John Kelly Finally Lets Loose on Trump

John Kelly Finally Lets Loose on Trump

The former chief of staff explained, in the clearest terms yet, his misgivings about Trump’s behavior regarding North Korea, immigration, and Ukraine.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/john-kelly-alexander-vindman-north-korea-and-trump/606496/

MORRISTOWN, N.J.—Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, the former National Security Council aide and impeachment witness President Donald Trump fired Friday, was just doing his job, former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told students and guests at a Drew University event here Wednesday night.

When Vindman heard the president tell Zelensky he wanted to see the Biden family investigated, that was tantamount to hearing “an illegal order,” Kelly said. “We teach them, ‘Don’t follow an illegal order. And if you’re ever given one, you’ll raise it to whoever gives it to you that this is an illegal order, and then tell your boss.’”

Well, it was eventually going to happen. For the most part he doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know or figure. Trump is a dumb piece of shit, duh.

Oh and Trump's childish response tweets at him are insane as usual.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slams-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-and-his-wife-2020-2

Metldowns continue.

@n64dd: so now the meltdowns apply to former high level Trump appointees? No longer exclusive to liberals?

Kelly melted down? Link? You don't always have to make odd posts like Trump would.

Oh wow what a nutjob Trump is lmao.

Kelly speaks the truth...……..cons don't want to hear it.

Trolling is against forum policy, as if flame baiting. You started this thread calling Trump a dumb piece of shit in the original post hoping to tick off Trump supporters so you can cry to a forum mod that you're being trolled when someone takes the bait. This thread should be locked for a violation of the first rule of the forum rules. This is the part where I watch and wait to see if forum rules apply evenly to everyone, or people of a particular leaning get a pass.

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It's going to be pretty interesting a year or five from now, when all the former Trump administration officials start publishing memoirs chronicling their experience.

@judaspete: sell them books make that money 💰

Cant blame the playa blame the game

They gonna' make a fortune off dissing Trump and telling people about how stupid he was lol. Like we already don't know.

Kelly probably has more to tell.

My goodness this thread, TC crying for moderators to save him. Meanwhile TC is being counter-intuitive by responding to troll-posts, instead of simply ignoring them. Slow day in PG. I wonder if this place will pick up when the election gets closer.

Do you have any thoughts on Kelly's statements?

You absolutely used flame bait using language you knew would rile people up. And the SECOND somebody said something about it, you accused them of trolling and called for someone to ban or punish them. You were expecting it. And now you are trying to accuse me of derailing and trolling, hoping I will be punished for pointing out your flame baiting.

@zaryia: Sure, Trump fired him and so now hes bad mouthing him. Hopefully Kelly makes some money off giving anti trump speeches to liberals like yourself.

You know what they say, a mans gotta eat

So you trust Trump over Kelly? Why is that? Trump has told so many lies (Over 14k now right?) while Kelly is a war hero.

Seems odd.

@zaryia: you know whats funny about his statement?

"When Vindman heard the president tell Zelensky he wanted to see the Biden family investigated, that was tantamount to hearing “an illegal order,” Kelly said. “We teach them, ‘Don’t follow an illegal order. And if you’re ever given one, you’ll raise it to whoever gives it to you that this is an illegal order, and then tell your boss.’”

Biden is now getting investigated https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/482680-gop-duo-moves-ahead-with-biden-investigation

NIIICCCCCEEE!

Why don't you question how Hunter Biden got the job sitting on the board of a Ukraine energy company, getting paid upwards of 50k a month, an energy company known to be corrupt nonetheless.

Seems odd.

I called Trump a dumb piece of shit because he's a dumb piece of shit based off what I read in that article. Not to flame bait or troll people. People insulting Trump's intelligence is VERY typical. I'm sorry that you guys got so offended.

Do you want to talk about the Kelly interview Xabiss?

