When BLM riots cause deaths do you blame the protesters or the police? I'm just detecting a weird double standard here. It seems like those on the left are just recently against protest all of a sudden.
Tell me was the 12 year unarmed airforce vet shot by the police a cause for concern to you? Or does it not really matter because she was a white Trump supporter?
I never did that. You're not detecting a double standard. You're deflecting with a straw-man.
Anyway, why are you defending this terrorism. What's wrong with you?
No I'm asking a simple question which you cant seem to answer because I believe it will catch you in a blatant act of hypocrisy.
Left wing riot peaceful protest.
Right ring riot act of terrorism.
That's called a double standard.
I never said any of this. I think both riots are bad. This was very different though.
Also I watched the video of the lady being shot, they were violently trying to break into the main hall. That's a no no.
When BLM riots cause deaths do you blame the protesters or the police? I'm just detecting a weird double standard here. It seems like those on the left are just recently against protest all of a sudden.
Tell me was the 12 year unarmed airforce vet shot by the police a cause for concern to you? Or does it not really matter because she was a white Trump supporter?
I never did that. You're not detecting a double standard. You're deflecting with a straw-man.
Anyway, why are you defending this terrorism. What's wrong with you?
No I'm asking a simple question which you cant seem to answer because I believe it will catch you in a blatant act of hypocrisy.
Left wing riot peaceful protest.
Right ring riot act of terrorism.
That's called a double standard.
I never said any of this. I think both riots are bad. This was very different though.
Also I watched the video of the lady being shot, they were violently trying to break into the main hall. That's a no no.
Ok so when BLM protesters break into buildings they deserve to be shot as well correct? Is breaking into buildings where you draw the line? I'm really wondering about this because when BLM protest everyone who gets shot seems to be a Saint.
I find it funny that so many above condemn the storming of a government building, but when the same thing happens in another country, the same people fully support their actions.
I guess to you trying to topple a dictator and trying to instate one are identical acts.
@zaryia: No need to argue with a freshly registered troll alt.
@ailentchief: He called you special, he said he loves you, now it's time to go home
Oh you will never see me at a riot or protest nice assumption though. I hope you stay consistent with your outrage to protest in the future. Perhaps you can create another CHOP in Seattle.
Well on the plus side a few Republicans that were planning on objecting to vote counts have withdrawn. Some scumbags still went through with it, but they were beaten down, and harshly.
By a vote of 93 to 6, the Senate defeated the effort to exclude Arizona's election results from Biden's tally. The House rejected the objection by a vote of 301 to 122, with 82 Republicans joining 219 Democrats to quash it.
Sad it had to take a literal storming of the capital for politicians to get scared enough to realize the error of their ways, but on the other hand it's nice to see them feel the fear they so often sell to the public.
There's even rumors of them invoking the 25th Amendment (removal of unfit president from office), but that's sort of a moot point now; too little too late.
When BLM riots cause deaths do you blame the protesters or the police? I'm just detecting a weird double standard here. It seems like those on the left are just recently against protest all of a sudden.
Tell me was the 12 year unarmed airforce vet shot by the police a cause for concern to you? Or does it not really matter because she was a white Trump supporter?
I never did that. You're not detecting a double standard. You're deflecting with a straw-man.
Anyway, why are you defending this terrorism. What's wrong with you?
No I'm asking a simple question which you cant seem to answer because I believe it will catch you in a blatant act of hypocrisy.
Left wing riot peaceful protest.
Right ring riot act of terrorism.
That's called a double standard.
I never said any of this. I think both riots are bad. This was very different though.
Also I watched the video of the lady being shot, they were violently trying to break into the main hall. That's a no no.
What a very interesting reaction to a deadly force incident.
So there are some positives coming out of this. Plus this puts the final nail in the coffin of Trump 2024 - there's no way conservative Republicans will support him after today's actions.
Well on the plus side a few Republicans that were planning on objecting to vote counts have withdrawn. Some scumbags still went through with it, but they were beaten down, and harshly.
By a vote of 93 to 6, the Senate defeated the effort to exclude Arizona's election results from Biden's tally. The House rejected the objection by a vote of 301 to 122, with 82 Republicans joining 219 Democrats to quash it.
Sad it had to take a literal storming of the capital for politicians to get scared enough to realize the error of their ways, but on the other hand it's nice to see them feel the fear they so often sell to the public.
There's even rumors of them invoking the 25th Amendment (removal of unfit president from office), but that's sort of a moot point now; too little too late.
The Republican party won't recover from this. They lost everything and this event will be used against them.
They should probably just split the union at the point.
Lots of double standards and newspeak in 2020 that was just tossed out. Typical politics.
There is a huge difference.
Trump Supporters generally failed to adhere to COVID 19 guidelines, BLM supporters for most of the part, didnt. Although there were some pockets that didnt. Context matters.
