@HoolaHoopMan said:
@sargentd said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:
So your first example of 'oppression' that conservatives are feeling is with respect to a health initiative that would save tens of thousands of lives (at minimum) which has historical precedence as to it's legality? What's next, the oppressive world of seat belts!
That fits fairly well into the persecution narrative I laid out before. But thanks for confirming.
Why do you think this is about conservatives, this is not left or right. Any American can have their rights violated by the state.
The funny thing is these mandates will hurt the working class the most, it will be blue collar people most affected. The rich will be fine as always.
Anti Vax is not conservative, its also leftist. Hippies that don't believe in them as well as black Americans who don't trust a government mandated shot. If you look at the racial demographics black Americans are the most hesitant to the vaccine and they mainly vote democrat. Sure there are conservatives who don't want to do it either, what ever reason whether a pre existing condition or religious exemptions, just flat out not wanting to take it, its none of your business or the states business. but you are really trying to see this through right and left lenses and its not true.
Go ahead and fire all the working class people that don't want your shot. I'm sure that will work out great.
If this were 2020 I'm sure this conversation would revolve around coastal liberals refusing to vaccinate their children. But that isn't the case anymore. The numbers tell us that Republicans are the larger group unwilling to vaccinate themselves due to misinformation and outright lies. Lies that are costing lives I might add.
Face it. The mandate is perfectly legal and is the moral and right choice, given the hardships we face. These people aren't making a rational choice based on facts. Anti-vaccine rhetoric is rooted in misinformation and ignorance. This is one of the main reasons why your example isn't applicable to tyranny. It's a perfectly reasonable health measure response that will benefit us all. By this measure seat belts are tyranny. Food labels are tyranny. OSHA regulations in general are tyranny.
However, if we're talking efficacy of the mandate with respect to raising vaccine numbers, it's working. If a select group wants to take the stance as a martyr at the end of the day, they're free to find employment elsewhere or start their own business. I'm sure these are the same people that like to view themselves as 'job creators' too, amirite? I hope they find their bootstraps.
What lies would those be? That the "vaccine" would stop the spread of Covid? Well, that wasn't true, was it? Remember when Fauci said only 60% needed to be vaccinated for herd immunity? Then 65%, 70%, 75%, 80%, and he admitted he's been lying because he doesn't think we could handle the truth? Let's pretend one of the two biggest vaccines isn't banned in one capacity or another in several European countries due to blood clots, stroke, heart attacks, and myocardia.
Gee, I can't figure out why so many people are not trusting Fauci or the CDC... it's a fucking mystery.
Also, no, the mandate is not legal. Biden doesn't actually have the authority. Whether or not congress even has that authority is up for debate, but Biden abso-fucking-lutely on his own does not. The authority of his executive orders begins and ends with the executive branch.
Covid is not going to go away. Vaccinated people are catching and spreading it. It will mutate in their bodies even if they are asymptomatic until at some point that vaccine is useless against it and outbreaks happen all over again. It can be spread to, carried, and spread from animals, so again, unless you're vaccinating or killing every living animal in close proximity to people, it's not going away. These are the same reasons we don't have vaccines for the common cold, and why it too will never go away.
Trying to blame it on people who don't want to beta test experimental drugs isn't going to change that, nothing will. All you people are doing now is playing into political division fueled by the media for no other purpose than for political power. Covid was never going to go away, and it'll be here 20 years from now.
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