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Posted by Migina (56 posts) 2 months, 22 days ago

Poll: Biden vs. Sanders (35 votes)

Biden 31%
Sanders 69%

One of these two will become the next nominee. They are destroying everyone else in the polls. But who do you choose?

Sanders: My pick. I love everything about what he says. Medicare for all, free education, voting rights for felons, increasing tax for the rich. He's my guy!

Biden: I feel like he's corporate and establishment, but he's probably the guy who can beat Trump especially retaking back Pennsylvania.

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#1 Posted by rmpumper (652 posts) -

Creepy Joe will be just another corporate shill. If 'Muricans want that, then sure, he will get the nomination.

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#2 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

Vote Sanders if you want 4 more years of Trump.

Vote for Kamala Harris if you want the person best suited to be a president.

Don't know much about Buttigegegererer, but he seems intelligent, well cultured, level headed, and able to consider all sides and really get to know the ins and outs of a topic before he makes decisions.

Which makes him over qualified to be POTUS

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#3 Posted by Mandzilla (4109 posts) -

Bernie Sanders is the man that will clear up Trump's mess, calling it now.

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#4 Edited by texasgoldrush (12882 posts) -

Ummmmm....look out for Kamala Harris. She is the most complete candidate in the field.

Biden's electability is overrated. Of all the talk of winning "moderate" voters, he turns off millennials, which is fatal in the general election. He is also a terrible campaigner and it really showed when he announced.

Sander's electability is underrated. He actually would be a better general election candidate than a primary one. He also can win the working class white vote, but also millennials. He can actually take right wing attacks well as well. I do not think Biden can. And Biden will have to go through left wing attacks as well.

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#5 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

Sanders is a lost cause.

The best way for democrats to throw away an easy election is to nominate Sanders.

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#6 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

@rmpumper said:

Creepy Joe will be just another corporate shill. If 'Muricans want that, then sure, he will get the nomination.

If that is what the rich people want, then yes that is what they will get.

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#7 Posted by Jacanuk (18606 posts) -

Well, until the first few primaries no one knows who is the front runner because right now people are running on name recognition

But for America I hope if it won´t be Trump it will be Biden, he is the best man for the job

Sanders, Harris and the rest of the running mates are going to wreck the American way of life and open borders are just insane.

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#8 Posted by rhikdavis (26 posts) -

Migina spewed: Sanders: My pick. I love everything about what he says. Medicare for all, free education, voting rights for felons, increasing tax for the rich. He's my guy!

Free? Ain't nothing free. Nothing.

You want to live in a shithole, keep begging for socialism.

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#9 Posted by texasgoldrush (12882 posts) -

@Nuck81 said:

Sanders is a lost cause.

The best way for democrats to throw away an easy election is to nominate Sanders.

Sanders is able to win the white working class vote and the millennial vote, which by not receiving, doomed Clinton.

He is no slouch in a general election situation and I argue Biden may be worse. He would do even worse with millennials than Clinton.

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#10 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: nah

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#11 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@Jacanuk: cool fear mongering.

Trump is for open borders, high crime, rape, murder, extramarital affairs, godlessness, murdering babies, eating dogs, and cheating at golf.

If you want America to survive another three years, don't vote for Trump. A vote for Trump is a vote to erase America from the map.

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#12 Edited by watercrack445 (1660 posts) -

I'm going to go for Sanders. Medicare for All, which is personally indirectly affects me cause my mom has diabetes and cataract which would substantially help. I can get behind the free education and voting rights for felons. What was that phrase "To measure a country, look at their prisoners." or something along those lines. Anyway, I think Bernie Sanders is more reasonably compared to the likes of Elizabeth and Kamala Harris.

The only problem is the economic instability that will happen during the next term which will help fuel the fire for the Republicans.

oh, and also I like the universal income idea.

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#13 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@watercrack445: free shit comes with a price

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#14 Posted by texasgoldrush (12882 posts) -

@watercrack445 said:

I'm going to go for Sanders. Medicare for All, which is personally indirectly affects me cause my mom has diabetes and cataract which would substantially help. I can get behind the free education and voting rights for felons. What was that phrase "To measure a country, look at their prisoners." or something along those lines. Anyway, I think Bernie Sanders is more reasonably compared to the likes of Elizabeth and Kamala Harris.

