More than 200,000 Wisconsin voters will be removed from the rolls

More than 200,000 Wisconsin voters will be removed from the rolls

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/474549-judge-orders-state-to-purge-more-than-200000-wisconsin-voters-from-the

A Wisconsin judge on Friday ordered the state to purge more than 200,000 people from voter rolls because they may have moved, according to The Associated Press.

Ozaukee County Judge Paul Malloy sided with three voters represented by a conservative law firm in denying the request by attorneys for the state elections commission to have his decision put on hold.

The letter didn’t give people a deadline to reregister and an October press release from the elections commission said anyone who received the letter would remain on the list of eligible voters until 2021. But a lawsuit filed in October by the conservative group Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty said the elections commission is required by law to purge anyone who received the letter from the voter rolls if they do not reregister within 30 days of receipt.

The Journal Sentinel reported Democratic-leaning areas would be hit harder by the voter purge than Republican ones.

I guess when your team is so unpopular to the point a PV win is out of the question for the next decade or two, you've gotta scrounge up all the cheat codes you can.

I suppose that's easier than updating your unpopular and shitty policies.

I'd like to know if there is a valid reason to be so pro-active in purging registered voters from the list. Seriously, give me something.

I mean other than voter suppression (which is not valid).

That reeks of bullshit.

@zaryia: Same thing in Georgia

A federal judge Monday night allowed Georgia to move ahead with a purge of over 300,000 voters deemed "inactive" by Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, sparking outrage from rights advocates who accused the GOP of an illegal voter suppression effort ahead of the 2020 elections.

@mrbojangles25: It's valid from the republican point of view, after all, cheating is the only way they know how to win.

That's a good point actually. They don't want to change, and they don't want to lose. Gotta get the numbers some how so, yeah, no reason not to defend this sort of thing.

If they moved, I don’t see a problem here.

You guys are already making excuses because you know Trump is gonna win

Do you have a real response to this thread topic or are you Trump guys going to keep posting 8chan nonsense?

what is up with you and 8chan?

I'm thinking of a random extreme right community where people shit-post so I do not have to give your post a serious reply.

But fine, i'll try to give your nonsensical post a serious reply since you're so concerned:

1. I am not making any excuses. I'm posting factual events.

2. Voter suppression is real, and the GOP primarily use it because they are objectively less popular.

3. I don't know Trump is going to win. Going by all current data we have, all top Democratic candidates decimate him in polls. But that means nothing, neither of us know how it will go down.

Logically there shouldn't be an issue but you know..........

"The letter didn’t give people a deadline to reregister and an October press release from the elections commission said anyone who received the letter would remain on the list of eligible voters until 2021. But a lawsuit filed in October by the conservative group Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty said the elections commission is required by law to purge anyone who received the letter from the voter rolls if they do not reregister within 30 days of receipt.

The Journal Sentinel reported Democratic-leaning areas would be hit harder by the voter purge than Republican ones."

Read the first 2 sentences. No one saw a problem though. Logically there wasn't an issue. The GOP group forced this change because it helps their team in elections.

This isn't rocket science.

Nah, Trump is already winning Michigan

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/473856-poll-trump-leads-2020-democratic-candidates-in-michigan

1. That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread or even my post.......did you click the wrong one?

2. And? Polls have all top Dems beating him nationally at the moment........

You're a bit weird.

@zaryia: maybe your just paranoid for thinking gop is trying to rig michigans votes

wow, millions will not possibly be able to vote during the 2020 election. If we combine this voter purge and other voter purges in the future it will probably add to more than million or possibly more in the millions category. Still pretty low compared to 235 million voter population.

It sounds like to me that the republicans are less lazy and smarter if they can figure out they have to reregister after they move. I moved recently and took care of registering for voting right. Maybe pick a book or something, take a little responsibility?

Trump won Wisconsin by 50,000 or so and the election was won by a margin that you can fit into a football stadium.

It is evident that Republicans don’t want people voting and this is just one way they are doing that. Really shameful but expected from that party.

Not to mention that there's absolutely no harm in leaving these voters on the rolls in the first place. At worst you have a bunch of people who are on the rolls but don't show up to vote for one reason or another, whereas by purging voters you basically ensure that a lot of eligible voters can't vote. It's creating a problem by trying to solve a non-problem.

