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#1  Edited By lamprey263
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Russian Missiles Cross NATO Border, Killing Two in Poland: Report

Russian missiles hit within Poland's borders and two so far reported killed.

Russia launched around 90 missiles targeting key infrastructure in Ukraine, most of which were shot down by anti-missile defenses, but their shit doesn't work that well (20%-60% missile failure rates) some could stray into Poland, though maybe their using that as plausible deniability because where it hit seemed purposely strategic.

One of those areas hit is grain processing plant in Poland near the border with Ukraine, and seems deliberate since Russia has been trying to squash Ukraine's grain exports as Ukraine is one of the largest grain exporters in the world, possibly in effort to sway international support against Russia same way they're trying to use energy. Comes at a time too where Russia/Putin skipped G20 worried they'd be maligned by pretty much everyone else, so the target and timing seem suspicious too. This also happened just a couple weeks after Russia reneged on agreement not to attack grain shipments out of Ukraine.

All this aside, this is especially important as Russia has now struck a NATO country. Right now leaders in Poland and NATO are bo doubt talking about what to do next. But I don't imagine this is going to be brushed off lightly by the west.

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Could be accidental but that target was awfully convenient for Russia. However, Russia also shot down a Turkish Jet and nothing happened, so we will see what, if anything happens.

Either way, it is abundantly clear that just simply staying away from the Ukraine conflict wont do anything like the usual suspects seem to think it would do. Russia is coming, whether we like it or not.

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Personally, I don't think this will be doomsday or anything, but I do think it will merely solidify people against Russia, up to and including China.

The sooner this ends the better. And not in the terrible MAGA/Elon-Musk way where Russia gets everything it can grab, it gets nothing, and pisses off back to its cave.

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I don't think anything will happen out of this. Other than more support for Ukraine. However I believe NATO said something about these specific instances early in the war.

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It hit a farm right on the border, which included a grain silo. The exact geolocation is a piece of the border that juts eastward into Ukraine, where the land both North and South of that small part of Poland is Ukrainian.

The 99.99% probability is that the missile or missiles were targeted somewhere further south, which would be in Ukraine, and fell short. Or if the axis of movement was SW from launch, it is possible they overshot. Either way this was a mistake unless you think they targeted a Polish tractor and trailer or grain silo or both. The pictures and a map make that obvious.

Still, I would like to see an all out strike on the black sea fleet in retaliation :)

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A strike on Russian positions would be the right answer no doubt.

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#8  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@kathaariancode: I think this would be a generally bad idea.

Although the state Russia is in, don't think actually be able to do much.

My suggestion (as a rando internet user and thus military expert) would be to significantly bolster Ukraine supplies to ridiculous levels.

They are still relatively holding back. And Russia is in a terrible state.

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@uninspiredcup: Maybe give Ukraine the jet fighters they've been so asking since the beginning.

But I would personally have a direct NATO response to a direct attack.

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@girlusocrazy said:

@SUD123456: Logically if there was room for error, they should have been more cautious... But this is Putin and he has disregarded quite a lot so far.

His army from top to bottom is a disaster.

This is a long watch, don't expect watch it, can't blame you, but it goes into excruciating detail about how inherently broken the Russian army is.

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We should have rolled through Berlin and right on into Moscow.

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Maybe it's time for Ukraine to fire missiles into Russia, bomb their infrastructure??

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#15  Edited By SargentD
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@blaznwiipspman1: *Maybe it's time for NATO to fire missiles into Russia, bomb their infrastructure, and force Russia to start launching nukes in defense ending the world as we know it*

*Fixed it*

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@SUD123456: I can see that scenario of the missile falling short if they came from western Belarus, if that's the case I think an appropriate response would be to broaden sanctions like those imposed on Russia to include Belarus as well

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Yeah, more escalations as a response, what's the worse that could happen? Ukraine is already using the US military to plan attacks, US made weapons, and have US soldiers training Ukrainian soldiers and teaching them how to use them. The only part of the war in Ukraine that isn't US at this point, is the contents of the body bags, otherwise Ukraine would have been gone months ago. But people saying we should straight up bomb Russia now? There couldn't be a worse idea.

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Missiles that wouldn't be fired if NATO hadn't escalated the war in Ukraine in the first place, sure, blame it all on Russia and blindly pretend the elite power structure in our own countries are innocent.