Why are you attacking me after my thread got ultra trolled by 100% off-topic Russian bot MAGA spam? This isn't normal behavior and you shouldn't egg it on.

Do you want to talk about the Kellly interview Xabiss?

Yes i did respond to your trump comment, i said "hes such a dumb POS he won in 2016"

and stop lying zaryia i did address Mr. Kellys statement, your quoted it ffs lol

Dude are you accidentally clicking the wrong threads?

Gas-lighting, here is the post:

^This isn't allowed. You are making random 100% off-topic MAGA posts like a Russian bot on Facebook.

Sure he is a disgruntled ex employee. Why you say angry. ROFLMAO!

You think you win at debating. ROFLMAO! Good lord man! You take this place to serious. You need to take another break.

What is wrong with you lol the quote you put in the topic of the thread is of John Kelly saying he heard that Trump asked for the Biden Family to be investigated for their business in Ukraine.

you dont even read what you post. Stop crying for mods,

pathetic

So you beleive a guy with over 15k lies vs. a war hero?

Interesting.

I've trashed you in debates more times than I can count. It's why you start your posts off at me with personal insults completely unprovoked :-)

@jeezers said:

What is wrong with you lol the quote you put in the topic of the thread is of John Kelly saying he heard Trump ask for the Bidens to be investigated for their business in Ukraine.

you dont even read what you post. Stop crying for mods,

pathetic

Your random post on Hunter didn't explain this Quote away....

Gas light much?

Whatever you say chump! Just because you think it doesnt make it true. Jesus you have a god complex. ROFLMAO!

Seriously calm down, it will all be okay. You have a tough day today? Your hatred for Trump is at an all time high. I am not saying who I believe. I know right now one side is a disgruntled employee and just because you are a war hero means nothing in this context.

Thanks.

I'll ask again. So you believe a guy with over 14k lies vs. a war hero?

(Notice how I'm the only person not taking any of this personal or using very personal attacks? That's called knowing I always win.)

And I will say again disgruntled employee.

That's kinda weak actually. We can just compare their character and who is more or less trustworthy based off of false statements.

@zaryia said:

@jeezers said:

What is wrong with you lol the quote you put in the topic of the thread is of John Kelly saying he heard Trump ask for the Bidens to be investigated for their business in Ukraine.

you dont even read what you post. Stop crying for mods,

pathetic

Your random post on Hunter didn't explain this away....

The entire meat of your thread is that Kelly said Trump asked for the bidens to be investigated, so bringing up the Hunter Biden is fair game.

How am i not allowed to bring up hunter bidens buisness in Ukraine, when the entire thread is about Kelly making the claim Trump wanted the Biden family investigated for their business in Ukraine.

HOW SWAY

Just because you are a war hero, doesn't mean you are right. Just saying.

I do thank the man for his service though!

Compare his character and service to Trump's character and lies. Tens of thousands of lies. And all of the legal experts who agree with Kelly.

No brainer.

@jeezers: Kelly is just stating a fact on that particular matter though. It is what happened, and that is what Vindman was trained to do.

Your Hunter facts don't refute Kelly's facts. Whatever Hunter did does not alter what he stated.

You are correct in that I should have called them red-herrings instead of offtopic. Sorry, your mind boggling first post got me confused in regards to your intentions ITT.

I also thank you for eventually discussing the topic. I'm always happy to provide learning experience to make people here better posters.

Are you alright? Genuinely concerned.

At this point I'm surprised Trump cultists don't call him out on his bad judgement when picking his staff.

@n64dd: You are concerned that I told people to stop detailing my thread and they listened? I'd be scared if I didn't know you were just an act. I'm proud of Jeezers for doing the right thing. Maybe you will learn from me too!

Want to discuss the thread? What are your thoughts on Kelly's interview? Is there anything you disagree with from Kelly? And why?

@phbz: Well, it's a cult. They can't admit any wrong doing by dear leader. Even when it's factually confirmed faults.