Capitol Hill buildings evacuated as Trump supporters clash with police

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Several police departments across the country have opened investigations into cops among their ranks to find out if they were involved in the siege on the U.S. Capitol on Washington, D.C. on January 6th.

The growing number of probes follows an announcement from the Seattle Police Department on Friday that two of its officers have been put on administrative leave pending an investigation into allegations that they were in the nation’s capital during the raucous events.

The New York Times reports that cops from Texas, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire are now under similar scrutiny after social media posts placed them near the riots that took place in the nation’s Capitol.

Some of the potentially incriminating posts were made by the MAGA-supporting officers themselves.

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"Law and order for them but not for me" so sayeth the corrupt cops.

But it's ok. They'll get away scottfree and the trumpettes will continue to excuse their lawlessness.

Interesting. Any person who is simply present at a protest/gathering that is later determined to be unrest/riot is equally culpable as the individuals committing the crimes. Good to know that's where you stand.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@drunk_pi said:

Several police departments across the country have opened investigations into cops among their ranks to find out if they were involved in the siege on the U.S. Capitol on Washington, D.C. on January 6th.

The growing number of probes follows an announcement from the Seattle Police Department on Friday that two of its officers have been put on administrative leave pending an investigation into allegations that they were in the nation’s capital during the raucous events.

The New York Times reports that cops from Texas, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire are now under similar scrutiny after social media posts placed them near the riots that took place in the nation’s Capitol.

Some of the potentially incriminating posts were made by the MAGA-supporting officers themselves.

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"Law and order for them but not for me" so sayeth the corrupt cops.

But it's ok. They'll get away scottfree and the trumpettes will continue to excuse their lawlessness.

Interesting. Any person who is simply present at a protest/gathering that is later determined to be unrest/riot is equally culpable as the individuals committing the crimes. Good to know that's where you stand.

Hey now. Appears you guys do the same thing with BLM protests or any other protests. Not my problem.

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@drunk_pi: Investigate the individuals participating in the riots? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during a protest and attempt to cancel them because of wrong-think? No.

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@horgen said:

Anyone noticed the Georgia flag that was shown was for the countr Georgia, not the state?

Maybe they thought the state already succeeded. :P

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#355  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Investigate the individuals participating in the riots? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during a protest and attempt to cancel them because of wrong-think? No.

Does this apply to all sides of the spectrum? Because if I am being totally honest here, I don't see conservatives, right-wingers, and law enforcement being this understanding of other protests.

You're right, of course, in either case: investigate the actual wrong-doers, let those who partake in American pastimes like protesting do their thing.

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@mrbojangles25: Yes, investigating criminal acts occur regardless of political affiliation.

As for "understanding", hm, well I've never been screamed at by a right winger on a protest line in the middle of summer heat. I've never had a right winger wish death upon me, my wife, or friends/family. I've never responded to a riot involving a right wing group. I've never had objects thrown at me which include fireworks, bottles, rocks, cans, trash, etc by right wing groups. I've never stood in front of a national guard detail because of right wing groups. I've never worked 12-16 hour days for a week straight because of civil unrest from right wing groups.

If you want "understanding" then come at me like a civil adult or conduct yourself in a civil manner. Being the loudest in the room doesn't dictate credence. There's plenty of protests that occur every day across the country that go on without issues. Law enforcement will protect that sacred right for those who can act like adults.

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#357  Edited By texasgoldrush
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From what I can get from her IG Live, AOC may have never been secured or not properly secured, she did not trust the police and knew full well there were traitor congressmembers revealing the location of congressmembers in the extraction point. She did not give out full details out of security reasons.

Ayanna Pressley was also not secure and she left the extraction point thinking it was compromised.

That is a huge failure for Capitol Police.

On the other hand, Ilhan Omar was secured with Congressional leadership.

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there was an itv special on the riots last night. they had cameras in the building filming the rioting and interviewing participants. none could really explain what exactly they were trying to achieve. there was a consistent save the country from corruption / we're not going to take it any more theme, but beyond that they were blaming everything from pedos, to rothschilds, to immigrants, to antifa, to electoral fraud, to the democrats for them rioting.

came across as a lot of angry, lower class, poorly educated white people wanting to lash out. reminded me of that south park episode

they terk err jerbs!
they terk err jerbs!