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#20  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@eoten said:

Missiles that wouldn't be fired if NATO hadn't escalated the war in Ukraine in the first place, sure, blame it all on Russia and blindly pretend the elite power structure in our own countries are innocent.

There would be no Ukraine if they didn't help.

You lit said it in the prior post.

@eoten said:

Yeah, more escalations as a response, what's the worse that could happen? Ukraine is already using the US military to plan attacks, US made weapons, and have US soldiers training Ukrainian soldiers and teaching them how to use them. The only part of the war in Ukraine that isn't US at this point, is the contents of the body bags, otherwise Ukraine would have been gone months ago. But people saying we should straight up bomb Russia now? There couldn't be a worse idea.

The people who escalated it (and continue to escalate it) is Russia, by not fucking off.

Want it to not escalate? Leave. Give back the land grabbed, alongside paying reparations and the hundreds (if not thousands) of war criminals who have been running AWOL brought to task.

The irony here is this war has highlighted it's not Ukraine that's the problem, the diseased culture in need of purging, it's Russia.

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@eoten said:

Yeah, more escalations as a response, what's the worse that could happen? Ukraine is already using the US military to plan attacks, US made weapons, and have US soldiers training Ukrainian soldiers and teaching them how to use them. The only part of the war in Ukraine that isn't US at this point, is the contents of the body bags, otherwise Ukraine would have been gone months ago. But people saying we should straight up bomb Russia now? There couldn't be a worse idea.

@eoten said:

Missiles that wouldn't be fired if NATO hadn't escalated the war in Ukraine in the first place, sure, blame it all on Russia and blindly pretend the elite power structure in our own countries are innocent.

I'm not sure what Tucker told you, but the war in Ukraine is entirely on Putin. Just like this missile strike, if true. There is literally only one side in the wrong in this instance.

Anything else is spin and lunacy.

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@eoten said:

Yeah, more escalations as a response, what's the worse that could happen? Ukraine is already using the US military to plan attacks, US made weapons, and have US soldiers training Ukrainian soldiers and teaching them how to use them. The only part of the war in Ukraine that isn't US at this point, is the contents of the body bags, otherwise Ukraine would have been gone months ago. But people saying we should straight up bomb Russia now? There couldn't be a worse idea.

@eoten said:

Missiles that wouldn't be fired if NATO hadn't escalated the war in Ukraine in the first place, sure, blame it all on Russia and blindly pretend the elite power structure in our own countries are innocent.

You can't be serious....

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As Ukrainians said best.

If Russia stops fighting there will be no more War. If Ukraine stop fighting there will be no more Ukraine.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@eoten said:

Missiles that wouldn't be fired if NATO hadn't escalated the war in Ukraine in the first place, sure, blame it all on Russia and blindly pretend the elite power structure in our own countries are innocent.

There would be no Ukraine if they didn't help.

You lit said it in the prior post.

@eoten said:

Yeah, more escalations as a response, what's the worse that could happen? Ukraine is already using the US military to plan attacks, US made weapons, and have US soldiers training Ukrainian soldiers and teaching them how to use them. The only part of the war in Ukraine that isn't US at this point, is the contents of the body bags, otherwise Ukraine would have been gone months ago. But people saying we should straight up bomb Russia now? There couldn't be a worse idea.

The people who escalated it (and continue to escalate it) is Russia, by not fucking off.

Want it to not escalate? Leave. Give back the land grabbed, alongside paying reparations and the hundreds (if not thousands) of war criminals who have been running AWOL brought to task.

The irony here is this war has highlighted it's not Ukraine that's the problem, the diseased culture in need of purging, it's Russia.

Maybe an analogy would work.

I think Canada should invade US. Now in order not to escalate the situation, US should just give up and not fight back.

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Might have been Ukranian anti-missile missiles trying to intercept a Russian attack.

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@girlusocrazy said:

@uninspiredcup: One out Putin has is to declare its "Special Military Operation" to have "successfully ended." Putin wasn't trying to convince Russians that they had to succeed in any type of land grab. He could still conclude this without having to appear weak to his own people.

Too late for that. He already declared the occupied territories as parts of ruzzia, meanwhile Ukraine is taking them back. He should have declared that the "referendum" results were negative and fucked off that way. Now his only legitimate (in the eyes of orcs) out is provoke NATO into joining the war and then surrendering to NATO instead of Ukraine (which would be way too embarrassing).