The only problem is the economic instability that will happen during the next term which will help fuel the fire for the Republicans.

oh, and also I like the universal income idea.

economic instability is already coming with Trump

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#15 Posted by Sevenizz (3904 posts) -

Poll needs a neither option.

Trump 2020!

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#16 Posted by Solaryellow (4942 posts) -

Sanders? He takes pandering to a whole different level and while I can see millennials falling for the "free" nonsense the working man might not be so believing.

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#17 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

Poll needs a neither option.

Trump 2020!

Way to go off topic. Trump will be the Republican pick. This thread isn't about the Republican pick.

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#18 Edited by Serraph105 (33846 posts) -

I uh, I think I'm going for Sanders. The people who say don't vote for the person that will forgive student loan debt are really saying don't vote for the person who will help give you economic freedom while simultaneously voting for the people they believe will lower taxes so they can gain greater economic freedom.

I'm done falling for that bullshit.

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#19 Posted by Serraph105 (33846 posts) -

@Nuck81 said:

@watercrack445: free shit comes with a price

Shit's already pretty expensive man.

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#20 Posted by watercrack445 (1660 posts) -

@Nuck81 said:

@watercrack445: free shit comes with a price

better than Crony Capitalism. I know that doesn't explain much but I think what bernie sanders is doing is better than what I said earlier and partial or full fascism that far-right are trying to do.

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#21 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10767 posts) -

I'm guessing Sanders will get the nomination. He may have momentum and doesn't have 2 tons of baggage with him (queue calling of socialism in the background). Maybe Pete has a good chance.

I figure Biden will probably orient himself with a platform similar to Sander's, but he has a bigger up hill battle fight with everything else. Honestly, I'm impartial to either.

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#22 Posted by waahahah (2462 posts) -

@watercrack445 said:
@Nuck81 said:

@watercrack445: free shit comes with a price

better than Crony Capitalism. I know that doesn't explain much but I think what bernie sanders is doing is better than what I said earlier and partial or full fascism that far-right are trying to do.

You do understand that fascism is state control of industry? The only way you can have an enforceable socialist policies is either through a fascist central planning dictating policy to corporations or communist central planning where the state directly owns industry.

Bernie is a fascist in a technical since. Lets call it democratic fascism.

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#23 Posted by mattbbpl (17208 posts) -

We're in a weird spot where the direction of the party isn't clear yet, and Biden and Sanders both have underestimated liabilities. I don't really like either one particularly well, but such is the curse of Duvergers law. Ultimately, I like Biden better as a person, but I think the party needs to move away from the Clinton/Obama platform. Until Biden clarifies his positions, I'm assuming he's going to track pretty close to it.

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#24 Posted by Migina (56 posts) -

@rhikdavis said:

Migina spewed: Sanders: My pick. I love everything about what he says. Medicare for all, free education, voting rights for felons, increasing tax for the rich. He's my guy!

Free? Ain't nothing free. Nothing.

You want to live in a shithole, keep begging for socialism.

Let me ask you a question, because I'm not American, but have this prejudice 50% of them are downright fun%%#& stupid. Do you know the difference between Marx's version of socialism and a social democracy?

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#25 Posted by blaznwiipspman1 (7205 posts) -

@Nuck81: you right wingers have no credibility. Dems only win with Bernie, there's no other candidate that doesn't split the vote.

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#26 Posted by hrt_rulz01 (18985 posts) -

I'm not an American, but I seriously hope that Bernie does it. Not just for America's sake, but the world.

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#27 Edited by AlexKidd5000 (2953 posts) -

@Nuck81 said:

Vote Sanders if you want 4 more years of Trump.

Vote for Kamala Harris if you want the person best suited to be a president.

Don't know much about Buttigegegererer, but he seems intelligent, well cultured, level headed, and able to consider all sides and really get to know the ins and outs of a topic before he makes decisions.

Which makes him over qualified to be POTUS

LOL your reply made me laugh! Thanks for that!

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#28 Posted by texasgoldrush (12882 posts) -

Warren is going to attack (and already has) Biden hard, as they have bad blood for decades. While the battle will be Sanders vs Biden if Harris doesn't make a move, its Warren that will go after Biden.

