Mark Espers Book (former Secretary of Defense): Trump wanted to start war in Mexico, shoot BLM protesters

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So some interesting insights in this new Mark Esper book. Trump wanted to bomb Mexico, Stephen Miller wanted Trump to deploy a quarter of a million troops to the souther border, he wanted the military to get the decapitated head of the ISIS leader dipped in pigs blood as a warning to ISIS fighters, Trump wanted 10K military deployed in DC to combat BLM protesters, his idea like "why can't they just shoot them".

Apparently he was putting out fires left and right trying to stop Trump's White House staffers from further developing and executing such plans. Esper/Milley reached out to NORTHCOM telling them not to take any part in any of these planned events and that if they're asked to call him directly. After a discussion between Esper and Milley about Trump's Mexico plans, Milley discovered Trump's people were having Esper's team drafting plans on the matter behind his back and he put a stop to it. Curious whatever telling tidbits his book contains.

I have a feeling if there weren't adults in the room to keep Trump's worst impulses in check, we'd of had a Joffrey Lannister for a POTUS. We could still have one again for that matter.

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#2  Edited By nintendoboy16
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Can't wait for usual suspects to damage control this.

Also about shooting protesters...

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Ah yes, nothing like good ol' media book excerpts to profit off of.

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@nintendoboy16 said:

Can't wait for usual suspects to damage control this.

Also about shooting protesters *insert 'I told you so gif' here*

So what you're saying is Mark Espers is telling you something you want to hear despite no evidence? Gee, you would think he was trying to sell you something.

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Always remember, when it comes to anything that is negative in regards to Trump, everyone is lying except for the former/true president of the United States. That man is the most honest person ever to walk the earth.

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Sounds about right. Trump is insane.

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@Serraph105 said:

Always remember, when it comes to anything that is negative in regards to Trump, everyone is lying except for the former/true president of the United States. That man is the most honest person ever to walk the earth.

Most bizarre case of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen is that belief.

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@eoten said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Can't wait for usual suspects to damage control this.

Also about shooting protesters *insert 'I told you so gif' here*

despite no evidence?

When has this ever mattered for you? lol.

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@lamprey263 said:

Trump wanted to bomb Mexico

Uh-huh. Continue? Further details? Why "bomb Mexico"? Or is this easier to process for the simple minded folk? "Because Trump doesn't like brown people of course!".

Do you have any idea how much death and suffering the "War on Drugs" has caused? Billy boy apologized for it. He was one of the architects of todays opioid epidemic and Mexicos raging drug war. Yeah, that's right... the US has already bombed Mexico and continues to do so. It certainly wouldn't have made much of a difference or worsen the situation if Trump were to try his "bomb Mexico".

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Ahhh, the lefties still have a hard on for Trump I see, usual suspects also, yup.

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Based af.

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@vl4d_l3nin said:

Based af.

oof.

@vfighter said:

Ahhh, the lefties still have a hard on for Trump I see, usual suspects also, yup.

Mark Esper is a Republican. You're not very good at this.

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I don't care who it is, or what its about. Whenever somebody in politics is out there selling a book, I ignore it.

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#16  Edited By Silentchief
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Lol the leftist on this forum are so fucking cringe. Non stop TDS two years later.

Honestly how miserable do you have to be.

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#17  Edited By mrbojangles25
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It's like something out of one of Ben Shapiro's non-ironic fiction novels.

Anyway, I am sure Trump wanted to do a lot of terrible things. But he didn't. So anyway, moving on.

As a certain mod would say "Slow news day"...

@goldenelementxl said:

I don't care who it is, or what its about. Whenever somebody in politics is out there selling a book, I ignore it.

Good advice.

You can find advice like this--and more!--in my book. Buy it on Amazon.

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@Serraph105 said:

Always remember, when it comes to anything that is negative in regards to Trump, everyone is lying except for the former/true president of the United States. That man is the most honest person ever to walk the earth.

Based on what, exactly? Are you sure you're following the facts here?

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Can't wait for usual suspects to damage control this.

Also about shooting protesters *insert 'I told you so gif' here*

despite no evidence?

When has this ever mattered for you? lol.

Always. Your problem is you conflate op-eds and opinion polling with facts. I'm surprised you haven't produced a poll that says 70% of Americans believe Espers so it must be true.

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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

Can't wait for usual suspects to damage control this.

Also about shooting protesters *insert 'I told you so gif' here*

despite no evidence?

When has this ever mattered for you? lol.

Always.

You hate evidence. Always. So when I saw you ask for it I had to do a double take ITT!

I have literally linked 1,000's of peer reviewed studies on multiple climate change threads for you to call them "opinion pieces". Dozens upon dozens of Covid peer reviewed studies for them to be called "op-eds" by you, 2 years straight. I have posted several studies on abortion only for you to say they were "cherry picked", while never providing counter ones to show there was any biased picking by me.

You are Anti-Evidence. Absurdly anti-fact.

@eoten said:

Your problem is you conflate op-eds and opinion polling with facts. I'm surprised you haven't produced a poll that says 70% of Americans believe Espers so it must be true.

I never do this, unless I already posted countless pages of factual studies and already proved my claim.

Omega Gas Lighting.

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There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

At least, that's what I was always told.

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@goldenelementxl said:

I don't care who it is, or what its about. Whenever somebody in politics is out there selling a book, I ignore it.

Even in greed there is truth.

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Another Trump admin official declaring what we already know. I see it hasn't stopped the Trump nut hugger club in here though. For someone who was supposed to 'Surround himself with the bestest people', why do they all turn out to dislike him, disavow him, or outwardly say he's a piece of trash who governed like a maniac child?