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@eoten: Here’s an idea….how about Russia stops bombing Ukraine? Wouldn’t that be something you’d back?

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@eoten: Here’s an idea….how about Russia stops bombing Ukraine? Wouldn’t that be something you’d back?

Depends, is Zelensky going to stop dropping bombs on citizens in the Eastern provinces along the Russian border, an act which prompted the response from Russia in the first place?

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MAGAZZ <3

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@eoten said:
@sealionact said:

@eoten: Here’s an idea….how about Russia stops bombing Ukraine? Wouldn’t that be something you’d back?

Depends, is Zelensky going to stop dropping bombs on citizens in the Eastern provinces along the Russian border, an act which prompted the response from Russia in the first place?

The first thing Russia did was ignore these regions and attempted a blitzkrieg to the centre of the country in an attempt to have farce election after murdering them all and everyone overwhelmingly wants to be Russian.

Like Kherson, where they murdered anyone with a Ukraine symbol, plastered over everything with Russian propaganda and bodly claimed "it will be Russia for ever"

(for a few weeks)

Thankfully their army was terrible. Russia, is so corrupt, that their basic equipment, literally, does not work properly with an army that can't even invade properly even when it's objectively superior on paper.

It wasn't some goodwill gesture, their army was just terrible. And is.

This "help Ukraine", bullshit. Was a land grab they expected easy, has gone horribly wrong.

And now they are on a continual basis trying to re-contexual it to justify their overwhelming failures.

Just a quick-check list

> Nazis

> Biolabs

>Nato expansion

> Mercs

> Homosexuals and trans people

> Satanism

> Holy War

etc.. etc...

Russia tried, they failed. They are continuing to fail. And the masses of hot wind from their propagandas isn't working on people outside of Russians and fringe right-wing types. And the odd country that has a bone to pick with US of A.

The problem they have, this isn't the 1980's or 90's any more, information is readily available. As soon as Bucha happened whole thing was examined in excruciating detail to the point of individual crimes being laid out on 3D photo map, with timelines of events, recorded satilight footage and simple cam footage of Russians going round trying to smash cameras.

So yea, in case you haven't figured it out, Russia are the bad guys here.

And Russia itself is corrupt to the core that it has massively crippled Russia.

Just gonna flail around their hands with their off-brand Alex Jones raging about this and that as reality constantly sledgehammers them.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@eoten said:
@sealionact said:

@eoten: Here’s an idea….how about Russia stops bombing Ukraine? Wouldn’t that be something you’d back?

Depends, is Zelensky going to stop dropping bombs on citizens in the Eastern provinces along the Russian border, an act which prompted the response from Russia in the first place?

The first thing Russia did was ignore these regions and attempted a blitzkrieg to the centre of the country in an attempt to have farce election after murdering them all and everyone overwhelmingly wants to be Russian.

Like Kherson, where they murdered anyone with a Ukraine symbol, plastered over everything with Russian propaganda and bodily claimed "it will be Russia for ever"

(for a few weeks)

Thankfully their army was terrible. Russia, is so corrupt, that their basic equipment, literally, does not work properly with an army that can't even invade properly even when it's objectively superior on paper.

It wasn't some goodwill gesture, their army was just terrible. And is.

This "help Ukraine", bullshit. Was a land grab they expected easy, has gone horribly wrong.

And now they are on a continual basis trying to re-contexual it to justify their overwhelming failures.

Just a quick-check list

> Nazis

> Biolabs

>Nato expansion

> Mercs

> Homosexuals and trans people

> Satanism

> Holy War

etc.. etc...

Russia tried, they failed. They are continuing to fail. And the masses of hot wind from their propagandas isn't working on people outside of Russians and fringe right-wing types. And the odd country that has a bone to pick with US of A.

The problem they have, this isn't the 1980's or 90's any more, information is readily available. As soon as Bucha happened whole thing was examined in excruciating detail to the point of individual crimes being laid out on 3D photo map, with timelines of events, recorded satilight footage and simple cam footage of Russians going round trying to smash cameras.

So yea, in case you haven't figured it out, Russia are the bad guys here.

And Russia itself is corrupt to the core that it has massively crippled Russia.

