If Trump loses his Presidency this year do you think his followers will retaliate with violence?

First, the CIA is not a domestic intelligence agency so let´s get that argument out of the way instantly, nor is it a part of DHS.

FBI is also not a member of DHS, nor is allowed to operate on foreign soil to "install authoritarian regimes".

And lastly, ANTIFA is categorised as a domestic terrorist org. because they are a domestic terrorist org and operates by terrorising the general public either by violence or more violence to conform to their ways.

The DNC is actively trying to sabotage Bernie's campaign by artificially boosting Buttigieg, Warren and Biden through propaganda, attack ads and manipulation of the Iowa caucus. But hey, you wouldn't know that if all you watch is the mainstream media.

And Bernie is just left of centre. He's a social democrat, still in favour of capitalism, just one with checks and balances on the ultra wealthy and fair social services that the working class are already paying taxes for. You have no idea what someone truly far to the left would be doing as a politician.

Do you really think that Antifa’s only targets are right-wingers that they deem racists? The same Antifa that has put multiple people (to include a gay Asian journalist) in the hospital?

Sure, they‘re just as brave as the men that landed on Omaha Beach. Too bad they weren’t brave enough to stand up to the people that protested the gun laws in Virginia last month. Maybe because the people protesting were armed, unlike the many other people they have targeted in the past?

We are not in WW2

Get your head out of your fairy tales

I had 2 grandfathers ACTUALLY fight and kill the nazis.

Leftists burned and rioted in Berkeley over a conservative gay guy speaking there ffs lol

I love listening to people pretend they are "fighting back against the NaZIs" Like everyone who's not a vegan, socialist, tree hugging, acid dropping, college student, is a Nazi.

The left has watered down the word Nazi like they watered down the word racist...

Everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi and everything is racist.

"X is X because these select government agencies that have been historically documented actively participating in meddling in foreign governments and societies (essentially committing government-mandated acts of terrorism) say they are X"

Okay, I'm glad we established that. Now we can go on to say that just because they proclaim them as a terrorist organization doesn't mean they are one.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-white-supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

Antifa is responsible for less deaths than Muslim extremism and right-wing extremism. But hey, you've probably got some sort of dismissal all ready for the Anti-Defamation League.

That is why the left is consistently more responsible for violence. They have convinced themselves that it's okay to physically assault someone they think is a Nazi. And at the same time they've convinced themselves that everyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi. They have declared themselves judge, jury, and executioner.

Considering their group's creed is to actively fight against the alt-right, fascists and literal Nazis, yes.

Talk about reading so far between the lines you lose the meaning behind the original statement. Wow, that's impressive.

Antifa didn't fight against the armed protesters because those who lean far to the left and aren't authoritarian political leaders heavily tend to be anarchists, who also support a citizen's right to be armed in defense against the government.

I don't feel like posting pictures of literal Nazis marching around the US being protected by the local law enforcement agencies. I don't like giving them attention. You clearly are so moderate you make fence-sitting look like an artform, so are not worth my time.

Ok, so what i get from this post is "Experts and serious facts used to make a point is not valid because ????"

I can only assume why you seem to defend ANTIFA who by the very same experts you hail when they come out in favour of your opinion, has by facts correctly labelled ANTIFA as a domestic terrorist org.

Also, because someone is worse or more violent does not mean that ANTIFA can´t be it as well.

As to ANTIFA, they may right now be responsible for fewer deaths, but terrorism is much more than just running into a street and shooting someone. ANTIFA is actually a far worse terrorist org. in the sense that they can stop traffic in a street and terrorise the local citizens for hours and no one does anything, or they can be so violent and ends up destroying cities and no one stops them.

When did I say Antifa wasn't violent? When did I say violence can't be a solution to a problem?

And they are "worse" than right-wing extremists that literally kill people for being different because they mildly inconvenience commuters? Are you kidding?

Then why argue against a fair and unbiased decision by the same intelligence agencies you hail as Knights of the round truth-table when they go against republicans.

DHS, FBI and others saying ANTIFA is a domestic terrorist org does not exclude anyone else from being it or being worse in the sense they may kill more.

All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism, according to new report

https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

• A mass shooting in El Paso, Texasas reignited a nationwide conversation on white nationalism and right-wing violence.
• A January 2019 report shows all the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to right-wing extremism.
• The report's findings are consistent with other fairly recent studies on extremism in the US, which have shown right-wing extremism and violence are on the rise.
• There were at least 50 extremist-related killings in 2018, according to the report, making it the fourth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970.

"The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists," the report states. "Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case."

Guns were involved in the vast majority of the killings – 42 of out 50.