Likewise, most people in these protests (and the last one too) were peaceful protestors. But that doesnt change the fact that there were terrorists among them. Same goes for members of BLM and Antifa who use violence against civilians and politicians to achieve their goal.
However, in the case of this protest, whether it is a matter of publicity or otherwise, the terrorists completely stole the spotlight.
Edit: Then there is also the intent behind both. Even at best, anyone who was involved in this was attacking democracy. Meanwhile with BLM, the movement as a whole was standing up for civil rights. This alone makes a huge difference.
@uitravioience: Why should they be mad? They have both presidency and congress in the bag. It's just libs that live inside a bubble that don't recognize the victory of glorious leader Donald. Any time now the courts will declare him the winner. Unleash the Kraken!!
We just watched the death of the Republican Party as anything more than a fringe political entity. GA senate runoffs were just the beginning. They may have lost moderates for a generation.
Lots of double standards and newspeak in 2020 that was just tossed out. Typical politics.
I don't think there's anyway you can spin the people who raided and actually breached the Capitol as being anything like a protestor. Certainly the FBI won't.
No matter your politics. Some of these lunatics died, as they were shot in the gut (or was it the face?) for being terrorists who tried to enter a chamber full of protected politicians. There were pipe bombs left. Senators and Congressmen had to be lead into underground tunnels. The election count had to be cancelled. These people explicitly were attempting to overturn the election. This is quite a bit different than holding a sign. This is terrorism and insurrection.
Lots of double standards and newspeak in 2020 that was just tossed out. Typical politics.
I don't think there's anyway you can spin the people who raided and actually breached the Capitol as being anything like a protestor. Certainly the FBI won't.
No matter your politics. Some of these lunatics died, as they were shot in the gut (or was it the face?) for being terrorists who tried to enter a chamber full of protected politicians. There were pipe bombs left. Senators and Congressmen had to be lead into underground tunnels. The election count had to be cancelled. These people explicitly were attempting to overturn the election. This is quite a bit different than holding a sign. This is terrorism and insurrection.
That's not typical politics.
BLM protesters just hold Signs? I must have just have just imagined the burning buildings, looting stores , standing in front of traffic and dragging people out of their cars and beating them half to death. Funny thing is BLM is also a lie.
We just watched the death of the Republican Party as anything more than a fringe political entity. GA senate runoffs were just the beginning. They may have lost moderates for a generation.
Most the moderates will come back after a Biden Harris administration.
To be honest I was shocked by the images of the police officer murdering the Trump cultist. Good thing that the right supports the idea that the police should be aloud to execute people on the spot. But to me that was a complete overreaction and - irony apart - it's incredible how no one gives a ****.
What a very interesting reaction to a deadly force incident.
Not surprising that they would shoot a terrorist trying to overthrow the Capitol.
The worst part is these far right nutjobs died for a lie.
Interesting, so you would have rather law enforcement just open fire on all who trespassed onto federal property?
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
Why do you think she was shot.......for handing out flowers?
@rmpumper: Ah so you do think Hong Kong has no freedom, people are controlled and repressed right? A rather dystopian society?
Well, allow me to introduce you to a US independent think-tank (non-government funded) called the Cato Institute.
For decades the researchers produce an annual Freedom Index.
According to these US researchers, the Freedom Index positions Hong Kong at 3rd place. In comparison, the US and coincidentally the UK ranks at 17th. (Which you believe to be more free).
Hong Kong scores 8.53/10 for personal freedom and 8.94 for economic freedom.
In the past decade HK ranked 1st for five years, 2nd for two years, 3rd for three years and 4th once.
So why don’t you contact these researchers at the Cato Institute and tell them, “you’ve fucked up.” Of course YOU know better don’t you?
As I said above, some people are really stupid and are misled by their local media and politicians!
@kadin_kai: lol, quoting numbers from before CCP took over the government (see, they have all the freedom anyone would want now, because look at the index from two years ago). Nice.
Interesting, so you would have rather law enforcement just open fire on all who trespassed onto federal property?
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
Why do you think she was shot.......for handing out flowers?
Interesting, just making sure to see you're okay with law enforcement officers utilizing de-facto mass, and indiscriminate, deadly force for the federal property crimes.
Interesting, so you would have rather law enforcement just open fire on all who trespassed onto federal property?
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
Why do you think she was shot.......for handing out flowers?
Interesting, just making sure to see you're okay with law enforcement officers utilizing de-facto mass, and indiscriminate, deadly force for the federal property crimes.
I never said that.
