She still would have been better then Trump....and if you say otherwise no matter how much you dislike her(she disgusts me and ill admit I voted for her) then you are a fucking liar and a cad.
Please tell us what else you can see in your alternate universe crystal ball that sees what is, was, and would have been.
A president who is actually consistent, and prob just picked up where obama left off.
You seem like one of the simpletons still clinging to the idea that Trump is some divine president.....good luck with that
And sexist Bernie supporters voted for Jill Stein because they can't stand a woman in power apparently.
Eh she probably got some Republican votes.............
Gary Johnson actually tripled his percentage of the popular vote over the 2012 elections. Republicans definitely broke for the Libertarian candidate, not the Green. More people voted for Romney in 2012 than voted for DJT.
And sexist Bernie supporters voted for Jill Stein because they can't stand a woman in power apparently.
Eh she probably got some Republican votes.............
Gary Johnson actually tripled his percentage of the popular vote over the 2012 elections. Republicans definitely broke for the Libertarian candidate, not the Green. More people voted for Romney in 2012 than voted for DJT.
I'm just saying the third parties got votes from both parties.
I'm just saying the third parties got votes from both parties.
True, but the whole "Sexist Bernie Supporters" argument is a farce. Am I saying that some sexist crap wasn't thrown Hillary's way? Certainly not. I just think it is far more likely that a bunch of Trumpties, seeking to create division leading up to the election, probably wore sheep's clothing in online threads. The actual vote tallies do not support this idea that a bunch of leftist progressives broke for Trump to keep a woman from being elected. Third party voting was, however, relatively sky high in 2016.
One must accept one of two things to be true, in light of Hillary's recent comments. Either she is dumb as hell and doesn't know any better, or she is smart as hell, and is engaging in divisive demagoguery to serve her own ego and interests.
@Mercenary848: I didn't vote for Trump. I voted third party. I've never been a trump supporter. I do however think it is retarded to be so pissed off by his existence.
I don't know if Hillary would be better or worse and I don't claim to have the power of knowing.
I'm just saying the third parties got votes from both parties.
True, but the whole "Sexist Bernie Supporters" argument is a farce. Am I saying that some sexist crap wasn't thrown Hillary's way? Certainly not. I just think it is far more likely that a bunch of Trumpties, seeking to create division leading up to the election, probably wore sheep's clothing in online threads. The actual vote tallies do not support this idea that a bunch of leftist progressives broke for Trump to keep a woman from being elected. Third party voting was, however, relatively sky high in 2016.
One must accept one of two things to be true, in light of Hillary's recent comments. Either she is dumb as hell and doesn't know any better, or she is smart as hell, and is engaging in divisive demagoguery to serve her own ego and interests.
I wonder why those who don't like her are so obsessed with her.............
I wonder why those who don't like her are so obsessed with her.............
I think it's the pity-fest that is her book tour. You have to admit, it proves every single negative stereotype of her. She's outright lying on TV about Bernie Sanders, she's refusing to admit the simple truth that she is an embattled candidate from the get-go. She side-steps the issue of the collusion between party leadership and her campaign. It's all divisive and self-centered. The worst part about it isn't that she is re litigating a hard-fought campaign or that it is her right to do so, it's that her party got trounced in said election and she is acting like the sole victim of outside forces.
Some people hate to hear this, and Lord knows, it's been said before. She took the whole party down with her. People's distrust of the Democratic Party reached an all-time low. Every single advantage that could be given to a political candidate was given to her and everybody knew it. It was the single biggest weapon to be used against her. Why she, or anyone for that matter, thinks it's a good idea for her to pander the victim complex to her supporters at a time when the party is reshaping itself for the road ahead is beyond imagining. Why she chose so soon after the election to do this is a question worth asking. Why she is dragging a politician who actually enjoys wide popularity and is pushing for reforms to this day is. . . mystifying.
