Federal judge blocks Trump from deporting hundreds of thousands of immigrants under TPS

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Nice.

A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the Trump administration to temporarily halt its plan to end a special federal immigration program that has allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants to legally live and work in the U.S. for decades.

U.S. District Judge Edward Chen ruled that the administration may have side-stepped federal rule-making guidelines, imposed undue political pressure on staffers, and violated the Equal Protection Clause by basing its decision "on animus against non-white, non-European immigrants."

The ruling is the latest blow against President Donald Trump's efforts to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, following court orders limiting his travel ban targeting majority Muslim countries, his attempt to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and his policy of separating migrant families along the southwest border.

The preliminary injunction ordered by Chen prevents the deportation of an estimated 240,000 immigrants from El Salvador, Haiti, Nicaragua and Sudan, who were facing a series of deadlines starting in November to depart the country or risk becoming undocumented immigrants. These immigrants had been granted permission to be in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, better known as TPS. The humanitarian program was created in 1990 to help immigrants from countries that suffered war or major natural disasters.

The Department of Homeland Security, which manages TPS, has argued that the program has been wrongly extended for years, and that conditions in those four countries are now suitable for thousands of their residents to return home.

Several of these people not knowing a country other than USA, and several who do ended up having families here and there is no way those kids would uproot and suddenly go to those countries. What kind of monster would separate these specific families or send a person who has been living here their entire lives to to a 3rd world country?

Should be a case by case basis. Something rational.

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I remember reading a while back that the review for these countries read like someone was saying they were in terrible condition, nothing has improved, things are still very dangerous, and then right at the very end says something like "therefore since conditions have improved they should go back home".

Yeah, here's a link...https://fox61.com/2018/08/26/it-is-bad-there-emails-reveal-trump-officials-pushing-for-tps-terminations/

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**** Trump. Nuff said.

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@br0kenrabbit said:

I remember reading a while back that the review for these countries read like someone was saying they were in terrible condition, nothing has improved, things are still very dangerous, and then right at the very end says something like "therefore since conditions have improved they should go back home".

Yeah, here's a link...https://fox61.com/2018/08/26/it-is-bad-there-emails-reveal-trump-officials-pushing-for-tps-terminations/

Even if conditions were better, the fact that this "temporary" program has gone on for over 20 years for many makes it unfeasible to just toss them out. They have there lives/family here and many don't even know a country other than USA. It's evil.

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@zaryia said:
@br0kenrabbit said:

I remember reading a while back that the review for these countries read like someone was saying they were in terrible condition, nothing has improved, things are still very dangerous, and then right at the very end says something like "therefore since conditions have improved they should go back home".

Yeah, here's a link...https://fox61.com/2018/08/26/it-is-bad-there-emails-reveal-trump-officials-pushing-for-tps-terminations/

Even if conditions were better, the fact that this "temporary" program has gone on for over 20 years for many makes it unfeasible to just toss them out. They have there lives/family here and many don't even know a country other than USA. It's evil.

Where do you draw the line?

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@Solaryellow said:
@zaryia said:
@br0kenrabbit said:

I remember reading a while back that the review for these countries read like someone was saying they were in terrible condition, nothing has improved, things are still very dangerous, and then right at the very end says something like "therefore since conditions have improved they should go back home".

Yeah, here's a link...https://fox61.com/2018/08/26/it-is-bad-there-emails-reveal-trump-officials-pushing-for-tps-terminations/

Even if conditions were better, the fact that this "temporary" program has gone on for over 20 years for many makes it unfeasible to just toss them out. They have there lives/family here and many don't even know a country other than USA. It's evil.

Where do you draw the line?

its better not to.

its better to be a country that is so awesome that it has no risk that others will work better then they do, then immigration isnt a threat

that is of course the ideal.

I should add, the Right like to play the victim and say 'well those people will take welfare!'

my only response is, wouldnt it be easier to change the 'free rider' laws then it would be to go this route?

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@theone86 said:

**** Trump. Nuff said.

Yep

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@zaryia said:

Nice.

A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the Trump administration to temporarily halt its plan to end a special federal immigration program that has allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants to legally live and work in the U.S. for decades.

U.S. District Judge Edward Chen ruled that the administration may have side-stepped federal rule-making guidelines, imposed undue political pressure on staffers, and violated the Equal Protection Clause by basing its decision "on animus against non-white, non-European immigrants."

The ruling is the latest blow against President Donald Trump's efforts to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, following court orders limiting his travel ban targeting majority Muslim countries, his attempt to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and his policy of separating migrant families along the southwest border.

The preliminary injunction ordered by Chen prevents the deportation of an estimated 240,000 immigrants from El Salvador, Haiti, Nicaragua and Sudan, who were facing a series of deadlines starting in November to depart the country or risk becoming undocumented immigrants. These immigrants had been granted permission to be in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, better known as TPS. The humanitarian program was created in 1990 to help immigrants from countries that suffered war or major natural disasters.

The Department of Homeland Security, which manages TPS, has argued that the program has been wrongly extended for years, and that conditions in those four countries are now suitable for thousands of their residents to return home.