This is the same state where Republicans passed legislation stripping the governor of most of his powers as soon as a Democrat won. No one at all should be surprised that they'd stoop to dirty tricks to hold on to power.

Or we could just follow the laws.

How does leaving voters on the rolls have anything to do with following or not following the law?

Why would you leave them on?

Why wouldn't I?

They don't live there anymore. Conflict of information isn't a desired thing?

It's harmless. No one gave a shit until a conservative group forced the change, because they wanted a higher chance of winning the election.

Please re-read,

"The letter didn’t give people a deadline to reregister and an October press release from the elections commission said anyone who received the letter would remain on the list of eligible voters until 2021. But a lawsuit filed in October by the conservative group Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty said the elections commission is required by law to purge anyone who received the letter from the voter rolls if they do not reregister within 30 days of receipt.

The Journal Sentinel reported Democratic-leaning areas would be hit harder by the voter purge than Republican ones."

Hey, how about you guys just stop aiming at less popular policy? Hehe. Probably a more clean way to win than voter suppression and gerrymandering wouldn't you say?

Incorrect, they might not live there anymore. Plenty of them do and are wrongly purged. But if they don't live there what happens? Again, nothing, they just don't show up to vote. Besides, where I vote they ask you to verify your address when you go to vote (and by verify I mean verbally confirm, not bring a million documents to prove it), I don't see why that's not sufficient.

Google his poll, the pollster Firehouse Strategies is a Republican founded company. Not something that should be trusted.

Tough scene when you can only win by cheating.

@droidphysy: just enforcing the law thats on the books.

@n64dd:

“They were just following the law”

Well when you put it that way...

Please re-read,

"The letter didn’t give people a deadline to reregister and an October press release from the elections commission said anyone who received the letter would remain on the list of eligible voters until 2021. But a lawsuit filed in October by the conservative group Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty said the elections commission is required by law to purge anyone who received the letter from the voter rolls if they do not reregister within 30 days of receipt.

The Journal Sentinel reported Democratic-leaning areas would be hit harder by the voter purge than Republican ones."

No one gave a shit, it was harmless. The comission didn't even care. A conservative group literally forced the nonsensical change because it would help them in elections. That's literally why. No questions asked.

Why, you might ask, does voter suppression objectively always help the GOP? Because they are less popular and literally dying. The less people who vote is better for them.

Tip: Try to appeal to people who aren't dying or incels. You might stop losing every popular vote for POTUS, Senate, and Congress for decades.

@zaryia: incels? 4chan isn’t the real world kid.

Sorry you guys can’t cheat your way into an election. If I move I take care of business. I know you guys appeal to the stupid and people that don’t take responsibility for their own actions.

These are the same people who will cry voter suppression and racism at voter ID. Personal responsibility is the last thing they want in voters. Don't even worry about getting to the polls, they'll bus you in.

Is this a joke? Didn't you read one of the GOP's top strategist Hofeller's secret study that was leaked when he died? The GOP are the ones who cheat, that's a fact going by any study on gerrymandering, voter fraud, and voter suppression. That's literally what your cult is required to do because they are objectively less popular.

"The letter didn’t give people a deadline to reregister and an October press release from the elections commission said anyone who received the letter would remain on the list of eligible voters until 2021. But a lawsuit filed in October by the conservative group Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty said the elections commission is required by law to purge anyone who received the letter from the voter rolls if they do not reregister within 30 days of receipt.

The Journal Sentinel reported Democratic-leaning areas would be hit harder by the voter purge than Republican ones."

Getting old people to their voting booths isn't cheating, stopping them on the way there is (that happened). Peer reviewed studies > The both of you. You can type all the nonsense you want, but we already know what the facts are.

Voter suppression (which is factually real) is more problematic (and effects more people) than the mythical Voter ID Fraud (which laws for cause more voter suppression).

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/research-voter-id

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688343?mobileUi=0&journalCode=jop

You can give me your opinions all day long, but I'm just stating the facts.

@zaryia:

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688343?mobileUi=0&journalCode=jop

Are you kidding me? I'm not paying to read a biased source.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/research-voter-id

Brennan center is insane. They actually believe that prison reform lies in giving the incarcerated the right to vote, instead of actual prison reform.