Just gonna flail around their hands with their off-brand Alex Jones raging about this and that as reality constantly sledgehammers them.

Seriously dude, if information is so readily available, use it. Ukraine was firing shells and missiles towards the Russian border, dropping them on cities in the east. Russia told them several times to knock it off. Stop pretending Ukraine is completely innocent and blameless.

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#32  Edited By Eoten
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It looks like this story was another case of mainstream media passing on disinformation without evidence, as the investigations are now pointing towards the missiles as having been launched by Ukraine, not Russia, and the "unnamed US official" they were citing as a source, wasn't being honest, or didn't have the evidence to back that claim. Without any kind of verifying evidence or confirmation, they posted that story, you people read it, and convinced yourselves Russian launched missiles just killed people in Poland.

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@eoten: “Along the border”…..so not in Russia? So just to be clear….that was Ukraine fighting a Russian backed separatist movement in Ukraine and you think that justifies Russia invading Ukraine?

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@sealionact said:

@eoten: “Along the border”…..so not in Russia? So just to be clear….that was Ukraine fighting a Russian backed separatist movement in Ukraine and you think that justifies Russia invading Ukraine?

Evidently Ukraine isn't very accurate with their missiles, are they? Would you want them launching their inaccurate missiles near your borders? Maybe we should ask Poland?

And that was Ukraine bombing eastern provinces in a civil war. I couldn't care less if Russia backed them or not, their citizenry voted to break free from western Ukraine, and they did. That doesn't mean they deserve to die for it at the hands of Zelensky.

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Ah I see we have the usual Putin apologists here.

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Ah I see we have the usual Putin apologists here.

I see that all you can do is accuse everyone who doesn't blindly toe the line that NATO and Zelenskyy are angelic saints, are Putin apologists. The world has to be that black and white for people like you to think you understand it.

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I don't know, NATO is confirming this was not a Russian missile so obviously this is a CIA conspiracy against Russia but at the same time MAGAZZ orcs were saying that Russia's attack was justified because Putin's feelings were hurt. I'm unsure.

My vote is to just wipe out some Russian positions just to make sure.

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@kathaariancode said:

I don't know, NATO is confirming this was not a Russian missile so obviously this is a CIA conspiracy against Russia but at the same time MAGAZZ orcs were saying that Russia's attack was justified because Putin's feelings were hurt. I'm unsure.

My vote is to just wipe out some Russian positions just to make sure.

You could just man up and admit you were wrong... instead of pushing your own delusions to avoid doing so. Nobody was justifying anything. But people have been pointing out that many people, besides just Russia, share blame, and that disinformation demonizing Russia while ignoring escalation and crimes committed by other sides helps nobody. That's what escalates these things into bigger wars.

We were on the brink of WWIII because of that misinformation western media was spreading around all morning. Let that sink in.

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#39  Edited By KathaarianCode
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@eoten: We were on the brink of WW3 because people were commenting on GameSpot about Russia's possible miscalculated attack? Lmao

I was the first to point out that this might have been a projectile coming from Ukrainian air defence btw.

I wonder if during WW2 you would be simping for Hitler, like you do for Putin, because other countries had problematic pasts too. We know the answer because your kind were Hitler apologists back then too.

Edit: Regardless I'm still in favour of wiping some orcs from the face of the earth.

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@eoten: “ their citizenry voted to break free from western Ukraine, and they did. ”

When was there a vote? Did Ukraine agree to abide by it beforehand? Are you suggesting that a vote that was proven to be rigged after pro Ukrainians were transported out of Donbas should be taken seriously?

You couldn’t care if Russia backed them or not? Without Russia backing them, there wouldn’t be a civil war you clown…there’d be the same situation that there is in Moldova; a Russian minority living in a foreign country.

Wonder how you would react If the Americans living in - say - Mexico started shooting the Mexican police and Army with guns supplied by the US followed by an invasion of Mexico…because the Mexicans fought back?

It’s a nonsense viewpoint, and you don’t have a normal train of thought.

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@sealionact said:

@eoten: “ their citizenry voted to break free from western Ukraine, and they did. ”

When was there a vote? Did Ukraine agree to abide by it beforehand? Are you suggesting that a vote that was proven to be rigged after pro Ukrainians were transported out of Donbas should be taken seriously?