The Anti-Defamation League's findings are consistent with other recent research on right-wing extremism in the US, which shows it's on the rise.

"The number of terrorist attacks by far-right perpetrators rose over the past decade, more than quadrupling between 2016 and 2017," the Center for Strategic and International Studies said in a November 2018 report. "The recent pipe bombs and the October 27, 2018, synagogue attack in Pittsburgh are symptomatic of this trend."

Correspondingly, a November 2018 analysis from The Washington Post on global terrorism data showed that far-right violence has been on the rise since President Donald Trump entered the White House.

"Over the past decade, attackers motivated by right-wing political ideologies have committed dozens of shootings, bombings and other acts of violence, far more than any other category of domestic extremist," the report stated.

But if they are a "terrorist organization" that would imply it is their goal to cause death. That's not their goal. Their goal is to fight (sometimes with violence, but not fatally) against Nazis, the alt-right and fascism. All things that are troublingly becoming significantly more common in society and government.

Why take the piss out of the republicans?

Is that a troll post, vast majority of terrorists are right wingers...

A for hyperbole but stick to facts. Not flights of fancy.

The facts are it is assault, and you'll still be arrested for it.

Jaywalking is a crime too. *shocked face*

"milkshakes" with concrete can hurt a lot more. Just ask the guy they put in the hospital.

Your point?

@plageus900 said:

@sn0man:

Republicans:

Well now, this comment violates the first three rules of the forum.

@plageus900 said:

@sn0man:

Republicans:

Purple hair and tattoos? BBW and McLuvin it? Sorry, pictures 1 and 3 are also democrats.

Very likely a few of them will. Charlottesville and the attempted bombings by Caesar Sayoc were signs of that.

From an outsiders perspective, you do seem to be very polarizing right about now with quite the harsh language thrown at those supporting the "other team"

Rivalry is one thing and it's sometimes great, but frankly the whole Republicans vs Democrats & Conservatives vs Liberals is starting to look more and more like a feud between Hatfields & McCoys with the animosity brewing more and more.

Imagine what the first guy will do if Trump loses in 2020.

We really need to look at the left wingers. They are getting pretty scary

Something being a "crime" on the books doesn't necessarily make it a morally/ethically "bad" thing.

And I suppose TP'ing someone's house is a test run for throwing torches at it and burning it down. Besides, they could have soaked those rolls of TP in kerosene...

You're reaching, dude.

Everyone get's death threats, to be fair.

Not excusing it, just saying there's nothing special about this.

That's kind of how I feel.

While I generally don't support abuse, assault, or even harsh language directed towards someone, if you are asking me to choose between a bunch of angry hippies beating up bigots, or asking me to stick up for the bigots, I'm sorry but I'm going to side with the angry hippies.

There are bad people out there and it's not the liberals, progressives, moderates, or conservatives; it's the far right.

Right, but there's crazy and then there's crazy crazy.

Like, you date a girl, it doesn't work, and you dump her. She ends up calling you non-stop for a week. That's crazy. Unsettling. But ultimately harmless.

Then you go date another girl and, again, it doesn't work so you dump her. You don't hear from her for a few days, but then you wake up one day to find your dog poisoned, your name burnt into the grass in your front yard, and your car window smashed. You call the police and ultimately they find out it was her.

Sure, both are crazy, but tell me: which one are you worried about?

Likewise, out of the left and the right, which are you concerned about? The folks that beat up nazis, or the folks that idolize a genocidal maniac and want to turn the US into the Fourth Reich?

eh. the vitriol can get fairly heated but in the end, MOST of the time, it's just words from both sides.

hell we just went through a presidential impeachment which is a fairly jarring thing politically and for all the support and hatred of the president from the two sides, how was it "fought"? with just words. that's pretty incredible if you think about it. no shots were fired, no tanks rolled into the capital to try to oust the leader like you see in many other places around the world still.

I am more concerned with the crowd who actually thinks there are Nazis in the US, and use that to justify physical assault against anyone they disagree with no matter what their actual ideals are. You may think it's okay to beat up a Nazi, but even if someone was an actual neo-Nazi, it's still not okay to physically assault them, or ANYONE for their beliefs. Most Americans are going to be concerned about the left, and what you just said highlights exactly why that is so. Who makes you judge and jury to determine that it's okay to physically harm someone?

Right, which is why I said earlier that I don't support violence of any* kind.

But, if you had to pick a side, which one would you pick?

And don't tell me neo-nazis don't deserve to get the shit kicked out of them. Blah blah blah freedom of speech yeah, I get it...but just remember, if they had their way any non-white, non-Christians would be killed or mistreated.

