Fact Check: Trump incorrectly states that Democrats are to blame for child separation.

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The data simply says otherwise.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

The president implied that children were being separated from their parents at the border because of a law enacted by Democrats.

Actually, the policy in question was enacted by his own administration.

On May 7, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a speech that "If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. It's not our fault that somebody does that."

Sessions announced the policy in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Under U.S. law, entering the country illegally is a crime. The Trump administration has decreed that such attempts will be prosecuted, meaning the adults are detained, and any children who accompany them are separated.

In an interview with NPR's Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep Tuesday, former President Barack Obama's domestic policy director, Cecilia Muñoz, stated unequivocally that separating children from their parents was not a policy the Obama administration followed.

"The Obama administration did not do that, no. We did not separate children from their parents," Muñoz said. "This is a new decision, a policy decision put in place by the attorney general," which Muñoz said "puts us in league with the most brutal regimes in the world's history."

Oddly enough he won't back down from this lie. His lower educated base could potentially believe it.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/immigration-border-children-separation/h_61f4e97738103b610d132413ec3bd3e7

He says "Change the laws", is he talking to himself because he can change this lol.....

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from what I understand 'yeah Trump lies but its always about little stuff'

so I have been told anyway

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Space Army incoming.

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Trump did not write the current immigration laws. He just enforces the laws that are in place.

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@JimB said:

Trump did not write the current immigration laws. He just enforces the laws that are in place.

His space army will fix everything.

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@zaryia: The parents are to blame. It's sad emotional liberals can't figure out thats how the law works.

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Repeat it enough and it becomes true.

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@JimB said:

Trump did not write the current immigration laws. He just enforces the laws that are in place.

what is the law and what does it state? where is the provision in said law that requires separation of children from parents?

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It is funny that neither of the last 2 administrations followed this law. Using this situation as leverage for a wall is just disgusting. I expect no less from this administration at this point. The White House response is just as horrible. Listing people killed by immigrants to instill fear as a reason why this should happen. Like I said, disgusting.

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@iambatman7986 said:

It is funny that neither of the last 2 administrations followed this law. Using this situation as leverage for a wall is just disgusting. I expect no less from this administration at this point. The White House response is just as horrible. Listing people killed by immigrants to instill fear as a reason why this should happen. Like I said, disgusting.

thing is, they could have said this:

'We are sorry we have to do this but if a person breaks the law we have to arrest them and children are not breaking the law so they should not be detained as criminals so we have to do something'

instead of

'yeah...not sorry'

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@zaryia: The parents are to blame

Well trump just blamed Democrats again recently,

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/immigration-border-children-separation/h_356506d56793bd211fd74eed9ab58b14

lol he's literally lying.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Nothing they are saying checks out...

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Incorrectly? You mean he lies. There is a difference. Incorrect is when you make a mistake....like those who voted for trump. Lying is deliberately misleading.........like every word out of trump's mouth.

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#17 Jacanuk
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@zaryia: Nice spin there

Explain this https://goo.gl/images/BNbpyE

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#18  Edited By Zaryia
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@Jacanuk said:

@zaryia: Nice spin there

Explain this https://goo.gl/images/BNbpyE

Red Herring. I never mentioned that picture. I never mentioned Obama.

I'm simply fact checking Trump's statements. If you can find direct citation that all of the fact checks I've linked (3 ITT) are false, I will have a mod delete this thread.

Thank you.

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@zaryia: You are not doing a great job at fact checking

First, it´s correct that there is no law that deals with separating kids from their families, there is however a longstanding DHS policy that deals with the prosecution of illegals with kids, here kids is not put in jail but placed in the custody of Department of Health and Human Services

The only difference from now and under Obama and previous presidents, is that Trump has enacted a zero tolerance policy , meaning anyone caught will be prosecuted.

So Trump may have misunderstood “policy” and “law” but he is not entirely wrong that the policy has existed under democrats.