Why are people so easily triggered by Hilary Clinton. Im no fan, but jesus people treat her like the boogie man
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@kittennose said:
The Democrats have to squabble more then the GOP. It is the nature of being the liberal party. Conservatives (at least claim to) favor stability and the status quo. Liberals (at least claim to) favor progress. A natural result of this is that liberals must constantly cannibalize their own party to keep up.
As example: Gay Marriage.
10 years ago to be elected as the Nominee for the Democratic Party you had to be a champion for marriage inequality. It was a simple prerequisite. If someone claimed the Nominee was only pretending to be homophobic to get votes in the heartland, the Democratic Party collectively would bristle. How dare question their Christ ordained belief in heterosuperiority!? Implying they secretly viewed homosexuals as equals was taboo. You can't question their faith like that!
Even Barack Obama stepped up to the plate in 2008 and tried to sell America on separate but equal.
Flash Forward to 2016 and anyone who didn't change their position in 2011-12 (when equality got popular support among the Democratic party) was literally considered deplorable by the Democratic Nominee for President. You know, despite the fact that she herself championed inequality for decades, and only changed her mind when polls changed. You can't have massive swings like that without pushback. The people to the right of center get left behind. The people left of center get super ticked off. After all, the jerks who fought tooth and nail against them are now showing up to take all the credit. One second after all the hard work was done.
That is the role of the liberal party. They tell you the ideas you held as absolute truth 10 years ago are evil. You must now adopt the set of idea, and we will all pretend we wont consider them evil in 10 years.
By contrast, the role of the conservative party is to absorb those who get left behind when they refuse to evolve. Your view on homosexuals could have come from 2008CE or 2008BCE for all they care. They just want you to call it AD and BC, cause change is bad.
I was watching Clinton's interview in Vox and she said something that resonated with me in that, according to her, "you have to work the system to get what you want." She has a point. And considering her failed attempt to reform healthcare while she was first lady is also a great example of someone being too liberal and then alienating people who may not share your values and beliefs despite maybe agreeing with some of her ideas.
I think Obama said what he said in 2008 is the same reason why Lincoln said what he said about slavery when he was running for the presidency: They were men of their time, running for an office that demanded the people vote for them who, overall, may not have agreed what they may actually think.
I wonder why those who don't like her are so obsessed with her.............
I think it's the pity-fest that is her book tour. You have to admit, it proves every single negative stereotype of her. She's outright lying on TV about Bernie Sanders, she's refusing to admit the simple truth that she is an embattled candidate from the get-go. She side-steps the issue of the collusion between party leadership and her campaign. It's all divisive and self-centered. The worst part about it isn't that she is re litigating a hard-fought campaign or that it is her right to do so, it's that her party got trounced in said election and she is acting like the sole victim of outside forces.
Some people hate to hear this, and Lord knows, it's been said before. She took the whole party down with her. People's distrust of the Democratic Party reached an all-time low. Every single advantage that could be given to a political candidate was given to her and everybody knew it. It was the single biggest weapon to be used against her. Why she, or anyone for that matter, thinks it's a good idea for her to pander the victim complex to her supporters at a time when the party is reshaping itself for the road ahead is beyond imagining. Why she chose so soon after the election to do this is a question worth asking. Why she is dragging a politician who actually enjoys wide popularity and is pushing for reforms to this day is. . . mystifying.
Hmm....lying offends you. I hope you didn't vote for trump then. And no....her book just came out but we have had nothing but trumpettes and trump whining about her nonstop even though she lost.
I wonder why those who don't like her are so obsessed with her.............
I think it's the pity-fest that is her book tour. You have to admit, it proves every single negative stereotype of her. She's outright lying on TV about Bernie Sanders, she's refusing to admit the simple truth that she is an embattled candidate from the get-go. She side-steps the issue of the collusion between party leadership and her campaign. It's all divisive and self-centered. The worst part about it isn't that she is re litigating a hard-fought campaign or that it is her right to do so, it's that her party got trounced in said election and she is acting like the sole victim of outside forces.