It depends on the situation, It's not interesting or unexpected at all. I'd expect capitol security to shoot terrorists who are violently trying to get into the fucking inner chambers close to several Senators and Congressmen after already breaching 4 layers of defense. From the video of the shooting it seemed entirely justified - the far right psychopaths were getting INSANE and in the WRONG place. The fact that I even have to debate this with you is making me raise eyebrows.
Should they shoot the Shaman dude casually sitting in a chair and fucking up Nancy Pelosi's desk (and having commit several crimes at this point, as you know)? NO WAY, of course not. Probably why most of these people were just arrested or let go instead of shot.... (Until the FBI fucks their lunatic lives up soon). Although there are arguments to be made not enough non-lethal force/numbers was not shown beforehand to prevent the breach in the first place.
I'd expect you of all people to understand different situations and circumstances which do and don't call for shooting someone in the face. I would certainly hope you would use force to protect a large number of Senators and Congressman against terrorists....
Lots of double standards and newspeak in 2020 that was just tossed out. Typical politics.
I don't think there's anyway you can spin the people who raided and actually breached the Capitol as being anything like a protestor. Certainly the FBI won't.
No matter your politics. Some of these lunatics died, as they were shot in the gut (or was it the face?) for being terrorists who tried to enter a chamber full of protected politicians. There were pipe bombs left. Senators and Congressmen had to be lead into underground tunnels. The election count had to be cancelled. These people explicitly were attempting to overturn the election. This is quite a bit different than holding a sign. This is terrorism and insurrection.
That's not typical politics.
BLM protesters just hold Signs? I must have just have just imagined the burning buildings, looting stores , standing in front of traffic and dragging people out of their cars and beating them half to death. Funny thing is BLM is also a lie.
please do yourself a favor and read the reports from various policing agencies that claimed that White supremacists came to BLM protests to INCITE violence in order to undermine the message... and it succeeded, because it got people like you thinking that only BLM was causing destruction. Below are some of the reports outlining far-right groups and white supremacists actions during the protests:
far-right extremist killing 2 officers during BLM protests:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53076159
Breaking windows in an attempt to incite violence:
now, i'm not saying that violence didn't occur from the left... but the reports confirm that the right was also implicit in the BLM protests. who knows how the protests would have happened if the far-right nutjobs didn't show up... by the way, Trump defends those very same nutjobs, while blaming the other side for all the violence. what a garbage president
BLM protesters just hold Signs? I must have just have just imagined the burning buildings, looting stores , standing in front of traffic and dragging people out of their cars and beating them half to death. Funny thing is BLM is also a lie.
I'm not defending BLM. I'm aware they had rioters. I'm telling the poster his analogy was shit. Because it was. But they didn't storm the Capitol and cause Senators and Congressman to run into escape tunnels and stop Democracy. That's next level shit and the entire world is taking note right now.
BLM lie sometimes, but their entire message wasn't a lie. Unlike these Far Right terrorists from yesterday who stormed the capitol. The last time this happened was 1814 btw.
BLM protesters just hold Signs? I must have just have just imagined the burning buildings, looting stores , standing in front of traffic and dragging people out of their cars and beating them half to death. Funny thing is BLM is also a lie.
I'm not defending BLM. I'm aware they had rioters. I'm telling the poster his analogy was shit. Because it was. But they didn't storm the Capitol and cause Senators and Congressman to run into escape tunnels and stop Democracy. That's next level shit and the entire world is tathey didn't storm theking note right now.
BLM lie sometimes, but their entire message wasn't a lie. Unlike these Far Right terrorists from yesterday who stormed the capitol. The last time this happened was 1814 btw.
No they just took over several city blocks in Seattle and attempted to separate it from the rest of the US.
It depends on the situation, It's not interesting at all. I'd expect capitol security to shoot someone who is violently trying to get into the fucking inner chambers close to several Senators and Congressmen after already breaching 4 layers of defense. From the video of the shooting it seemed entirely justified - the far right psychopaths were getting insane and in the WRONG place.
Should they shoot the Shaman dude randomly sitting in a chair and fucking up Nancy Pelosi's desk (and having commit several crimes at this point, as you know)? NO WAY, of course not. Probably why these people were just arrested or let go (Until the FBI fucks their lunatic lives up soon) instead of shot....
I'd expect you of all people to understand different situations and circumstances which do and don't call for shooting someone in the face.
BLM protesters just hold Signs? I must have just have just imagined the burning buildings, looting stores , standing in front of traffic and dragging people out of their cars and beating them half to death. Funny thing is BLM is also a lie.
I'm not defending BLM. I'm aware they had rioters. I'm telling the poster his analogy was shit. Because it was. But they didn't storm the Capitol and cause Senators and Congressman to run into escape tunnels and stop Democracy. That's next level shit and the entire world is taking note right now.
BLM lie sometimes, but their entire message wasn't a lie. Unlike these Far Right terrorists from yesterday who stormed the capitol. The last time this happened was 1814 btw.