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Maybe if he refers to human trafficking that's so closely correlated to immigration and sanctuary cities.

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@Gaming-Planet said:

Maybe if he refers to human trafficking that's so closely correlated to immigration and sanctuary cities.

Those who benefit from human trafficking are the wealthy..........FYI.

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@zaryia: You are not doing a great job at fact checking

Until proper counter citation is given, I will factually state Donald Trump lied on this statement and issue multiple times when blaming Democrats and not his own administration. Nothing in your post contested this.

NPR, Associated Press, New York Times, and Snopes did the fact checking,

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Surely if they are not doing a good job, you can easily refute these links.

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

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It is the parents of these immigrant kids. It is their fault.

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All politicians lie. Dems and republicans, none of them will take responsibility for anything.

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ProPublica has obtained audio from inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, in which children can be heard wailing as an agent jokes, “We have an orchestra here.”

Stay classy, America.

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@taylor12702003 said:

All politicians lie. Dems and republicans, none of them will take responsibility for anything.

Textbook example of using the tu quoque fallacy to deflect responsibility.

I applaud your devotion to irony.

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@mattbbpl: No, lol

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

Maybe if he refers to human trafficking that's so closely correlated to immigration and sanctuary cities.

Those who benefit from human trafficking are the wealthy..........FYI.

Of course.

Organs and children aren't cheap.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Incorrectly? You mean he lies. There is a difference. Incorrect is when you make a mistake....like those who voted for trump. Lying is deliberately misleading.........like every word out of trump's mouth.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't live in glass houses.

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@comp_atkins said:
@JimB said:

Trump did not write the current immigration laws. He just enforces the laws that are in place.

what is the law and what does it state? where is the provision in said law that requires separation of children from parents?

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too/

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Here is a solution to the problem of separating the families of illegal immigrants.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/06/migrant_families_should_be_kept_togetherin_the_virgin_islands.html

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democrats are to blame but we will not apologize and its like a summer camp

man these people are stupid

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@JimB said:
@comp_atkins said:
@JimB said:

Trump did not write the current immigration laws. He just enforces the laws that are in place.

what is the law and what does it state? where is the provision in said law that requires separation of children from parents?

https://lawandcrime.com/immigration/obamas-immigration-agencies-separated-children-from-their-families-too/

that didn't answer my question

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@taylor12702003 said:

All politicians lie. Dems and republicans, none of them will take responsibility for anything.

This is true. But this specific issue and situation is the fault of the Trump administration.

There are no facts showing otherwise.

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@zaryia: I place the blame on the parents of the children. They are trying to abuse the system.

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@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

@zaryia: You are not doing a great job at fact checking

Until proper counter citation is given, I will factually state Donald Trump lied on this statement and issue multiple times when blaming Democrats and not his own administration. Nothing in your post contested this.

NPR, Associated Press, New York Times, and Snopes did the fact checking,

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Surely if they are not doing a good job, you can easily refute these links.

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

@zaryia: You are not doing a great job at fact checking

Until proper counter citation is given, I will factually state Donald Trump lied on this statement and issue multiple times when blaming Democrats and not his own administration. Nothing in your post contested this.

NPR, Associated Press, New York Times, and Snopes did the fact checking,

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Surely if they are not doing a good job, you can easily refute these links.

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

yup.

the thing, the GOP absolutely slaughter the PR on this from the start, what a bunch of tactical morons.

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Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Stop. You're trying to turn this into a debate even though it's already over. It's settled, and he's been thoroughly fact checked on this topic. He was found wrong. Multiple times by multiple outlets.

There isn't anything to spin, there is no partisan politics at play. It's just simple facts vs lies.

Hectic morning on the White House lawn: Trump speaks, and so do the facts

https://www.facebook.com/yahoofinance/videos/10157221716631037/

“I hate the children being taken away. The Democrats have to change their law. That’s their law.”