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@Macutchi said:

there was an itv special on the riots last night. they had cameras in the building filming the rioting and interviewing participants. none could really explain what exactly they were trying to achieve. there was a consistent save the country from corruption / we're not going to take it any more theme, but beyond that they were blaming everything from pedos, to rothschilds, to immigrants, to antifa, to electoral fraud, to the democrats for them rioting.

came across as a lot of angry, lower class, poorly educated white people wanting to lash out. reminded me of that south park episode

they terk err jerbs!
they terk err jerbs!

I was just thinking how these Maga cults remind me of a South Park episode LMAO.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: "I've never had a right winger wish death upon me, my wife, or friends/family. I've never responded to a riot involving a right wing group. I've never had objects thrown at me which include fireworks, bottles, rocks, cans, trash, etc by right wing groups. I've never stood in front of a national guard detail because of right wing groups. I've never worked 12-16 hour days for a week straight because of civil unrest from right wing groups."

This is a great example of why anecdotal evidence is poor evidence, since we know all of those things occur.

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@mattbbpl: I didn't state those issues do not come to pass, I merely advised my "understanding" of the issue from the areas which have shaped my experience over my career. That's the beauty of "opinions" ... especially those in which start with "I".

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@Macutchi: So did the leftist riots for the past 6 months or so also remind you of that south park episode, or were their billions in destruction not from poorly educated, lower class of people?

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@Macutchi: So did the leftist riots for the past 6 months or so also remind you of that south park episode

no why?

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Investigate the individuals participating in the riots? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during a protest and attempt to cancel them because of wrong-think? No.

*Investigate individuals participating in attempting to overthrow the government? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during said insurrection who also espouses views that are prejudiced and conspiratorial and would encourage more violence directly or indirectly? Yes again. ;)

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@drunk_pi: Yup, always a new day for orwellian narratives.

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#366  Edited By texasgoldrush
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This is also an inside job......Rep. Ayanna Pressley's panic buttons were disabled and her staff couldn't use them. This feels like a targeted attack on a Squad member.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Yup, always a new day for orwellian narratives.

Orwell was a socialist... the same ideology conservatives associate with Nazi Germany and Communist China.

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@nintendoboy16: I see that went over like a 747, but Godwin is always applicable.

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#369  Edited By Zaryia
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Investigate the individuals participating in the riots? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during a protest and attempt to cancel them because of wrong-think? No.

I saw a few videos where the protest went through police security layers that stated "no access", pushing their way through the Cops several 100 feet away from the capitol grounds you say thousands of people standing. So does it still count as a protest if all the people surrounding the capitol went past multiple security lines? Or is it a unruly gathering at that point?

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@zaryia: In order for an assembly to be declared unlawful, it needs specific facts of unrest and violence. After specific facts are observed by a commander officer/or above, the "assembled" require ample notification of the declared unlawfulness which include a bull horn, vehicle PA systems, or air notification. Areas "accessible" to the public, even if cordoned off by makeshift/temporary barriers, likely wouldn't substantiate any crime of criminal trespass without any said notification. I do not know if the Capitol has specific statutes in their jurisdiction which handle areas around the federal property however and its enforcement due to "national security" issues.

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#371  Edited By horgen  Moderator
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@Byshop said:
@horgen said:

Anyone noticed the Georgia flag that was shown was for the countr Georgia, not the state?

Maybe they thought the state already succeeded. :P

Maybe. Or it was same guy who thought Russia invaded Georgia in US some years ago.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Yup, always a new day for orwellian narratives.

So it's ok when police officers espouse prejudiced and conspiratorial viewpoints?

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@drunk_pi: If you don't like the first amendment, feel free to move to a despot nation.

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@Macutchi: Of course not, gotcha. Hypocrite.

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#375  Edited By Drunk_PI
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: If you don't like the first amendment, feel free to move to a despot nation.

Don't need to. Trump supporters and their enablers are far more interested in making this country into a despot nation by overthrowing a free and fair election and continuing the policies that are contradictory to the nation's founding principles.

Are you suggesting that it's ok for police officers to espouse prejudiced and conspiratorial viewpoints? Especially as those viewpoints have encouraged and led to an insurrection at the Capitol? **Especially as those viewpoints can and have led officers to commit violent acts against minority groups?

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@drunk_pi: Yes, the dozens (or even hundreds) of individuals who damaged federal property and forced entry into the Capitol were going to successfully overthrow the government, successfully take control of 2 million military personnel, and install a "dictator" to then dissolve the federal systems, then dissolve the local state governments, county and municipalities across the country. Sounds like an internet warrior mindset.