Some people hate to hear this, and Lord knows, it's been said before. She took the whole party down with her. People's distrust of the Democratic Party reached an all-time low. Every single advantage that could be given to a political candidate was given to her and everybody knew it. It was the single biggest weapon to be used against her. Why she, or anyone for that matter, thinks it's a good idea for her to pander the victim complex to her supporters at a time when the party is reshaping itself for the road ahead is beyond imagining. Why she chose so soon after the election to do this is a question worth asking. Why she is dragging a politician who actually enjoys wide popularity and is pushing for reforms to this day is. . . mystifying.
Hmm....lying offends you. I hope you didn't vote for trump then. And no....her book just came out but we have had nothing but trumpettes and trump whining about her nonstop even though she lost.
Personally, I voted for Gary Johnson because I live in a predominately red state. I knew a protest vote for the Libertarian candidate would be tallied as someone defecting from the right as opposed to a defector from the left voting Green, which would be tantamount to peeing in the wind in Texas.
Hmm....lying offends you. I hope you didn't vote for trump then. And no....her book just came out but we have had nothing but democrats, liberals, libertarians, republicans, socialists, communists, imperialists, conservatives, trumpettes and trump correcting her attempt at altering history nonstop even though she lost and decided to bring it all up again for profit.
Hmm....lying offends you. I hope you didn't vote for trump or Hillary then. And no....her book just came out but we have had nothing but democrats, liberals, libertarians, republicans, socialists, communists, imperialists, conservatives, trumpettes and trump correcting her attempt at altering history nonstop even though she lost and decided to bring it all up again for profit.
Yeah, Hillary Clinton comes across as very insincere.
When it comes to topics women's rights, rights of racial minorities, religious minorities, LGBT rights, ect. Hillary Clinton came across as merely using these for political cool points, as a means to get her elected in teh white house while not really caring about them. Bernie on the other hand, actually seemed to actually mean it. She merely pressed political hot topics as a means to get her elected.
I wont say anymore, because all she really tried arguing for was that Trump was a bigot. But Hillary honestly was no better, she used perceived discrimination as a way to further her career. Look at how many times she blamed sexism for people not voting for her.
She had no real vision for america, and thus made them up on the fly to suit her fancy. One day she will be this, next day she will be that. But it was never her fault. It was always someone else's. And thus, she now seems to wrongfully blame Bernie Sanders.
@LJS9502_basic: Honestly, between the Republican stranglehold on districting lines all over the country and their continued push for voter suppression, that's the real reason Hillary isn't President.
We are a quantitatively declining Democracy. If there is one thing about Hillary that upsets me the most, it's that she is uniquely qualified to press this issue. She simply refuses not to. Probably because she is a player in the system that wants this.
@LJS9502_basic: Honestly, between the Republican stranglehold on districting lines all over the country and their continued push for voter suppression, that's the real reason Hillary isn't President.
We are a quantitatively declining Democracy. If there is one thing about Hillary that upsets me the most, it's that she is uniquely qualified to press this issue. She simply refuses not to. Probably because she is a player in the system that wants this.
Problem is the politicians of today don't give a damn about the country. Self interest only. I wish the people would get more involved in government and force politicians to do what they are supposed to do.
Lol, did anyone see the that interview Hillary Clinton had with Vox recently. Where she openly lied, and not even the interviewer seemed to buy into her crap. Especially on the topic of money in politics.
Lol, did anyone see the that interview Hillary Clinton had with Vox recently. Where she openly lied, and not even the interviewer seemed to buy into her crap. Especially on the topic of money in politics.
Lol, did anyone see the that interview Hillary Clinton had with Vox recently. Where she openly lied, and not even the interviewer seemed to buy into her crap. Especially on the topic of money in politics.