There is no law that requires the mass separation of migrant children from their parents at the border. The increase in the number of minors being taken into federal custody, now totaling over 10,000, results from a White House policy change announced on April 6 by Attorney General Jeff Sessions calling for the criminal prosecution of anyone attempting to cross the border illegally. Previously, these cases were generally handled by immigration courts in a process that did not require families to be separated. Department of Homeland Security officials said this year in a memo obtained by the Washington Post that separating families would be the “most effective” way of attempting to deter immigration at the southern border. Many of the attempted immigrants were attempting to claim asylum.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Thank you.

P.S. I'm not sure why you're giving so much push back (without citation) on Trump saying factually incorrect sentences, he does it every week. Hell, he just did it again,

Fact check: Trump is wrong about crime in Germany

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/06/18/fact-check-trump-wrong-about-crime-germany/yBxXJaJquioqCdzZdzbkNM/story.html

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@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

@zaryia: You are not doing a great job at fact checking

Until proper counter citation is given, I will factually state Donald Trump lied on this statement and issue multiple times when blaming Democrats and not his own administration. Nothing in your post contested this.

NPR, Associated Press, New York Times, and Snopes did the fact checking,

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Surely if they are not doing a good job, you can easily refute these links.

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

Why is there a need for a zero tolerance policy? Why is there a need to seperate children from their parents? How would you feel about US children being placed at such facilities?

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@deeliman said:
@Jacanuk said:
@zaryia said:
@Jacanuk said:

@zaryia: You are not doing a great job at fact checking

Until proper counter citation is given, I will factually state Donald Trump lied on this statement and issue multiple times when blaming Democrats and not his own administration. Nothing in your post contested this.

NPR, Associated Press, New York Times, and Snopes did the fact checking,

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/06/16/us/politics/ap-us-immigration-fact-check.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/29/615211215/fact-check-are-democrats-responsible-for-dhs-separating-children-from-their-pare

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/

Surely if they are not doing a good job, you can easily refute these links.

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

Why is there a need for a zero tolerance policy? Why is there a need to seperate children from their parents? How would you feel about US children being placed at such facilities?

I think for the same reason we need tariffs

because they are bored

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How about we DON'T enact a zero tolerance policy? There are people who are old enough to be aware of illegal entry and there are young people who aren't. That's why we need exceptions.

It's not good enough to say, "It's not up to me. It's up to the law to decide." when the law is a non-consultable rule on paper. It's dodging the responsibility of your actions as a judge of the law. At some point, we need to take responsibility and use our better judgment on what's right and wrong. Rather than letting the law dictate over all rational thought and sense of morality.

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Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

Stop. Just stop. It's much easier for some to blame Trump and pull out the crocodile tears for illegal invaders than it is to actually research the issue and policies at hand. Like myself, you have done some looking into the matter rather than relying on the MSM to tell you how to think. Highest marks! The flores consent decree of 1997 says these kids can not be held for more than 20 days.

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It is funny that neither of the last 2 administrations followed this law. Using this situation as leverage for a wall is just disgusting. I expect no less from this administration at this point. The White House response is just as horrible. Listing people killed by immigrants to instill fear as a reason why this should happen. Like I said, disgusting.

Both of the previous 2 administrations followed immigration laws. Obama particularly deported a large number of immigrants. They just didn't brainstorm to figure out the most horrible, awful, inhumane ways they could inflict pain on people in order to enforce immigration laws, so families stayed together.

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The flores consent decree of 1997 says these kids can not be held for more than 20 days.

On average 49 days according to the source in the other thread.

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@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

actually research the issue and policies at hand. Like myself, you have done some looking into the matter rather than relying on the MSM

Are you suggesting the 4 links provided in this thread are wrong, and that Donald Trump's statements were correct? You two seem to be making rather bold claims and stating major publications are all wrong on this, but you need some kind of valid sources.

Is this not accurate research on the policies at hand?

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

What is incorrect?

