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Poll Jeffrey Epstein dead of apparent suicide hours after released documents name several political figures (53 votes)

Nothing to see here, he killed himself. 28%
The Clintons had him killed. 23%
Trump had him killed. 9%
Some other powerful figure not named above had him killed. 32%
He’s not dead, he’s in witness protection. 8%
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#51 LJS9502_basic
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@npiet1 said:

Trump retweeted that it was a Clinton conspiracy. So hopefully he pushes for investigations because I don't think he killed himself. I think there's a lot more to it. Where's the footage?

It's not unlikely that someone in his position would kill himself. That is an outcome that happens every day in prisons. Also it would need more than one person to be involved. I think conspiracy theories to be crazy particularly when thus far nothing has surfaced to give pause.

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#52  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Did they release their reading of the camera footage yet? We'll know if it was suicide at least.

And in that case all that remains is to be seen is whether there was blackmail.

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@npiet1: the last thing Trump want is an investigation into Trump's death.

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#54  Edited By Zaryia
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@zaryia: No but they will be voting for the next one.

And several far right insane loons blaming Clinton will be voting Trump.

I'm just saying the actual President retweeted this nonsense is disturbing.

@r-gamer said:

And you far left loons have no end to crazy.

I'm not far left though. All of my positions are supported by 50% or more of the American Public.

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What a way to base one positions. I remember when less than 50% of the "American Public" thought same sex couples should be able to marry.

Weak.

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@Master_Live said:

What a way to base one positions. I remember when less than 50% of the "American Public" thought same sex couples should be able to marry.

Weak.

He never said that was the reason for his positions...

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#57 mattbbpl
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@Nuck81: "the last thing Trump want is an investigation into Trump's death."

An investigation into my own death is the last thing I'd want, too

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@mattbbpl: "I'm drunk on day 2 of a 3 day bachelor party"

That's some pretty hardcore shit.

Time of my life. I'm dragging today, but it was well worth it.

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@Nuck81 said:

@npiet1: the last thing Trump want is an investigation into Trump's death.

No one wants to investigate their own death.

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@Master_Live said:

What a way to base one positions. I remember when less than 50% of the "American Public" thought same sex couples should be able to marry.

Weak.

That is not why I hold the positions.

I already held those positions, they just happen to be popular. I'm just explaining why I'm not even remotely from "far left".

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#61 lamprey263
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Well, couldn't have been Trump or anybody in his orbit. They're all too stupid. But he did party with other powerful people. Man, like this DC Madam thing all over again. Then again, I hear in prison that people who've done this stuff universally hated by other inmates. If it wasn't the deep state's albino assassin it could have been a fellow inmate.

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@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:

What a way to base one positions. I remember when less than 50% of the "American Public" thought same sex couples should be able to marry.

Weak.

That is not why I hold the positions.

I already held those positions, they just happen to be popular. I'm just explaining why I'm not even remotely from "far left".

What a happy coincidence. It is like having our own GS based poll tested Hillary Clinton clone.

To have it straight, do you hold any "position" on any subject (that has been polled) that isn't currently supported by at least 50% of the "American public"?

And I'm pretty sure supporting same sex marriage (among other things) was at some point in time thought of as "far left" so I don't know why you keep holding that up like it is something to be proud of.

Did you supported same sex marriage when less than 50% of the "American public" supported it yes or no?

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@Master_Live said:
@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:

What a way to base one positions. I remember when less than 50% of the "American Public" thought same sex couples should be able to marry.

Weak.

That is not why I hold the positions.

I already held those positions, they just happen to be popular. I'm just explaining why I'm not even remotely from "far left".

What a happy coincidence.

That's not a coincidence.....that's statistically a higher likely hood because many of those views are widely held.

lol?

@Master_Live said:

It is like having our own GS based poll tested Hillary Clinton clone.

What the does this have to do with Hillary Clinton?

You're making this into a really big deal. Are you this upset that it turned out I'm not far left?

@Master_Live said:

To have it straight, do you hold any "position" on any subject (that has been polled) that isn't currently supported by at least 50% of the "American public"?

Yes. But not enough to be considered "far left".

Is it this hard to follow?

@Master_Live said:

Did you supported same sex marriage when less than 50% of the "American public" supported it yes or no?

No. I didn't always support same sex marriage.

I'm not far left, his post was shit. Relax.

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#64  Edited By comp_atkins
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Did anyone see the body yet?

