the country has descended not ascended.

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@sn0man said:
@Maroxad said:

If you want a third party, start on the local levels. Nobody is going to vote for a third party, because risking the greater evil to win isnt worth throwing your vote away on a third party candidate on. Alternatively, seek reform within one of the 2 parties, to push for an agenda which allows more than 2 parties to exist.

The two party system is the late stage result of a first past the post system. People are not to blame for voting strategically/rationally.

Voting for the "lesser evil" is indistinguishable from voting republican or democrat because you think everything they do is awesome. It will be taken as approval for more big government, higher taxes, higher spending, more debt, more government and more war. If you never vote for a third party, you'll never have one.

Besides, by voting democrat, you're already throwing your vote away. If you're going to throw it away anyway, why not at least vote for a respectable candidate with a sensible party, instead of wasting it on a candidate who has dementia leading a party that has become demonstrably Marxist?

No, Throwing the vote away would be voting for a party in a first past the vote system, that gets less than 5% of the vote. Instead of voting for the lesser evil to stop the greater evil from winning the election.

A wasted vote would be voting for someone who doesnt even have a shot of winning, and no one else votes for. I might as well vote for my dog, than vote for a third party candidate. The spoiler effect is real, and historically speaking has had TERRIBLE consequences in the past.

Even if I vote for Biden. and Biden loses, Biden at least had a shot of beating Trump. I didnt get what I wanted. But he had a shot. The Libertarian Party is doomed to begin with.

And Jo Jorgensen is a terrible candidate. Her COVID 19 policies would be a disaster for the country

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Because he’s not Trump. Personally I don’t like him. He is a hypocrite.

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#34 mecha_frieza
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Because he’s not Trump. Personally I don’t like him. He is a hypocrite.

Exactly. People need to realize that Biden and the Democrats alike are the true racists.

Remember, if you are black and you don't vote Democrat, you actually aren't black.

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#35 Skarwolf
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Studies show the majority of people have already decided who they’re voting for all the propaganda is pointless. It won’t sway anyone unless you’re simpleminded.

But lately you read the news & every article is attacking Trump. Theres going to be another shortage of tissue paper in November when Trump wins.

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#36  Edited By mecha_frieza
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@Skarwolf said:

Studies show the majority of people have already decided who they’re voting for all the propaganda is pointless. It won’t sway anyone unless you’re simpleminded.

But lately you read the news & every article is attacking Trump. Theres going to be another shortage of tissue paper in November when Trump wins.

Pretty much.

The problem with Democrats is that they picked Joe Biden and the problem with Joe Biden is that he picked Kamala Harris. If Biden wanted a true shot at the presidency, he should have picked Tulsi Gabbard who is not only a woman of color but a U.S. veteran.

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#38  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@mecha_frieza: Go take that elsewhere.

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#39  Edited By mecha_frieza
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@mecha_frieza: Go take that elsewhere.

Picking Kamala Harris will cost Joe the election. She was a corrupt AG, nothing more, nothing less.

Tulsi Gabbard is vastly superior to Kamala Harris and she single-handedly destroyed her presidential run. Furthermore, unlike Harris, Gabbard actually believes in the U.S. Constituion and she is pro Second Ammendment.

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@mecha_frieza: yeah tulsi would have been a great pick, people keep saying Biden would pull more moderates to the left but I dont see it, Kamala definently wont do that. Tulsi would have.

Tulsi would have been a better pick than Joe even.

And lets be honest even if Joe wins he most likely wont even make it to his 2nd term. The VP of Joe will be reaping all the benefits.

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Still cracks me up conservatives like tulsi. Liberals hated her and she was a terrible candidate. Trump would have destroyed her! That’s why the right wanted her, low hanging fruit.

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#42  Edited By mecha_frieza
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@thegreatchomp said:

Still cracks me up conservatives like tulsi. Liberals hated her and she was a terrible candidate. Trump would have destroyed her! That’s why the right wanted her, low hanging fruit.

When did I say I liked Tulsi Gabbard? I just said she was a much better choice than Kamala Harris which is 100% true.

It's funny that you say Trump would have destroyed her because Gabbard destroyed Harris in the Democratic debates which ended Harris's presidential run. How did she do this? She brought up Harris's terrible past as California's AG.

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#43 LJS9502_basic
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@mecha_frieza said:
@thegreatchomp said:

Still cracks me up conservatives like tulsi. Liberals hated her and she was a terrible candidate. Trump would have destroyed her! That’s why the right wanted her, low hanging fruit.

When did I say I liked Tulsi Gabbard? I just said she was a much better choice than Kamala Harris which is 100% true.

Technically that's called an opinion and thus not a fact.

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#44 mecha_frieza
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mecha_frieza said:
@thegreatchomp said:

Still cracks me up conservatives like tulsi. Liberals hated her and she was a terrible candidate. Trump would have destroyed her! That’s why the right wanted her, low hanging fruit.

When did I say I liked Tulsi Gabbard? I just said she was a much better choice than Kamala Harris which is 100% true.

Technically that's called an opinion and thus not a fact.

Well, she's a veteran for starters and even though she supports universal healthcare, on other issues she is more moderate. Let's not forget that she also gutted Harris in the debates.

Anyone that says "we are going to take your firearms away without due process" is a piece of garbage and that is actually what Harris said she would do.

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#45  Edited By Maroxad
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Kamala Harris has a favorability of +4.6

Tulsi Gabbard has a favorability of -9.5

I can't blame Biden for not picking the disliked candidate.

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@mecha_frieza: And Trump.

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@sonicare: I believe he’s an honest and decent man, even if his mind isn’t what it once was. Honestly, that’s all that matters to me in this coming election. I’ve now seen the opposite and how destructive that is.

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#48 deactivated-601cef9eca9e5
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@Maroxad said:

Kamala Harris has a favorability of +4.6

Tulsi Gabbard has a favorability of -9.5

I can't blame Biden for not picking the disliked candidate.

Yeah because the Clinton's did a hit piece on her. They called her a "Russian asset" without evidence mind you.

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#49 MK245
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@mighty-lu-bu:

@mighty-lu-bu said:
@Maroxad said:

Kamala Harris has a favorability of +4.6

Tulsi Gabbard has a favorability of -9.5

I can't blame Biden for not picking the disliked candidate.

Yeah because the Clinton's did a hit piece on her. They called her a "Russian asset" without evidence mind you.

Well, given that Clinton is not particularly liked either, I think it is more likely to do with the following:

Voting 'present' on Trump's impeachment

Frequent appearances on Fox News

Previous statements on Assad and LGBTQ issues

Frequently missing votes

There are others I am sure, but I think that covers most of them.

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@Baconstrip78 said:

@sonicare: I believe he’s an honest and decent man, even if his mind isn’t what it once was. Honestly, that’s all that matters to me in this coming election. I’ve now seen the opposite and how destructive that is.

Don't get me wrong. He's leagues ahead of his opponent. I'm voting for him as well simply because I dont think our country can survive 4 more years of Trump. But I've never found him particularly inspiring.