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#29 Posted by LJS9502_basic (166590 posts) -

I don't like either of the two...........

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#30 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@watercrack445: Bernie Sanders hasn't ever done anything. He's never sponsored or passed any meaningful legislation in his career.

He's a loss for democrats

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#31 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@blaznwiipspman1: yeah man, us right wingers are turrible...

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#32 Posted by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@mattbbpl: that's because the body and soul of democrats is youth, but the brains and leadership is old fogies.

Gop is United. They are all old fogies.

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#33 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

@mattbbpl said:

We're in a weird spot where the direction of the party isn't clear yet, and Biden and Sanders both have underestimated liabilities. I don't really like either one particularly well, but such is the curse of Duvergers law. Ultimately, I like Biden better as a person, but I think the party needs to move away from the Clinton/Obama platform. Until Biden clarifies his positions, I'm assuming he's going to track pretty close to it.

I think Sanders could bring the biggest change, but guess he is to "radical" for most people.

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#34 Posted by mattbbpl (17208 posts) -

@horgen: I agree with you. And I think the party needs to move towards that type of change. I just wish Bernie wasn't the defacto face of it, which he acquired by virtue of being the only one in that lane last cycle.

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#35 Posted by Horgen (120597 posts) -

@mattbbpl said:

@horgen: I agree with you. And I think the party needs to move towards that type of change. I just wish Bernie wasn't the defacto face of it, which he acquired by virtue of being the only one in that lane last cycle.

He can inspire more young people though, so even if he loses, someone 40 years younger might come along to the 2024 election.

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#36 Edited by ComeOnMan (194 posts) -

The DNC will rig it so Biden wins, just like they rigged it for HRC in 2016.

The DNC knows they will never beat Trump with a candidate that appeals to their hard left socialist base.

When the democrat base threatens to stay home or vote 3rd party, the DNC will tell them they are running the risk of letting that evil, dastardly, nazi-loving, puppy-stomping Trump win.

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#37 Edited by Migina (56 posts) -

@comeonman said:

The DNC will rig it so Biden wins, just like they rigged it for HRC in 2016.

The DNC knows they will never beat Trump with a candidate that appeals to their hard left socialist base.

When the democrat base threatens to stay home or vote 3rd party, the DNC will tell them they are running the risk of letting that evil, dastardly, nazi-loving, puppy-stomping Trump win.

If we learned anything from 2016 is not to try to predict the outcome based on what's the status norm.

Everyone laughed at Trump's right-wing/nationalistic ideology and said he couldn't win, then he surprised.

If Bernie wins the democratic nomination, he didn't do it magically, it's because he was the general democrats pick. And to count him out because he's a social democrat (again, people need to educate themseveles in the difference in socialism), would be repeating histories mistakes.

Polling showed in 2016, Bernie had a higher chance to beat Trump then Clinton. People ignored that, because she was the establishment candidate... that turned out well.

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#38 Edited by Nuck81 (7642 posts) -

@migina: Trump had less votes than mitt Romney.

He won due to Russian interference

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#39 Posted by DoomNukem3D (220 posts) -

Biden is a braindead jackass.

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#40 Edited by ad1x2 (7563 posts) -
@Nuck81 said:

@migina: Trump had less votes than mitt Romney.

He won due to Russian interference

Romney got almost 61 million votes, Trump got almost 63 million. We can try to blame Russia for his win, but until proof comes out that they physically hacked machines to give him extra votes the people that voted for him still made their own decision based on whatever knowledge they already had on all of the candidates running.

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#41 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (45184 posts) -

I will hold off presuming any potential candidate is guaranteed the nominee position, but if I had to choose between the two, I would rather have Biden then Sanders any day.

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#42 Posted by mrbojangles25 (44045 posts) -

Where is the "neither" option?

I am 100% for Pete Buttigieg

  • Mayor, so political experience, but not at the federal level. So a politician but not part of the system
  • Military vet. Military is the only branch of government I really have any respect for these days.
  • 37. Pretty close to my age and, more importantly, not a baby boomer or an old fart like most of the folks in higher office.

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#43 Posted by Migina (56 posts) -

@mrbojangles25 said:

Where is the "neither" option?