Several of these people not knowing a country other than USA, and several who do ended up having families here and there is no way those kids would uproot and suddenly go to those countries. What kind of monster would separate these specific families or send a person who has been living here their entire lives to to a 3rd world country?

Should be a case by case basis. Something rational.

Another lower court judge washing their hands and throwing it upstairs because they are too afraid to take a stand against the "mob"

Amazing the judicial overreach being done.

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

Nice.

A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the Trump administration to temporarily halt its plan to end a special federal immigration program that has allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants to legally live and work in the U.S. for decades.

U.S. District Judge Edward Chen ruled that the administration may have side-stepped federal rule-making guidelines, imposed undue political pressure on staffers, and violated the Equal Protection Clause by basing its decision "on animus against non-white, non-European immigrants."

The ruling is the latest blow against President Donald Trump's efforts to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, following court orders limiting his travel ban targeting majority Muslim countries, his attempt to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and his policy of separating migrant families along the southwest border.

The preliminary injunction ordered by Chen prevents the deportation of an estimated 240,000 immigrants from El Salvador, Haiti, Nicaragua and Sudan, who were facing a series of deadlines starting in November to depart the country or risk becoming undocumented immigrants. These immigrants had been granted permission to be in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status program, better known as TPS. The humanitarian program was created in 1990 to help immigrants from countries that suffered war or major natural disasters.

The Department of Homeland Security, which manages TPS, has argued that the program has been wrongly extended for years, and that conditions in those four countries are now suitable for thousands of their residents to return home.

Several of these people not knowing a country other than USA, and several who do ended up having families here and there is no way those kids would uproot and suddenly go to those countries. What kind of monster would separate these specific families or send a person who has been living here their entire lives to to a 3rd world country?

Should be a case by case basis. Something rational.

Another lower court judge washing their hands and throwing it upstairs because they are too afraid to take a stand against the "mob"

He made it clear why he did this, and nothing was stated about a mob. Your theory offers no citation.

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

Another lower court judge washing their hands and throwing it upstairs because they are too afraid to take a stand against the "mob"

He made it clear why he did this, and nothing was stated about a mob. Your theory offers no citation.

Yes, and the judge is making a judicial overreach.

He clearly is affected by the climate and does not want to be known as the judge who sent thousands of amazing immigrants away.

And do you disagree that the climate right now is very much pro-illegals and immigration from the left?

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

Another lower court judge washing their hands and throwing it upstairs because they are too afraid to take a stand against the "mob"

He made it clear why he did this, and nothing was stated about a mob. Your theory offers no citation.

Yes, and the judge is making a judicial overreach.

He clearly is affected by the climate and does not want to be known as the judge who sent thousands of amazing immigrants away.

And do you disagree that the climate right now is very much pro-illegals and immigration from the left?

'amazing immigrants'?

nobody is saying they are amazing, at least to my understanding

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TC gets bullshit points for using the word immigrants in title instead of illegal aliens. No immigrants are getting deported

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@jeezers said:

TC gets bullshit points for using the word immigrants in title instead of illegal aliens. No immigrants are getting deported

Ah immigrant is a synonym for alien.

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@jeezers: Nothing wrong with the title. Alien is a dumb word, with the aim to dehumanise immigrants.

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@Jacanuk said:

He clearly is affected by the climate and does not want to be known as the judge who sent thousands of amazing immigrants away.

Clearly? Citation on this? Thanks.

So far all known data shows specifics as to his reasoning (As he states),

TPS beneficiaries thus risk being uprooted from their homes, jobs, careers, and communities. They face removal to countries to which their children and family members may have little or no ties and which may not be safe. Those with U.S.-citizen children will be confronted with the dilemma of either bringing their children with them, giving up their children’s lives in the United States (for many, the only lives they know), or being separated from their children.

In Chen’s view, the Trump administration’s shift from looking at all conditions in a country when reviewing TPS, to looking only at whether the country was still feeling direct impacts of the original disaster, probably violated the APA’s prohibition on making “silent” policy changes without public notice. (The government contends that it didn’t change the policies around TPS, just the emphases given to various factors.)

You're giving me opinions. I don't care much for them.

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@mandzilla: immigrants are not illegal aliens, if they gain citizenship the legal way they become immigrants.

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@jeezers: Illegal immigrants then.

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@mandzilla: yeah I guess you can say that but even that's not correct, illegal immigrant is just a way of saying illegal alien, mainly for people who are offended by the word illegal alien, so they say immigrant to make them sound like they should have citizenship, because actual immigrants have citizenship not illegal aliens

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@Jacanuk: No one would know if the judge didn’t do anything. Now he has put his name out there.

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@Jacanuk: No one would know if the judge didn’t do anything. Now he has put his name out there.

Of course, they would know if he did not stop this, the liberals are masters in using social media.

Also, you really think something like this would not be a massive media story if the judge went ahead with Trump.

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

He clearly is affected by the climate and does not want to be known as the judge who sent thousands of amazing immigrants away.

Clearly? Citation on this? Thanks.