Either way, it is pretty funny. She is so bad at lying nowadays not even Hillary Clinton ****-riders like Vox seem to buy into her shit anymore.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
Either way, it is pretty funny. She is so bad at lying nowadays not even Hillary Clinton ****-riders like Vox seem to buy into her shit anymore.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
Yup, Hillary really is no better than Trump on these issues.
Only difference is that Trump is more open about it whereas Hillary will lie about it, then stab them in the back when convenient.
It's amazing that like 9 months later, Trump supporters and even some Democrats are still blaming Hillary for her loss when we know for a fact that Republicans won on a technically with Trump that took years and hundreds of millions spent on investigations of phony scandals, Republican governors suppressing the vote with voter ID and closing over 800 polling stations in Democratic areas of their states, and colluding with the Russian government to spread lies and other disinformation to influence the outcome of the election.
Earth to joebones5000 Hilary lost because of Hilary.
It's amazing that like 9 months later, Trump supporters and even some Democrats are still blaming Hillary for her loss when we know for a fact that Republicans won on a technically with Trump that took years and hundreds of millions spent on investigations of phony scandals, Republican governors suppressing the vote with voter ID and closing over 800 polling stations in Democratic areas of their states, and colluding with the Russian government to spread lies and other disinformation to influence the outcome of the election.
Earth to joebones5000 Hilary lost because of Hilary.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
Hot sauce was racism? The lady has lived in Arkansas for a significant portion of her public life. I'd have chalked it up to pandering to locals in the same vein as her pretending to be a Cubs fan.
The super predators bit though.... yeah, that was pretty fucked.
Either way, it is pretty funny. She is so bad at lying nowadays not even Hillary Clinton ****-riders like Vox seem to buy into her shit anymore.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
Either way, it is pretty funny. She is so bad at lying nowadays not even Hillary Clinton ****-riders like Vox seem to buy into her shit anymore.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
lol jesus.
Nice avatar btw.
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Had to make it, couldnt find any around so i had to take a screenshot from the ep. and very poorly cut around it.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
lol jesus.
Nice avatar btw.
Like it?
Had to make it, couldnt find any around so i had to take a screenshot from the ep. and very poorly cut around it.
Yeah! I was lucky to even see them since I'm usually multitasking and my eyes are not always on the screen. I didn't think much about it until I saw your avatar and it clicked immediately.
Ive always found it funny how Clinton people like to call Trump racist because he is, but refuse to acknowledge the hot sauce in the purse thing. She might as well have said she has a baggie of fried chicken, watermelon and a 40 in her purse.
lol jesus.
Nice avatar btw.
Like it?
Had to make it, couldnt find any around so i had to take a screenshot from the ep. and very poorly cut around it.
Yeah! I was lucky to even see them since I'm usually multitasking and my eyes are not always on the screen. I didn't think much about it until I saw your avatar and it clicked immediately.
Yup. Cant go wrong with a show that properly does time travel/multidimensional travel AND invokes an Orwellian story line.
@drunk_pi:Sorry I missed this reply, been busy and the like. (To Mod types) Hopefully this area of the forum is slow enough that the reply is not considered necromancy. If so please feel free to delete.
On topic: The "Product of the time" argument doesn't really work. We are talking about a span of time that is less then eight years. The real flip, timed with the polls transcending 50%, took place in about four years. I mean Clinton and Obama's public homophobia comes during the same time period as Birtherism. It is quite clear in hindsight that Birtherism wins elections as well as modern democratic homophobia. Do you consider both of these as defensible products of their time? Besides, if we are going to excuse the homophobia and racism of Clinton and Obama because they are mere products of their time and party, claiming they were forced into taking homophobic and racist positions despite their immense power and privilege, then shouldn't we be excusing Confederates and Nazi's as well? After all, their positions are a lot older then five to seven years, and then strain on them was a lot harsher then that 'endured' by Clinton and Obama.
Come on, the people born in 2010 are in second grade now. We are not talking about the passing of generations. We are talking about poll numbers changing slightly over the course of one Presidential Term.
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