Was the ‘Law to Separate Families’ Passed in 1997 or ‘by Democrats’?

There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018.

Claims that the “law to separate families” was passed in 1997, those claims originated with a February 2018 Department of Homeland Security statement referencing “[l]egal loopholes [that] are exploited by minors, family units, and human smugglers.” The DHS statement claimed existing immigration policies “create a pull factor that invites more illegal immigration and encourages parents to pay and entrust their children to criminal organizations.”

However, neither the 1997 Flores settlement nor a 2008 human trafficking law cited in that release in any way stipulated that the government separate children from their parents:

A White House spokesman referred [Factcheck.org] to a DHS statement regarding a 1997 legal settlement and 2008 antitrafficking law affecting minors who are apprehended without a parent present:

Under the 1997 settlement, DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors, pending resolution of their immigration cases. The settlement was later expanded through other court rulings to include both unaccompanied and accompanied children.

The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 requires unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada to be placed in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, or relatives in the U.S., while they go through removal proceedings. The bipartisan bill was approved by unanimous consent and signed by Bush.

But neither the court settlement nor the 2008 law require the Trump administration to “break up families.”

A cluster of rumors about the controversial separation of families at the border held that the policy came before the Trump administration, either stemming from a 1997 “law” or purported policies of previous administrations. Those claims were false. No federal law required or suggested the family separation policy announced by Attorney General Sessions in several sets of remarks during April and May 2018.

What is incorrect?

The president implied that children were being separated from their parents at the border because of a law enacted by Democrats.

Actually, the policy in question was enacted by his own administration.

On May 7, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a speech that "If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. It's not our fault that somebody does that."

Sessions announced the policy in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Under U.S. law, entering the country illegally is a crime. The Trump administration has decreed that such attempts will be prosecuted, meaning the adults are detained, and any children who accompany them are separated.

White House chief of staff John Kelly told NPR's John Burnett earlier this month that "the children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever. But the big point is they elected to come illegally into the United States and this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long. "

Advocates note that many families attempting to enter the U.S. are seeking asylum from gangs and criminal activities in their home countries, and as such are not breaking the law. The U.S. is obligated to accept asylum-seekers under U.S. and international law if they can show a "credible fear" of persecution or torture.

Lee Gelernt of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project said Tuesday that "Children are begging and screaming not to be separated from their parents, as they're hauled off to different cities. It's a harrowing situation, one that the president himself called horrible. No law even remotely requires the separation of children, and we filed a recent lawsuit arguing, in fact, that the Constitution prohibits this policy."

In an interview with NPR's Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep Tuesday, former President Barack Obama's domestic policy director, Cecilia Muñoz, stated unequivocally that separating children from their parents was not a policy the Obama administration followed.

"The Obama administration did not do that, no. We did not separate children from their parents," Muñoz said. "This is a new decision, a policy decision put in place by the attorney general," which Muñoz said "puts us in league with the most brutal regimes in the world's history."

Still, the White House continues to blame Democrats for failing to act on immigration legislation. At a White House briefing Tuesday, senior policy adviser Stephen Miller attributed what he labeled "the current immigration and border crisis and all of the attendant concerns it raises" to the "exclusive product of loopholes in federal immigration laws that Democrats refuse to close."

However, Democrats are the minority party in both chambers of Congress. The Republican-led majority has yet to take up significant immigration legislation in the House this session, although Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., has committed to holding votes this summer.

What is incorrect?

Feel free to underline the wrong portions and then prove they are wrong with links.

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@horgen said:
@Solaryellow said:
The flores consent decree of 1997 says these kids can not be held for more than 20 days.

On average 49 days according to the source in the other thread.

I'm sure you've researched why, in some cases, they are held longer.

@zaryia

I don't care about your links. I'm commenting on what was said by Jan. and the Flores decree.