So far all known data shows specifics as to his reasoning (As he states),

TPS beneficiaries thus risk being uprooted from their homes, jobs, careers, and communities. They face removal to countries to which their children and family members may have little or no ties and which may not be safe. Those with U.S.-citizen children will be confronted with the dilemma of either bringing their children with them, giving up their children’s lives in the United States (for many, the only lives they know), or being separated from their children.

In Chen’s view, the Trump administration’s shift from looking at all conditions in a country when reviewing TPS, to looking only at whether the country was still feeling direct impacts of the original disaster, probably violated the APA’s prohibition on making “silent” policy changes without public notice. (The government contends that it didn’t change the policies around TPS, just the emphases given to various factors.)

You're giving me opinions. I don't care much for them.

You use opinions and try to pass them off as facts, but do not care for opinions?

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

He clearly is affected by the climate and does not want to be known as the judge who sent thousands of amazing immigrants away.

Clearly? Citation on this? Thanks.

So far all known data shows specifics as to his reasoning (As he states),

TPS beneficiaries thus risk being uprooted from their homes, jobs, careers, and communities. They face removal to countries to which their children and family members may have little or no ties and which may not be safe. Those with U.S.-citizen children will be confronted with the dilemma of either bringing their children with them, giving up their children’s lives in the United States (for many, the only lives they know), or being separated from their children.

In Chen’s view, the Trump administration’s shift from looking at all conditions in a country when reviewing TPS, to looking only at whether the country was still feeling direct impacts of the original disaster, probably violated the APA’s prohibition on making “silent” policy changes without public notice. (The government contends that it didn’t change the policies around TPS, just the emphases given to various factors.)

You're giving me opinions. I don't care much for them.

You use opinions and try to pass them off as facts, but do not care for opinions?

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

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@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

I'm merely quoting someone. You're giving unproven theories, and offering zero evidence. Your own opinions.

You don't see the disconnect here?

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

I'm merely quoting someone. You're giving unproven theories, and offering zero evidence. Your own opinions.

You don't see the disconnect here?

Yes, you are quoting someone´s opinion and since we are on a debate forum, I am stating my opinion about this judge.

We will see who is right when this case goes in front of a higher court. If this Judge is not overturned, then I was incorrect in assuming he was a chicken, if he is overturned then his opinion was clearly wrong.

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

I'm merely quoting someone. You're giving unproven theories, and offering zero evidence. Your own opinions.

You don't see the disconnect here?

Yes, you are quoting someone´s opinion and since we are on a debate forum, I am stating my opinion about this judge.

We will see who is right when this case goes in front of a higher court. If this Judge is not overturned, then I was incorrect in assuming he was a chicken, if he is overturned then his opinion was clearly wrong.

That's some mental gymnastics there.

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:

The Judge specifically stated why he did this. Those are not my opinions. Those are his recorded statements.

However, you saying the judge is lying and gave your own reasons as to why he did this. Those are your opinions. You offer zero proof of this, so failed theory as well.

Again what is the judge stating? or are you claiming that he is not giving his opinion?

So you do not like opinions but gladly use the opinion of others as facts to back up your own opinions. See the problem.

I'm merely quoting someone. You're giving unproven theories, and offering zero evidence. Your own opinions.

You don't see the disconnect here?

Yes, you are quoting someone´s opinion and since we are on a debate forum, I am stating my opinion about this judge.

We will see who is right when this case goes in front of a higher court. If this Judge is not overturned, then I was incorrect in assuming he was a chicken, if he is overturned then his opinion was clearly wrong.

Huh?

How would that prove his motives are what you suggested?

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Huh?

How would that prove his motives are what you suggested?

Do you think any judge in this land or in the democratic free world, likes to get overturned?

But as to his motives, well as to the mob it´s my opinion.

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@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

@Jacanuk: No one would know if the judge didn’t do anything. Now he has put his name out there.

Of course, they would know if he did not stop this, the liberals are masters in using social media.

Also, you really think something like this would not be a massive media story if the judge went ahead with Trump.

Aren't there several judges across the country that could have done the same?

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Good Trump is a xenophobe/racist like most republicans.

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@horgen said:
@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

@Jacanuk: No one would know if the judge didn’t do anything. Now he has put his name out there.

Of course, they would know if he did not stop this, the liberals are masters in using social media.

Also, you really think something like this would not be a massive media story if the judge went ahead with Trump.

Aren't there several judges across the country that could have done the same?

You mean pass it upwards, yup, especially judges in key democratic states,

Also, it´s worth noting the cake case and the critic the supreme court gave the lower courts because that is not a one time deal.

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@Jacanuk said:

You mean pass it upwards, yup, especially judges in key democratic states,

Also, it´s worth noting the cake case and the critic the supreme court gave the lower courts because that is not a one time deal.

Doesn't make a difference. I haven't seen or heard anything about the other judges who could have done the same as this judge did. Again I will say that by doing this, this particular judge put his name out there by doing this. If no one had done anything, I doubt media would be asking different judges why they didn't stop this.

It is quite easy to overlook all those who could have done something to prevent this (I know this can be overturned later on).