Their methods are stupid as well. In many of those studies they simply compare election turnouts, which is stupid because turnout is almost completely based on campaigning and we've known that for decades. Even if we didn't know that, it still doesn't mean voter ID laws were an impact.

Their data also includes asking non voters why they didn't vote, which includes a bunch of BS excuses to why they didn't vote, such as "too busy with work" or "couldn't get transport". "Not having ID" in voter ID areas is usually the last on the list (less than 6% in TX-23 probably the most infamous "voter suppression" areas), and just as much bullshit as all the other excuses.

Lots of broken links too.

These aren't actual rebuttals. You have to go through every working linked peer reviewed study and show me specifically which data points are wrong. Then prove they are wrong with your own citation.

Then you have to show me that's not why the GOP are doing it, because their actual leaked files/videos said that is why they do it. To reduce Democrat votes. Why are we playing this game when I have the smoking gun and this is common sense?

Arm-Chair theory and Opinion. You did not touch on a majority of their working links. What you did write regarding their methodology was subjective. I'm not really into your opinions, provide studies. Why did you put voter suppression in quotations? Are you a climate denier too? It's objectively real according to court rulings and observable facts. The GOP themselves have admitted it in camera and files. We have nothing to "debate" considering that data.

Here are several more, https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/01/just-how-big-problem-is-voter-suppression/

Voter Fraud is nearly non-existent. Voter Suppression isn't. Gerrymandering is real. The GOP engage in it the most. Denying any of this is objectively false.

This conservative group pushed for the voter roll purges to help them in the elections. No matter how small that help might be. To say otherwise is to lie, simple as that.

@zaryia: i get you’re in college, but im not reading your propaganda studies from university.

It’s not my job to dissect your multiple weird links, it’s on you to provide proof. Not studies. This is the real world, not college.

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-exists-even-though-many-the-media-claim-it-doesnt

Proof of voter fraud.

Proof voter fraud is nearly non-existant. Several more studies and facts than your link. It's confirmed:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

Your side purges rolls and wants voter ID's to reduce Democratic turn out. That's literally it. It's also why they Gerrymander.

Why are you contesting this when it was directly stated inside the dead GOP top strategists computer?

Your link is from an extreme right "mixed-facts" organization, is their info peer reviewed?

It's common knowledge voter suppression is real, voter fraud is nearly non existant, and that gerrymandering is mostly done by the right. You guys NEED TO CHEAT, your party is declining in population and the policies poll poorly.

I understand the right is against facts and peer-reviewed studies - but I take this as your concession. I understand facts scare you. Do you guys still think the Earth is flat?

Weird links? What? Citing studies literally is the proof. You're so bad.

No wonder your side is the one who thought evolution and climate change were fake. Many still do.

Nearly 100,000 Georgia voters to remain purged from voting rolls

https://www.axios.com/georgia-voters-purge-judge-41270b24-a367-4747-b7be-cd991bcfbff4.html

Cheat to win. At all costs. Dying party is dying.

@zaryia: voter fraud exists. If it exists, laws make sense to protect it. I don’t need an obscure study to use common sense.

I said nearly non-existent. And I'd be right, statistically. Voter Suppression, on the otherhand, effects far more people. It's extremely lopsided (by high exponents). Please read the studies I am linking.

Let me highlight some data for you:

"The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent. Given this tiny incident rate for voter impersonation fraud, it is more likely, the report noted, that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

"A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims."

TLDR: It's not worth screwing over exponentially more actual votes over to prevent such an infinitesimal number. But that's not why your team wants to do that, they just want less (D) turn out. We know this for a fact from leaked videos and files. No one cared about purging voters until that extreme right conservative group forced it. And it's almost always in Red States.

P.S. I almost forgot to mention why your team does it. I love mentioning this fact. It's because they are less popular and their population is declining.

Cmon, it’s intellectually dishonest to argue republicans are “just” following the rules.

100% guaranteed that if the purge affected republican voters more, GOP wouldn’t time these lawsuits

But alas

It's not even questionable. The reason they are doing this is for a better shot at winning election xyz.

This isn't something any of the committees in WI cared about until the ultra far right group found a loophole. It effected no one. Now it will.

@zaryia: trumps going to win 2020, I hope its a bigger wash than the recent UK elections, I look forward to reading your excuses Zaryia. I sincerely look forward to it. God bless