Again, if you don't like a private citizen exercising their first amendment rights to assemble. See prior post, your baiting is as weak as the rioters attempt to "stop the steal."

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Yes, the dozens (or even hundreds) of individuals who damaged federal property and forced entry into the Capitol were going to successfully overthrow the government, successfully take control of 2 million military personnel, and install a "dictator" to then dissolve the federal systems, then dissolve the local state governments, county and municipalities across the country. Sounds like an internet warrior mindset.

Again, if you don't like a private citizen exercising their first amendment rights to assemble. See prior post, your baiting is as weak as the rioters attempt to "stop the steal."

That was their intention, was it not? Or was it just for funsies? Your evasiveness is as sad as Trump's claim to the presidency for a second term. And see my previous post. Trump supporters and its enablers are far more interested in making this country despotic.

It's irrelevant whether or not they were highly organized and/or just stupid. Their intent was to stop the certification of the election through violent means as evidenced with what was reported. Historically, insurrections do not have to be super-organized to be effective so you dismissing it is irrelevant.

The issue is someone who holds a position of authority espousing prejudiced and conspiratorial viewpoints that have and led to violent acts as seen on the capitol grounds. So again, do you support a police officer who espouses racist and/or conspiratorial viewpoints? It's not a first amendment issue as those type of people can lead to greater abuse as police officers against minority groups, thus leading to greater mistrust between police and the population it's suppose to protect.

Or do you want to evade some more and just end it as a "we'll agree to disagree?" ;)

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@drunk_pi: I tend to steer clear from hyperbolic silliness, including any reaching to despotism and supporting of orwellian thought-control. Law enforcement, like many other careers, have to abide by their policy when exercising their rights off duty which includes public actions and private social media posting.

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@Macutchi: Of course not, gotcha. Hypocrite.

i don't follow your logic pal. there was a documentary on the capitol riot that interviewed some of the rioters. they reminded me of that south park episode. simple as that. why does that bother you so much?

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It'll be interesting to see how Jack Dorsey handles his global responsibility from here on in. Won't lie - I'm really curious what would have happened if he'd not responded by taking down the president's account. Would Twitter have been held accountable for any consequences? How will his company's decision play out regarding other countries' complaints about political destabilisation? How will Twitter treat more broadly-defined incitement in future? Will there still be a 2021 draw mohammed day on Twitter? How about 2022? And would anyone actually miss that kind of stuff?

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@silentchief said:
@warmblur said

Lol , the leftist freak show look like Mad Max rejects.

Why do you keep posting off-topic trash. It's 8 pages now.

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@zaryia said:
@silentchief said:
@warmblur said

Lol , the leftist freak show look like Mad Max rejects.

Why do you keep posting off-topic trash. It's 8 pages now.

Oh it appears that triggered you.

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@silentchief said:
@zaryia said:
@silentchief said:
@warmblur said

Lol , the leftist freak show look like Mad Max rejects.

Why do you keep posting off-topic trash. It's 8 pages now.

Oh it appears that triggered you.

Why do you keep trolling. It's 8 pages now.

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I wonder if those investigating will learn who got a guided tour there January 5th.

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@zaryia said:
@silentchief said:
@zaryia said:
@silentchief said:
@warmblur said

Lol , the leftist freak show look like Mad Max rejects.

Why do you keep posting off-topic trash. It's 8 pages now.

Oh it appears that triggered you.

Why do you keep trolling. It's 8 pages now.

just ignore the obvious alt account troll. he's just trying to waste your time with garbage

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WOW

One of the most vulnerable and threatened members of congress was never secured. Confirmed.

Not only complete security failure, but its due to the lack of trust. This was an inside job as well.

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Trump is taking names of GOP members who voted against him in impeachment

President Trump has been demanding to know which Republicans voted against him during the House impeachment and whether those lawmakers could be primaried during the 2022 midterms, a source familiar with the comments confirms to CNN.

Link

He appears to be digging himself in deeper, and isn't letting go of the conspiracy theories.

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So while Eugene Goodman did something brave, if it all happened a minute or two earlier they would have run into Pence? I wonder how that would turn out. Link

Also say what you want about the rhetoric that Trump used. From some of the people that showed up

“The President asked for his supporters to be there to attend, and I felt like it was important, because of how much I love this country, to actually be there,” Brock said.

“We were invited here by the President of the United States,” another man yelled at police officers on the Capitol grounds, in a video that’s since circulated widely on the web.