You couldn’t care if Russia backed them or not? Without Russia backing them, there wouldn’t be a civil war you clown…there’d be the same situation that there is in Moldova; a Russian minority living in a foreign country.

Wonder how you would react If the Americans living in - say - Mexico started shooting the Mexican police and Army with guns supplied by the US followed by an invasion of Mexico…because the Mexicans fought back?

It’s a nonsense viewpoint, and you don’t have a normal train of thought.

Which language do they speak in the regions of Ukraine that separated?

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Ah I see we have the usual Putin apologists here.

I see that all you can do is accuse everyone who doesn't blindly toe the line that NATO and Zelenskyy are angelic saints, are Putin apologists. The world has to be that black and white for people like you to think you understand it.

No. I've seen the same individuals stand up for Putin time and time again.

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#43 Eoten
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Ah I see we have the usual Putin apologists here.

I see that all you can do is accuse everyone who doesn't blindly toe the line that NATO and Zelenskyy are angelic saints, are Putin apologists. The world has to be that black and white for people like you to think you understand it.

No. I've seen the same individuals stand up for Putin time and time again.

Standing up for reality isn't the same as standing up for Putin. Perhaps you should go back to 2002 and be with other war mongers like yourself who pull the "you don't want war? You must be a ____ sympathizer!" crap.

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. I've seen the same individuals stand up for Putin time and time again.

Standing up for reality isn't the same as standing up for Putin. Perhaps you should go back to 2002 and be with other war mongers like yourself who pull the "you don't want war? You must be a ____ sympathizer!" crap.

It's not reality.

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#45 Eoten
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No. I've seen the same individuals stand up for Putin time and time again.

Standing up for reality isn't the same as standing up for Putin. Perhaps you should go back to 2002 and be with other war mongers like yourself who pull the "you don't want war? You must be a ____ sympathizer!" crap.

It's not reality.

Yeah... says the person who believed Russia launched a missile that killed two people in Poland because he read it online...

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#46  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

It's not reality.

Yeah... says the person who believed Russia launched a missile that killed two people in Poland because he read it online...

Now this...👆...right here shows how you constantly ignore reality. I haven't weighed in on who launched a missile. But in your mind you've convinced yourself, incorrectly, that I have it.

Hence, why no one takes you seriously. You make shit up.

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#47 Solaryellow
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@eoten said:

It looks like this story was another case of mainstream media passing on disinformation without evidence, as the investigations are now pointing towards the missiles as having been launched by Ukraine, not Russia, and the "unnamed US official" they were citing as a source, wasn't being honest, or didn't have the evidence to back that claim. Without any kind of verifying evidence or confirmation, they posted that story, you people read it, and convinced yourselves Russian launched missiles just killed people in Poland.

Hell, there has been quite a bit of back peddling since Poland was hit. Such inconsistent information has been know to start wars in the past.

Lets say Russia did launch missiles at Poland. What does your gut tell you if NATO and The United States would do anything in return?

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#48 sealionact
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@eoten: It plays no role which language people speak….it’s no justification for awarding independence, or in this case joining Russia. If that was a justified reason, the Sudetenland would still be German today.

Putin is doing in 2022 what Hitler did in the late 1930s; using a pocket of people in another country as justification as a claim to that land. In 1938, Europe backed down and allowed Germany to claim the Sudetenland peacefully….and we know how that ended up.

No more. You don’t get to claim territories just because they speak the same language.

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#49  Edited By SUD123456
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@eoten: You are a joke. It wasn't deliberate misinformation. It was first reports, which are often wrong regardless of media. Second, within hours it was starting to be reported as possibly an air defence miss. Third, the Polish, Ukrainians, and US all quickly clarified this.

Moreover comrade, any shelling done by Ukraine between 2014 and 2022 on illegally ouccupied territories was the result of a low grade conflict initiated by Russias illegal invasion and annexation in 2014.

Maybe you should make a post about the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines FLT 17 and killing of 298 people by pro Russian militia using a Buk AA system.

Maybe make a post about Russian War Crimes like deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure, murder, torture, looting.

But I know you won't because you are a disinformation bot.

I mean you are so worried about social justice, right.

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#50 comp_atkins
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ah i see @eoten has returned from his pity party over the recent election stomping...

entertaining as always.