Most likely someone got bribed/threatened to take him off of suicide watch and he killed himself to protect his own family.

yup. you don't have to actively kill him. just remove the protections and let the problem take care of itself

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@horgen said:

If only he knew, like no documents to back things up, what would be the point in killing him? It would be words against words with no evidence to back it up.

If evidence exist, unless it was locked so only he could access it, killing him won't make that go away. So what am I missing here?

I have a strong feeling that evidence is going to be lost in a convenient fire or somehow be "insufficient" to hold anyone else. After reports today that Epstein wasn't checked on for several hours during his apparent suicide, it's seems clear to me someone is intentionally mismanaging things in the justice department.

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#66 Jacanuk
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@horgen said:

I'm guessing suicide.

We have a winner here.

The only thing that has happened here is negligent behaviour among the cops who did not put him on proper suicide watch and also some cops who "forgot" to check up on him like they should every 30mins.

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@comp_atkins: someone would have had to give him something to kill himself correct...

Apparently they are reporting complications with his autopsy.

What did he do bash his head into the wall untill he died, people arent givin any thing that could be used while on suicide watch

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@jeezers said:

@comp_atkins: someone would have had to give him something to kill himself correct...

Apparently they are reporting complications with his autopsy.

What did he do bash his head into the wall untill he died, people arent givin any thing that could be used while on suicide watch

by protections i mean he was taken off watch, not that he was being guarded.

they knew he likely wanted to off himself, otherwise why put him on watch in the first place?




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@comp_atkins said:
@jeezers said:

@comp_atkins: someone would have had to give him something to kill himself correct...

Apparently they are reporting complications with his autopsy.

What did he do bash his head into the wall untill he died, people arent givin any thing that could be used while on suicide watch

by protections i mean he was taken off watch, not that he was being guarded.

they knew he likely wanted to off himself, otherwise why put him on watch in the first place?

Considering his charges I doubt they felt they'd lose sleep over it if he did. As to the other comment people kill themselves in jail frequently. It's not like it's an aberration.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@comp_atkins said:
@jeezers said:

@comp_atkins: someone would have had to give him something to kill himself correct...

Apparently they are reporting complications with his autopsy.

What did he do bash his head into the wall untill he died, people arent givin any thing that could be used while on suicide watch

by protections i mean he was taken off watch, not that he was being guarded.

they knew he likely wanted to off himself, otherwise why put him on watch in the first place?

Considering his charges I doubt they felt they'd lose sleep over it if he did. As to the other comment people kill themselves in jail frequently. It's not like it's an aberration.

Considering the potential testimony he could give up, he was more valuable alive than dead. Even someone like bin Laden would have been more valuable alive for interrogation purposes versus killing him and feeding him to the sharks.

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Many powerful people didn't want him speaking and probably threatened him to commit suicide. US is corrupt af, just as corrupt as the Mexican and south American governments are. I hope people wake up from this illusion that US is just, and represents freedom and righteousness. If Uncle Sam wants someone dead, they're going to end up dead. If Uncle Sam wants to keep someone alive, they will be strapped to a bed in a straight jacket, and sedated.

I heard prince Andrew was involved with epstein... tarnishing the reputation of the monarchy. That's just how high this goes and it's not even the tip of the iceberg.

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#72 comp_atkins
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@blaznwiipspman1 said:

Many powerful people didn't want him speaking and probably threatened him to commit suicide. US is corrupt af, just as corrupt as the Mexican and south American governments are. I hope people wake up from this illusion that US is just, and represents freedom and righteousness. If Uncle Sam wants someone dead, they're going to end up dead. If Uncle Sam wants to keep someone alive, they will be strapped to a bed in a straight jacket, and sedated.

I heard prince Andrew was involved with epstein... tarnishing the reputation of the monarchy. That's just how high this goes and it's not even the tip of the iceberg.

i think in the end, people really wouldn't have cared much. makes for scandalous headlines but everyone already knows a lot of people in power are complete dog shit.

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@ad1x2 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@comp_atkins said:
@jeezers said:

@comp_atkins: someone would have had to give him something to kill himself correct...

Apparently they are reporting complications with his autopsy.

What did he do bash his head into the wall untill he died, people arent givin any thing that could be used while on suicide watch

by protections i mean he was taken off watch, not that he was being guarded.

they knew he likely wanted to off himself, otherwise why put him on watch in the first place?