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@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

Stop. Just stop. It's much easier for some to blame Trump and pull out the crocodile tears for illegal invaders than it is to actually research the issue and policies at hand. Like myself, you have done some looking into the matter rather than relying on the MSM to tell you how to think. Highest marks! The flores consent decree of 1997 says these kids can not be held for more than 20 days.

If you did research then you'd find you misunderstand the Flores decision.

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@zaryia

I don't care about your links.

However, neither the 1997 Flores settlement nor a 2008 human trafficking law cited in that release in any way stipulated that the government separate children from their parents

Probably why you should read the links. It's mass research on these laws, Trump lied to say Dems are to blame for what is currently occurring. No way around this. He was fact checked.

You guys have no sourcing to show what he stated was true. You lost the "debate".

Just read this so you can stop posting,

THE FACTS:

Repeating the assertion does not make it true. The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is responsible for spurring family separations. No law mandates it.

"Zero tolerance" means that when a family is caught sneaking into the U.S., the parents now are routinely referred for criminal prosecution, even if they have few or no previous offenses. That typically means detention for the adults, pending their trial. Under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren't charged with a crime.

Until the policy was announced in the spring, such families were usually referred for civil deportation proceedings, not requiring separation.

The zero tolerance policy was announced April 6, and the policy was put into action in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump's repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

Why not just fix the problem with new legislation? Trump stated, inaccurately, that "the Democrats have control." Republicans control both houses of Congress. He meant that his party does not have a large enough majority to prevail without Democratic support.

Democrats, like many Republicans, abhor the family separations. They've objected fiercely to the zero tolerance policy that his administration instituted.

Trump's supporters in Congress have blamed the separations on court decisions, but that's also an evasion.

Courts have established the right of migrant children to be released from custody. They do not establish that right for parents, so the discrepancy can be used to keep adults behind bars while their children are not.

But the rise in split families comes from the administration practice to maximize criminal prosecutions and the manner in which authorities are carrying that out.

In 1997, the settlement of a class-action lawsuit set policies for the treatment and release of unaccompanied children who are caught at the border. The Flores settlement, named for a teenage girl who brought the case in the 1980s, requires the government to release children from custody and to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers, in order of preference. If those options are exhausted, authorities must find the "least restrictive" setting for the child who arrived without parents. The administration wants Congress to pass legislation overturning the settlement.

In 2015, a federal judge in Los Angeles expanded the terms of the settlement, ruling that it applies to children who are caught with their parents as well as to those who come to the U.S. alone. Other recent rulings, upheld on appeal, affirm the children's rights to a bond hearing and require better conditions at the Border Patrol's short-term holding facilities.

In 2016, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that child migrants who came to the border with parents and were held in custody must be released. The decision did not state parents must be released. Neither, though, did it require parents to be kept in detention, apart from their children.

What is incorrect?

Was the ‘Law to Separate Families’ Passed in 1997 or ‘by Democrats’?

There is no federal law mandating children and parents be separated at the border; a policy resulting in that outcome was enacted in May 2018.

Claims that the “law to separate families” was passed in 1997, those claims originated with a February 2018 Department of Homeland Security statement referencing “[l]egal loopholes [that] are exploited by minors, family units, and human smugglers.” The DHS statement claimed existing immigration policies “create a pull factor that invites more illegal immigration and encourages parents to pay and entrust their children to criminal organizations.”

However, neither the 1997 Flores settlement nor a 2008 human trafficking law cited in that release in any way stipulated that the government separate children from their parents:

A White House spokesman referred [Factcheck.org] to a DHS statement regarding a 1997 legal settlement and 2008 antitrafficking law affecting minors who are apprehended without a parent present:

Under the 1997 settlement, DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors, pending resolution of their immigration cases. The settlement was later expanded through other court rulings to include both unaccompanied and accompanied children.

The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 requires unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico and Canada to be placed in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, or relatives in the U.S., while they go through removal proceedings. The bipartisan bill was approved by unanimous consent and signed by Bush.