I am 100% for Pete Buttigieg

  • Mayor, so political experience, but not at the federal level. So a politician but not part of the system
  • Military vet. Military is the only branch of government I really have any respect for these days.
  • 37. Pretty close to my age and, more importantly, not a baby boomer or an old fart like most of the folks in higher office.

I just wanted a poll between these two, but I really dislike Buttiteig. Great experience and reputation, but a corporate establishment candidate.

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#44 Posted by mattbbpl (17208 posts) -

@migina: Why? What are his policies?

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#45 Edited by mrbojangles25 (44045 posts) -

@migina said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Where is the "neither" option?

I am 100% for Pete Buttigieg

  • Mayor, so political experience, but not at the federal level. So a politician but not part of the system
  • Military vet. Military is the only branch of government I really have any respect for these days.
  • 37. Pretty close to my age and, more importantly, not a baby boomer or an old fart like most of the folks in higher office.

I just wanted a poll between these two, but I really dislike Buttiteig. Great experience and reputation, but a corporate establishment candidate.

The more I read about him, the more I like him.

  • Dad is an immigrant, so there will be some sympathy there
  • Mom was a professor at Notre Dame, so there is some appreciation for intellectuals.
  • Went to Harvard then Oxford
  • Spent three years at a prestigious firm, then got out to do public service. I suspect he did not like what he saw there.
  • Enlisted in the Navy reserves, deployed to Afghanistan. Was part of a counter-terrorist unit that specialized in tracking Taliban finances.
  • Came down hard on his town's police department for illegal wiretapping
  • Supported art and public parks in his town.

This is exactly what this country needs after a do-nothing idiot like Trump. A learned, educated, super-intelligent moderate with reasonable but progressive ideals.

Not sure what you mean by "corporate establishment candidate".

*Looks like he sent back some lobbyist donations to his campaign, saying he will no longer take any money from them.

@mattbbpl said:

@migina: Why? What are his policies?

My only red flag about this guy is exactly that; he doesn't really have any statements yet concerning policies.

But, even when questioned on that very thing, he carries himself very well, as shown in this video.

He makes a good point; by not saying his policies too early, he won't get mired down in the shit too early into the cycle. Smart.

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#46 Posted by Migina (56 posts) -

@mrbojangles25 said:
@migina said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

Where is the "neither" option?

I am 100% for Pete Buttigieg

  • Mayor, so political experience, but not at the federal level. So a politician but not part of the system
  • Military vet. Military is the only branch of government I really have any respect for these days.
  • 37. Pretty close to my age and, more importantly, not a baby boomer or an old fart like most of the folks in higher office.

I just wanted a poll between these two, but I really dislike Buttiteig. Great experience and reputation, but a corporate establishment candidate.

The more I read about him, the more I like him.

  • Dad is an immigrant, so there will be some sympathy there
  • Mom was a professor at Notre Dame, so there is some appreciation for intellectuals.
  • Went to Harvard then Oxford
  • Spent three years at a prestigious firm, then got out to do public service. I suspect he did not like what he saw there.
  • Enlisted in the Navy reserves, deployed to Afghanistan. Was part of a counter-terrorist unit that specialized in tracking Taliban finances.
  • Came down hard on his town's police department for illegal wiretapping
  • Supported art and public parks in his town.

This is exactly what this country needs after a do-nothing idiot like Trump. A learned, educated, super-intelligent moderate with reasonable but progressive ideals.

Not sure what you mean by "corporate establishment candidate".

*Looks like he sent back some lobbyist donations to his campaign, saying he will no longer take any money from them.

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@migina: Why? What are his policies?

My only red flag about this guy is exactly that; he doesn't really have any statements yet concerning policies.

But, even when questioned on that very thing, he carries himself very well, as shown in this video.

He makes a good point; by not saying his policies too early, he won't get mired down in the shit too early into the cycle. Smart.

I don't like him honestly. He's too moderate, when he shouldn't play that game when a lot of republicans aren't even going to vote for him because he's gay. Let's face it and not hide it. When he was asked on CNN about felons voting, his answer was so typical establishment. But then again, this is my opinion because I'm a social democrat. He's not my type.