Considering his charges I doubt they felt they'd lose sleep over it if he did. As to the other comment people kill themselves in jail frequently. It's not like it's an aberration.

Considering the potential testimony he could give up, he was more valuable alive than dead. Even someone like bin Laden would have been more valuable alive for interrogation purposes versus killing him and feeding him to the sharks.

This is simply not true. Bin Laden was KOS because it was the best and only solution since no prison in America or anywhere would have been able to keep the guy safe, not to mention a court cast would have been a massive PR platform for him.

As to Epstein, what he may or may not have been able to share about "rich people" is all speculation and the facts are that the police and FBI messed up, by not placing him on actual suicide watch and by not upholding the 30min check after his first attempt.

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#74 mrbojangles25
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"Suicide"

In all seriousness, I think he probably just killed himself. The guy was a full-blown narcissist with delusions of grandeur; guy literally wanted to impregnate as many women as he could in order to get his allegedly-superior DNA out into the world (in other words, he was a eugenicist).

Someone with such an inflated view of themselves doesn't do indignation well, and would probably think he is A.) taking the honorable way out instead of the cowardly way out, and B.) martyring himself for some sick twisted cause.

As for the conspiracy theories, it's not that big of a stretch to think he was coaxed into killing himself. He was going to die in prison anyway.

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@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:
@zaryia said:
@Master_Live said:

What a way to base one positions. I remember when less than 50% of the "American Public" thought same sex couples should be able to marry.

Weak.

That is not why I hold the positions.

I already held those positions, they just happen to be popular. I'm just explaining why I'm not even remotely from "far left".

What a happy coincidence.

That's not a coincidence.....that's statistically a higher likely hood because many of those views are widely held.

lol?

@Master_Live said:

It is like having our own GS based poll tested Hillary Clinton clone.

What the does this have to do with Hillary Clinton?

You're making this into a really big deal. Are you this upset that it turned out I'm not far left?

@Master_Live said:

To have it straight, do you hold any "position" on any subject (that has been polled) that isn't currently supported by at least 50% of the "American public"?

Yes. But not enough to be considered "far left".

Is it this hard to follow?

@Master_Live said:

Did you supported same sex marriage when less than 50% of the "American public" supported it yes or no?

No. I didn't always support same sex marriage.

I'm not far left, his post was shit. Relax.

No, I'm not upset you didn't turn out to far left I find it hilarious that you put up so much stock on whether someone calls you far left or not.

I think women should be able to abort up to very instant before they give birth. I don't care where that puts me in the "political spectrum". What's right is right no matter if everyone agrees with you or if you in a minority of 1. Don't get so hung over what polls say, they're just an instrument.

So, did you change your mind about same sex marriage when "public" support when over 50%?

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@Master_Live said:

No, I'm not upset you didn't turn out to far left I find it hilarious that you put up so much stock on whether someone calls you far left or not.

I think women should be able to abort up to very instant before they give birth. I don't care where that puts me in the "political spectrum". What's right is right no matter if everyone agrees with you or if you in a minority of 1. Don't get so hung over what polls say, they're just an instrument.

So, did you change your mind about same sex marriage when "public" support when over 50%?

No. I didn't change my mind due to public pressure. I changed my mind due to personal reasons.

I'm simply using public opinion data to show my views are not considered "far left", as the moron stated. Not to say high public approval is why I believe in those views.

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@mrbojangles25: I hope he wasn't the religious type. :P

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#78  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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Trump is right to direct this at the Clintons, they are essentially Americas royal family. Mafioso like.

The left are deliberately ignoring this desperately hoping Trump is involves, praying. It's really sad.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Trump is right to direct this at the Clintons, they are essentially Americas royal family. Mafioso like.

The left are deliberately ignoring this desperately hoping Trump is involves, praying. It's really sad.

Hahaha...…..the tin hat is showing. This is why conservatives can't be taken seriously.

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@mrbojangles25: How many kids did he have?

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@mrbojangles25: How many kids did he have?

I don't know if he was successful or not.

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@Master_Live: Not surprising. That Corrections Center is shorthanded and they've been working long hours. trump's justice department.

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@Master_Live: Not surprising. That Corrections Center is shorthanded and they've been working long hours. trump's justice department.

Yup, of course, it´s Trump and can you link me to the massive budget cuts that have happened during Trump´s term?

Also, try not to fall over your own words in your attempt to blame someone else than Obama.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: Not surprising. That Corrections Center is shorthanded and they've been working long hours. trump's justice department.