And if you believe there are no neo-nazis in the US, buddy I got news for you: there are. Neo-nazis and nazi-like folks all over.

I'm not saying I support violence, I'm not saying we should start hunting down neo-nazis and bigots, and I'm not saying we should use it as an excuse to beat up people that don't agree with me...I'm just saying, hypothetically, if you had to pick a side I would hope you'd realize it's the neo-nazi right-wingers that deserve to get their ass beat.

It's not about being judge and jury, it's just one of those simple facts of life: nazis deserve to get their ass beat.

*the exception being nazis, of course.

We aren't talking about differences over tax policy, foreign relations, or any other stuff we could debate over. We are talking about people who hate other people because of their race or religion. It's pretty simple, really, and saying "we are just using it as an excuse to attack people with different opinions" is a copout.

Yes I was pleasantly surprised by the lack of violence and protest.

This is what happens when people have something to live for; they don't fight, they don't risk their life, they don't upset the balance.

This is why instead of invading and bombing and destroying our enemies we should bring them prosperity, TV, manufactured goods, the internet, education, and all the other trappings of modern, Western civilization.

I don't mean that in any sinister sort of way, I'm just saying if people had an xbox to play and a full belly instead of a Quran to read and starvation, they probably wouldn't blow themselves up

God bless the USA, warts and all.

Nobody deserves having the shit kicked out of them for their beliefs. Actions, perhaps, beliefs, words, no. This is why most Americans are never going to be on your side. Nazis rationalized their actions in their own minds to justify it with their conscience, just as you are doing now. Right now, the only one here talking and sounding like a Nazi with hateful rhetoric and calling for the oppression of people based on their beliefs, is you. You are nobodies judge and jury, and you have no right to commit acts of violence against people that you have determined you do not agree with. People have a right to say what they want in this country, and you can disagree with it, but the second you lay a finger on someone for their beliefs, you become the bad guy, and deserve jail time for it.

We are not cowards, we respect the law something the left can't. If they don't get their way they get violent. You can't even disagree with the left without them becoming violent.

it's in all our best interests for everyone on earth to have improved standards of living.

No you do NOT respect the law. Hell the GOP wouldn't even entertain following the law in the Senate trial. Take that bs and stop pretending.

Well they preach respect of practical law--listening to police, supporting police, obeying the law even if you don't agree with it, maximum prison sentences, immigration law, and all that jazz--until it gets to a certain level where it actually pertains to their jobs as politicians.

Then they say "**** it".

It's a smart move; it let's their followers think they're righteous, while allowing them to mess around with the stuff that really matters.

I'd rather have a bit more chaos in my personal life if it meant politicians were a bit more law-abiding.

@eoten: I agree with the spirit and idealism of your post and beliefs. I just have a hard time abiding the existence of nazis. I don't believe free speech is unconditional, especially for those that hide behind that privilege.

No, because generally speaking conservatives aren't violent people. I know there are a lot of leftists here, but a lot of violence (especially lately) I have seen from the radical left: the assassination attempt against a Republican congressman, ANTIFA and their well-documented violence against people who have different beliefs and of course Black Lives Matters. There was actually a disgusting video (that I think has since been removed from YouTube) and it was members of Black Lives Matters stopping white people, pulling them out of cars, and savagely beating them just because they were white.

I am not saying that there is no violence from the radical right, but there are like what less than 1000 KKK members in the US today? Serious threat right? Wrong. I detest political violence on both sides- if you don't have the same beliefs, that is fine, but some people think its OK to attack people with different beliefs and that is not OK.

In the senate the law was followed it was the Dems in the house that did not follow the law. Show me the violent demonstrations that followed Obama's elections. In fact when the folks on the right have a demonstration or gathering they clean up after themselves and don't leave the area littered unlike any demonstration or gathering by the left, who are so concerned about the environment leave a terrible mess for someone else to clean up.

No the law was NOT followed. He was impeached and the Senate needed to conduct the trial. They did not. And if it was a Democrat impeached and the Senate failing to do their job you'd be the loudest whining about it. If you hold a double standard...…….you know you're wrong.

I am always amazed at people on the far-left and how certain they are of their opinions. It´s almost like they don´t get that they are just stating opinions and not facts.

If you think I'm far left then you surely are far right.

If you think I am far right then you clearly don´t pay attention to anything in this forum.

Dude I'm using your definitions. You have to be far right to call me far left. Period.

How on earth do you get 2 + 2 to be 100 ?

I am not comparing you to me when I say that you are far-left, that is based on your posts on this forum nothing else.