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#47 Edited by Gaming-Planet (19962 posts) -

Joe Biden a neoliberal and is a creepy pedo.

Sounds like an old, boring guy and talks very slow like he's got some brain disease.

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#48 Posted by mattbbpl (17208 posts) -

@mrbojangles25 said:
@mattbbpl said:

@migina: Why? What are his policies?

My only red flag about this guy is exactly that; he doesn't really have any statements yet concerning policies.

But, even when questioned on that very thing, he carries himself very well, as shown in this video.

He makes a good point; by not saying his policies too early, he won't get mired down in the shit too early into the cycle. Smart.

I like "the way he carries himself" as well, but that carries little weight with me - it mostly just makes him more electable.

I HOPE he's a good candidate. I like what I've seen so far. It's just that we've seen very little, and most of it has been on polish and presentation. I'll have to continue keeping him at arms length until he starts discussing policy. Until then, he has nothing to offer me.

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#49 Edited by texasgoldrush (12882 posts) -

@migina said:
@comeonman said:

The DNC will rig it so Biden wins, just like they rigged it for HRC in 2016.

The DNC knows they will never beat Trump with a candidate that appeals to their hard left socialist base.

When the democrat base threatens to stay home or vote 3rd party, the DNC will tell them they are running the risk of letting that evil, dastardly, nazi-loving, puppy-stomping Trump win.

If we learned anything from 2016 is not to try to predict the outcome based on what's the status norm.

Everyone laughed at Trump's right-wing/nationalistic ideology and said he couldn't win, then he surprised.

If Bernie wins the democratic nomination, he didn't do it magically, it's because he was the general democrats pick. And to count him out because he's a social democrat (again, people need to educate themseveles in the difference in socialism), would be repeating histories mistakes.

Polling showed in 2016, Bernie had a higher chance to beat Trump then Clinton. People ignored that, because she was the establishment candidate... that turned out well.

This

Sanders support with white working class is understated, and Sanders won primaries or beat expectations in states Trump flipped. This is what the idiot DNC doesn't understand. Notice how Sanders won over the room at the Fox News town hall.

If progressives truly want to hurt Biden, they would attack him in a way that effects his so called working class support. His record has moments where he screwed them over and progressives need to take advantage of this. Also a study was done with stressors, Biden's polling strength against Trump vanishes.

Trump beat Clinton because he was more populist than her, end of story. White working class voters flipped and millennial stayed home. History repeats itself with Biden.

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#50 Posted by Migina (56 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@migina said:
@comeonman said:

The DNC will rig it so Biden wins, just like they rigged it for HRC in 2016.

The DNC knows they will never beat Trump with a candidate that appeals to their hard left socialist base.

When the democrat base threatens to stay home or vote 3rd party, the DNC will tell them they are running the risk of letting that evil, dastardly, nazi-loving, puppy-stomping Trump win.

If we learned anything from 2016 is not to try to predict the outcome based on what's the status norm.

Everyone laughed at Trump's right-wing/nationalistic ideology and said he couldn't win, then he surprised.

If Bernie wins the democratic nomination, he didn't do it magically, it's because he was the general democrats pick. And to count him out because he's a social democrat (again, people need to educate themseveles in the difference in socialism), would be repeating histories mistakes.

Polling showed in 2016, Bernie had a higher chance to beat Trump then Clinton. People ignored that, because she was the establishment candidate... that turned out well.

This

Sanders support with white working class is understated, and Sanders won primaries or beat expectations in states Trump flipped. This is what the idiot DNC doesn't understand. Notice how Sanders won over the room at the Fox News town hall.

If progressives truly want to hurt Biden, they would attack him in a way that effects his so called working class support. His record has moments where he screwed them over and progressives need to take advantage of this. Also a study was done with stressors, Biden's polling strength against Trump vanishes.

Trump beat Clinton because he was more populist than her, end of story.

Agree, 100%. I was checking a recent polls, and he's extremely popular with blacks, hispanics, milenails, working class and... yes. Women. He only ties or loses to Biden in the general sense. However, in a general election the biggest question of all is - Who will get people out to vote? Bernies rallies are very similar to Trump, he'll power the base.

Again, is Bernie perfect? No. But he's the hero we need.