Yup, of course, it´s Trump and can you link me to the massive budget cuts that have happened during Trump´s term?

Also, try not to fall over your own words in your attempt to blame someone else than Obama.

trump's justice department. He's had time to fund things...….of course the massive tax cuts to the wealthy may have had something to with his inability.

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#86 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@Master_Live: Not surprising. That Corrections Center is shorthanded and they've been working long hours. trump's justice department.

Yup, of course, it´s Trump and can you link me to the massive budget cuts that have happened during Trump´s term?

Also, try not to fall over your own words in your attempt to blame someone else than Obama.

trump's justice department. He's had time to fund things...….of course the massive tax cuts to the wealthy may have had something to with his inability.

Funny but I do get that you want to protect your former favourite president but Obama had plenty of time IE 2 terms to fund it properly

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

Yup, of course, it´s Trump and can you link me to the massive budget cuts that have happened during Trump´s term?

Also, try not to fall over your own words in your attempt to blame someone else than Obama.

trump's justice department. He's had time to fund things...….of course the massive tax cuts to the wealthy may have had something to with his inability.

Funny but I do get that you want to protect your former favourite president but Obama had plenty of time IE 2 terms to fund it properly

Straw man arguments now. trump is now president. He has NOT rectified the situation. He is the in charge of the country NOW. Stop deflecting.

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#88 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

Funny but I do get that you want to protect your former favourite president but Obama had plenty of time IE 2 terms to fund it properly

Straw man arguments now. trump is now president. He has NOT rectified the situation. He is the in charge of the country NOW. Stop deflecting.

Not a strawman argument at all, not even sure where you got that idea from.

Obama had 8 years to fix it and Bush before him had the same, the problem is not suddenly here because Trump is president.

Not to mention that it´s also up to the departments themselves how they want to use the funding they get.

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Autopsy report is stating epstien has several neck bones broken. This is more common with strangulation than by hanging, also epstien had no where to hang from in his cell. The only way to do it would have been to tie the sheet around his neck and pull forward untill he lost oxygen to his brain.

Hard to believe he broke his neck by doing this imo.

Also people are saying there was shrieking and yelling from his cell.

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Fincher or Bennett Miller should direct the film.

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@Master_Live: If anything we will get a shitty Netflix special

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#92 Jacanuk
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@jeezers said:

Autopsy report is stating epstien has several neck bones broken. This is more common with strangulation than by hanging, also epstien had no where to hang from in his cell. The only way to do it would have been to tie the sheet around his neck and pull forward untill he lost oxygen to his brain.

Hard to believe he broke his neck by doing this imo.

Also people are saying there was shrieking and yelling from his cell.

Which people? are saying that

Also if this is a big coverup and not just negligence, why wouldn´t they just get him released on bail and do it in his private home where no one would be the wiser.

Conspiracies are fun and all but people need to make up better shit.

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@Jacanuk: a bunch of outlets are reporting it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-report-hyoid-unusual-broken-neck-bones-1202668800/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2021047001

The guy who checked his neck said those kind of breaks are more common with strangulation.

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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html

Pretty creepy that this man had this much power.

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#95 Gaming-Planet
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@jeezers said:

@Jacanuk: a bunch of outlets are reporting it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-had-broken-neck-bones.html.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-report-hyoid-unusual-broken-neck-bones-1202668800/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2021047001

The guy who checked his neck said those kind of breaks are more common with strangulation.

This dude was definitely murdered, or at the very least, aided in his suicide.

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#96 LJS9502_basic
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@jeezers said:

Autopsy report is stating epstien has several neck bones broken. This is more common with strangulation than by hanging, also epstien had no where to hang from in his cell. The only way to do it would have been to tie the sheet around his neck and pull forward untill he lost oxygen to his brain.

Hard to believe he broke his neck by doing this imo.

Also people are saying there was shrieking and yelling from his cell.

Really? Because it was reported it was consistent with hanging.

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#97 jeezers
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@LJS9502_basic: hanging from what?

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Still waiting for the camera footage. They're not very fast with all this.

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@jeezers said:

@LJS9502_basic: hanging from what?

You don't know what suicide from hanging is? PS it breaks the bones in the neck.

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#100 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@jeezers said:

@LJS9502_basic: hanging from what?

You don't know what suicide from hanging is? PS it breaks the bones in the neck.

Doubt you will convince him.

It´s like with all conspiracy fans, they disregard common sense.