And to think he's still the 2024 frontrunner. I would say he's living rent free in all of this cultists' head, but I'm sure they're all still giving him money though online donations. Bunch of rubes.

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@LJS9502_basic: truth taken out of context isn't truth. Presidenr Trump probably meant, bomb the cartels and drug organizations.

As for the blm protests, he meant to keep troops to maintain order. Alot of these protesters were looting, and rioting. Damaging people's properties.

And the ISIS thing sounds bad, but the things terrorists do is much worse.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@LJS9502_basic: truth taken out of context isn't truth. Presidenr Trump probably meant, bomb the cartels and drug organizations.

As for the blm protests, he meant to keep troops to maintain order. Alot of these protesters were looting, and rioting. Damaging people's properties.

And the ISIS thing sounds bad, but the things terrorists do is much worse.

You're just trying to spin his words to excuse him for your own narrative. That isn't truth either.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@LJS9502_basic: truth taken out of context isn't truth. Presidenr Trump probably meant, bomb the cartels and drug organizations.

As for the blm protests, he meant to keep troops to maintain order. Alot of these protesters were looting, and rioting. Damaging people's properties.

And the ISIS thing sounds bad, but the things terrorists do is much worse.

Except, we'd be bombing land of our allies in the process.

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That seems like hyperbole.

Even CNN presented the original story as Trump musing about missiles against drug labs in Mexico...not that that is wise either, but spitballing what to do against drug lords is not totally insane.

I assume the other two points in the OP are also distortions.

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#29  Edited By lamprey263  Online
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Heard more juicy bits from the book. Trump believe China could produce hurricanes and send them at the US, and he talked about it so much the term used around the offices of the White House to describe it was "hurricane gun". He also flirted with the idea that nuking hurricanes could be a potential solution to them.

He also wanted to have the military reactivate retired members of the military so he could then court-martial them for being critical of Trump, including the Navy SEAL who led the mission that killed Bin Laden. And jeez, and to people think he's a free speech victim.

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I don't know what's worse, Mark Esper being dumb enough to think anyone will actually believe half that crap.... or the people who actually do. Good grief.

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Not sure about the war in Mexico, seems dumb, but I do remember looters being shot after Katrina. Seems an apt punishment now as then.

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@Lotus-Edge said:

Not sure about the war in Mexico, seems dumb, but I do remember looters being shot after Katrina. Seems an apt punishment now as then.

The shooting comment was towards protestors who were peaceful in a specific area, not looters or rioters.

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@zaryia said:
@Lotus-Edge said:

Not sure about the war in Mexico, seems dumb, but I do remember looters being shot after Katrina. Seems an apt punishment now as then.

The shooting comment was towards protestors who were peaceful in a specific area, not looters or rioters.

Well, the alleged comment you mean.

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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@Lotus-Edge said:

Not sure about the war in Mexico, seems dumb, but I do remember looters being shot after Katrina. Seems an apt punishment now as then.

The shooting comment was towards protestors who were peaceful in a specific area, not looters or rioters.

Well, the alleged comment you mean.

Witness, so not alleged.

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@eoten said:

I don't know what's worse, Mark Esper being dumb enough to think anyone will actually believe half that crap.... or the people who actually do. Good grief.

Smarter then the rest of the crowd grifted by Trump. Must be hard to justify being one of the gullible cultist left around.

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Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

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@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff

Both Esper and Trump are trash. But Trump is so stupid and said the dumbest shit, so I don't find it all that hard to believe. Seems right up his ally. Sounds like you're a bit deluded.

@vfighter said:

I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

You're an anti-vaxxer who think climate change is fake. 😆

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@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

Even the righties aren't dumb enough to believe everyone is lying except trump I mean come on...oh...oh they are, wow.

Fixed it for ya....

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@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

They'll believe anything you tell them without question, so long as it's what they want to hear. It's pretty funny actually, as it shows facts simply don't matter.

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@eoten said:
@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

They'll believe anything you tell them without question, so long as it's what they want to hear. It's pretty funny actually, as it shows facts simply don't matter.

This is the most ironic statement I've ever seen here. And I've been here awhile.

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Wasn’t there also some talk about invading North Korea, China and Iran at some point?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

They'll believe anything you tell them without question, so long as it's what they want to hear. It's pretty funny actually, as it shows facts simply don't matter.

This is the most ironic statement I've ever seen here. And I've been here awhile.

It would be to you, I am sure.

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

They'll believe anything you tell them without question, so long as it's what they want to hear. It's pretty funny actually, as it shows facts simply don't matter.

This is the most ironic statement I've ever seen here. And I've been here awhile.

It would be to you, I am sure.

It is to anyone that pays attention to world events. Which does leave you out I know.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@vfighter said:

Even the lefties aren't dumb enough to believe this stuff I mean come on....oh...oh they are, wow.

They'll believe anything you tell them without question, so long as it's what they want to hear. It's pretty funny actually, as it shows facts simply don't matter.

This is the most ironic statement I've ever seen here. And I've been here awhile.

It would be to you, I am sure.

It is to anyone that pays attention to world events. Which does leave you out I know.

Says the person who doesn't know the difference between murder and self defense.

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

It is to anyone that pays attention to world events. Which does leave you out I know.

Says the person who doesn't know the difference between murder and self defense.

Says the person doesn't allow people to disagree with a jury's decision. How fascist of you.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

It is to anyone that pays attention to world events. Which does leave you out I know.

Says the person who doesn't know the difference between murder and self defense.

Says the person doesn't allow people to disagree with a jury's decision. How fascist of you.

Roflmao, again you make shit up.

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Says the person doesn't allow people to disagree with a jury's decision. How fascist of you.

Roflmao, again you make shit up.

No I don't. You are whining that I don't consider Rittenhouse the savior that you do. Too bad.