But neither the court settlement nor the 2008 law require the Trump administration to “break up families.”

A cluster of rumors about the controversial separation of families at the border held that the policy came before the Trump administration, either stemming from a 1997 “law” or purported policies of previous administrations. Those claims were false. No federal law required or suggested the family separation policy announced by Attorney General Sessions in several sets of remarks during April and May 2018.

What is incorrect?

The president implied that children were being separated from their parents at the border because of a law enacted by Democrats.

Actually, the policy in question was enacted by his own administration.

On May 7, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a speech that "If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. It's not our fault that somebody does that."

Sessions announced the policy in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Under U.S. law, entering the country illegally is a crime. The Trump administration has decreed that such attempts will be prosecuted, meaning the adults are detained, and any children who accompany them are separated.

White House chief of staff John Kelly told NPR's John Burnett earlier this month that "the children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever. But the big point is they elected to come illegally into the United States and this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long. "

Advocates note that many families attempting to enter the U.S. are seeking asylum from gangs and criminal activities in their home countries, and as such are not breaking the law. The U.S. is obligated to accept asylum-seekers under U.S. and international law if they can show a "credible fear" of persecution or torture.

Lee Gelernt of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project said Tuesday that "Children are begging and screaming not to be separated from their parents, as they're hauled off to different cities. It's a harrowing situation, one that the president himself called horrible. No law even remotely requires the separation of children, and we filed a recent lawsuit arguing, in fact, that the Constitution prohibits this policy."

In an interview with NPR's Morning Edition host Steve Inskeep Tuesday, former President Barack Obama's domestic policy director, Cecilia Muñoz, stated unequivocally that separating children from their parents was not a policy the Obama administration followed.

"The Obama administration did not do that, no. We did not separate children from their parents," Muñoz said. "This is a new decision, a policy decision put in place by the attorney general," which Muñoz said "puts us in league with the most brutal regimes in the world's history."

Still, the White House continues to blame Democrats for failing to act on immigration legislation. At a White House briefing Tuesday, senior policy adviser Stephen Miller attributed what he labeled "the current immigration and border crisis and all of the attendant concerns it raises" to the "exclusive product of loopholes in federal immigration laws that Democrats refuse to close."

However, Democrats are the minority party in both chambers of Congress. The Republican-led majority has yet to take up significant immigration legislation in the House this session, although Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., has committed to holding votes this summer.

What is incorrect?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:

Ok, then you are not doing a very good job at finding unbiased sources that are not trying to spin it in a way you want.

Facts are that all Trump has done is enforce a zero-tolerance policy meaning anyone crossing the border illegally will be prosecuted. under US Code §1325. Any of these with kids fall under the case-law that was made in the Flores-case from California, which specifically puts up some demands the authorities has to uphold. IE kids have to be released into the care of a relative, foster home or other subtle care facilities. And lastly, there is the anti-trafficking policy enacted by George Bush Jr. Which lays the foundation of why the zero-tolerance policy leads to parents and kids being taken apart.

So sure it´s not a great policy, but how else do you enact the zero-tolerance policy? and how do you prevent traffickers and other moral-less people, using random kids as a shield against being prosecuted?

Stop. Just stop. It's much easier for some to blame Trump and pull out the crocodile tears for illegal invaders than it is to actually research the issue and policies at hand. Like myself, you have done some looking into the matter rather than relying on the MSM to tell you how to think. Highest marks! The flores consent decree of 1997 says these kids can not be held for more than 20 days.

If you did research then you'd find you misunderstand the Flores decision.

The DHS website is quite clear on the matter. If you think I care about the pissing match on whether or not the Dems are to blame (like the title says along with the links), I don't.

Edit: Perhaps you think I am interpreting the decision to mean kids MUST be taken from their parents?

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All you have to do is google:

April 19 2018 detainment separation

Miss us all with this party line nonsense, Nazi.