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@horgen said:

So while Eugene Goodman did something brave, if it all happened a minute or two earlier they would have run into Pence? I wonder how that would turn out. Link

Also say what you want about the rhetoric that Trump used. From some of the people that showed up

“The President asked for his supporters to be there to attend, and I felt like it was important, because of how much I love this country, to actually be there,” Brock said.

“We were invited here by the President of the United States,” another man yelled at police officers on the Capitol grounds, in a video that’s since circulated widely on the web.

Goodman deserves a medal of honor and freedom.

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@zaryia said:
@horgen said:

So while Eugene Goodman did something brave, if it all happened a minute or two earlier they would have run into Pence? I wonder how that would turn out. Link

Also say what you want about the rhetoric that Trump used. From some of the people that showed up

“The President asked for his supporters to be there to attend, and I felt like it was important, because of how much I love this country, to actually be there,” Brock said.

“We were invited here by the President of the United States,” another man yelled at police officers on the Capitol grounds, in a video that’s since circulated widely on the web.

Goodman deserves a medal of honor and freedom.

Yeah. Think about it though, if the terrorists succeeded, he would have been labelled a traitor.

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@horgen said:
@zaryia said:

Goodman deserves a medal of honor and freedom.

Yeah. Think about it though, if the terrorists succeeded, he would have been labelled a traitor.

The terrorists succeeding isn't even really worth considering in that regard. Several individuals in the crowd were there with intent to kill congressmembers, and the next 3 in line to presidency if DT were out. We're essentially talking about the start of genuine civil war, effectively the end of American democracy, and at that point any singular story of isolated heroism doesn't really matter.

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#394  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@zaryia said:
@horgen said:

So while Eugene Goodman did something brave, if it all happened a minute or two earlier they would have run into Pence? I wonder how that would turn out. Link

Also say what you want about the rhetoric that Trump used. From some of the people that showed up

“The President asked for his supporters to be there to attend, and I felt like it was important, because of how much I love this country, to actually be there,” Brock said.

“We were invited here by the President of the United States,” another man yelled at police officers on the Capitol grounds, in a video that’s since circulated widely on the web.

Goodman deserves a medal of honor and freedom.

Goodman, Sicknick (the officer that died in the line of duty), and the "Thanks, but **** you for being there" cop.

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Well this just happened.

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@warmblur: I read somewhere that she turned herself in to the FBI.

Speaking of arrests, it'll be great to see which higher-ups are arrested the minute after Trump loses his pardoning powers.

Boebert seems like an obvious first choice, especially since she allegedly gave guided tours of the Capitol the day before the attack (presumably to help the mob plan out their attack on key targets?).

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: I tend to steer clear from hyperbolic silliness, including any reaching to despotism and supporting of orwellian thought-control. Law enforcement, like many other careers, have to abide by their policy when exercising their rights off duty which includes public actions and private social media posting.

Law enforcement isn't like most careers where a person holds certain privileges and authority to enforce the law, especially when a person's beliefs allow them to enforce the law unfairly and unjustly as seen numerous times in the history of this country.

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@drunk_pi said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: I tend to steer clear from hyperbolic silliness, including any reaching to despotism and supporting of orwellian thought-control. Law enforcement, like many other careers, have to abide by their policy when exercising their rights off duty which includes public actions and private social media posting.

Law enforcement isn't like most careers where a person holds certain privileges and authority to enforce the law, especially when a person's beliefs allow them to enforce the law unfairly and unjustly as seen numerous times in the history of this country.

Yeah I am glad they are firing cops who were there. They are even firing cops who supported that event on Facebook. It's scary knowing there is law enforcement who don't really care about rule of law or Democracy due to extreme partisan politics, and possibly even in the Trump Cult as some were

@drunk_pi said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

@drunk_pi: Investigate the individuals participating in the riots? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during a protest and attempt to cancel them because of wrong-think? No.

*Investigate individuals participating in attempting to overthrow the government? Yes. Investigate anyone who was present during said insurrection who also espouses views that are prejudiced and conspiratorial and would encourage more violence directly or indirectly? Yes again. ;)

I mean cops were violently attacked well OUTSIDE of the Capitol too. Security lines were breached well outside of the Capitol. I'm not sure you can call it a protest at that point, legally. Can you?

I don't think they can or should investigate every single person on the grounds, but they shouldn't completely brush it all aside. There are plenty of videos/pictures of plenty of people who should be investigated in the "outside protests".

That being said, everyone outside or inside that Capitol was indeed a dumb shit. You have to remember they were mostly there due to a fake conspiracy theory. I mean lol.