No they just took over several city blocks in Seattle and attempted to separate it from the rest of the US.
Both are bad, we can agree on that. But one is not as bad as storming the Capitol in an attempted coup based off of a lie - egged on by the sitting POTUS. Global news today should make you aware of the difference in severity if the actions don't.
BTW, do you think the election was a fraud and rigged?
I was very specific. It's not my fault you didn't understand.
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
I didn't give a hypothetical situation. It's on tape. It was justified.
It depends on the situation, It's not interesting at all. I'd expect capitol security to shoot someone who is violently trying to get into the fucking inner chambers close to several Senators and Congressmen after already breaching 4 layers of defense. From the video of the shooting it seemed entirely justified - the far right psychopaths were getting insane and in the WRONG place.
Should they shoot the Shaman dude randomly sitting in a chair and fucking up Nancy Pelosi's desk (and having commit several crimes at this point, as you know)? NO WAY, of course not. Probably why these people were just arrested or let go (Until the FBI fucks their lunatic lives up soon) instead of shot....
Are you one of the 20% of Americans who supported the terrorists because I'm not sure where you are headed with this line of inquiry other than defending their actions.
I was very specific. It's not my fault you didn't understand.
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
And then I specified even further,
It depends on the situation, It's not interesting at all. I'd expect capitol security to shoot someone who is violently trying to get into the fucking inner chambers close to several Senators and Congressmen after already breaching 4 layers of defense. From the video of the shooting it seemed entirely justified - the far right psychopaths were getting insane and in the WRONG place.
Should they shoot the Shaman dude randomly sitting in a chair and fucking up Nancy Pelosi's desk (and having commit several crimes at this point, as you know)? NO WAY, of course not. Probably why these people were just arrested or let go (Until the FBI fucks their lunatic lives up soon) instead of shot....
Are you one of the 20% of Americans who supported the terrorists because I'm not sure where you are headed with this line of inquiry other than defending their actions.
I'm aware of what you wrote earlier, along with the many edits there-in. There was no misunderstanding.
@silentchief: I wouldn’t count on it. Trumps name will come up like a hiccup for a decade during debates and will serve as a constant reminder of how close we came to authoritarianism. I’m a 42 year old moderate, and GOP has lost me for life. Policy doesn’t matter when one side is okay with literally throwing your right to free and fair elections in the trash to preserve their power.
I was very specific. It's not my fault you didn't understand.
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
And then I specified even further,
It depends on the situation, It's not interesting at all. I'd expect capitol security to shoot someone who is violently trying to get into the fucking inner chambers close to several Senators and Congressmen after already breaching 4 layers of defense. From the video of the shooting it seemed entirely justified - the far right psychopaths were getting insane and in the WRONG place.
Should they shoot the Shaman dude randomly sitting in a chair and fucking up Nancy Pelosi's desk (and having commit several crimes at this point, as you know)? NO WAY, of course not. Probably why these people were just arrested or let go (Until the FBI fucks their lunatic lives up soon) instead of shot....
Are you one of the 20% of Americans who supported the terrorists because I'm not sure where you are headed with this line of inquiry other than defending their actions.
I'm aware of what you wrote earlier, along with the many edits there-in. There was no misunderstanding.
Why lie?
@Stevo_the_gamer said:
Interesting, so you would have rather law enforcement just open fire on all who trespassed onto federal property?
I never said yes to this sentence. Use your mod powers to bring up my edits showing I said yes to this if you want.
My edits were mostly for clarification and removing away insults at you since you're a mod because of you're constant shit posting ITT. Oops, I won't be editing that last one out.
And boy am I pleased to know a LEO is defending terrorism.
@Stevo_the_gamer: If I recall correctly, Donald Trump did famously say: "when the looting starts, the shooting starts."
I'm sure she agreed with that one last year.
Imagine dying for a fictional cause created by some insane rich person.
There's really no debate anymore. Trumpies are lunatics. They're not about America, they're about giving rise to a demagogue dictator of a president that only serves for the interest of his own image.
If you're a republican still supporting Trump, you should be ashamed of yourself. You're not about America.
If they were about to breach the inner chamber close to a large number of US Senators and Congressmen who were scrambling into escape tunnels (The fucking fact that I had to type that sentence.....). Yes.
Why do you think she was shot.......for handing out flowers?
Interesting, just making sure to see you're okay with law enforcement officers utilizing de-facto mass, and indiscriminate, deadly force for the federal property crimes.
The rioters were literally smashing through the glass and breaking down the doors to push into the inner chambers of the USA's most important government building while it's Congress was still there, when the single shot that killed the woman was fired. Video proves the woman straight up tried climbing through the smashed windows to get into inner area despite the armed guards warning the angry mob to back off.
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