Battle for Net Neutrality (UPDATE): Senate votes 52 to 47 in favor of blocking repeal

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Ars Technica

Senate Democrats today filed a long-promised petition to prevent the repeal of net neutrality rules in a move that will force a vote of the full Senate by a deadline of June 12.

The Senate will have to vote on a Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution of disapproval, which would nullify the Federal Communications Commission's December 2017 vote to repeal the nation's net neutrality rules. The CRA was filed in February, and Democrats today filed the discharge petition that will force the full Senate to vote on it.

This is the same mechanism that Congressional Republicans used to eliminate broadband privacy rules last year.

If successful, the Democrats' resolution would prevent the deregulation of the broadband industry and maintain rules that prohibit blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization.

"The CRA resolution would fully restore the rules that ensure Americans aren't subject to higher prices, slower Internet traffic, and even blocked websites because the big Internet service providers want to pump up their profits," Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) said at a press conference today. "By passing this resolution, we can send a clear message that this Congress won't fall to the special interest agenda of President Trump and his broadband baron allies but will rather do right by the people who sent us here."

Democrats have better odds in Senate than House

All 49 members of the Senate Democratic caucus and one Republican—Sen. Susan Collins of Maine—have pledged to support the pro-net neutrality bill. Democrats have been trying to get one more Republican on board because 51 votes would typically be required for a majority. But this bill could pass with 50 votes because of the cancer-related absence of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Politicowrote today.

"There are a number of Republican senators who have shown an openness to potentially voting yes, and I know those Republican senators will take notice of all the constituent calls and emails they will receive today and in the coming days," Markey said.

Online services rallied for the Democratic net neutrality bill today with a "Red Alert" protest that involved "Reddit, Tinder, Mozilla, OK Cupid, GitHub, Tumblr, Etsy, Pornhub, Foursquare, Match.com, and thousands of other sites," according to co-organizer Fight for the Future.

The odds are worse for Democrats in the House. Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.) told Politico that he doesn't think the Democrats' bill will reach the House floor.

"It takes 218 House lawmakers to force a vote via discharge petition, and Republicans have a 236-193 majority—meaning more than a dozen Republicans would have to come on board in addition to every Democrat," Politico wrote.

The House version of the bill has 160 supporters so far, Markey said.

GOP and telecom lobby unite in opposition

Republican lawmakers and telecom lobbyists spoke out against the Democratic bill today. Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) wrote an op-ed for CNBC saying Democrats are trying to preserve "outdated, monopoly-era regulations." (The rules were implemented in 2015 but rely on the FCC's longstanding authority to regulate telecommunications providers as common carriers.)

"If the Democrats are serious about long-term protections for consumers, they should look ahead towards a bipartisan solution, rather than looking backwards and trying to reverse the current FCC's Restoring Internet Freedom Order," Thune wrote.

"Restoring Internet Freedom" is the name FCC Chairman Ajit Pai chose for his order to eliminate net neutrality rules. The FCC vote to repeal net neutrality rules is final, but Pai has delayed the actual implementation of the repeal, perhaps to give Congress time to negotiate a replacement.

Thune wrote that he wants bipartisan legislation "that would permanently ban blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization by broadband Internet providers." Thune's proposal would prevent the FCC from regulating Internet service providers as common carriers, however. That would leave consumers with fewer safeguards against unreasonable price increases and other problems.

The USTelecom industry lobby group complained that current net neutrality rules target ISPs without regulating the likes of Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google. "The hypocrisy of such a reversion is particularly extreme with Big Tech facing serious questions and near daily headlines about its handling of consumer data," USTelecom wrote.

The Senate Democrats' bill is one of several ongoing efforts to preserve net neutrality rules. More than 20 Democratic state attorneys general are suing the FCC to prevent the repeal, and several states have implemented their own net neutrality measures.

Further more, as of my typing of this #NetNeutrality is trending on Twitter again and various activists have gone on "RED ALERT". If the mods will allow me, I want to avi and sig my support for the fight.

UPDATE: Senate votes 52 to 47 to block repeal of Obama era Net Neutrality rules

Source: Fight for the Future (via Medium)

This is huge. The US Senate just voted 52 to 47 to block the FCC’s repeal of net neutrality and restore protections that prevent Internet providers like Comcast and Verizon from controlling what we see and do online with censorship, throttling, and expensive new fees.

This vote is historic. And the fact that three Republican Senators ended up supporting it is a huge deal. Now we need to take the fight to the House of Representatives. Click here to contact your House members!

Lobbyists for big telecom companies are furious about the Senate vote today. They had hoped to use the “crisis” following the FCC repeal to ram through bad legislation that claimed to save net neutrality while permanently undermining it. Instead, we’ve got them playing defense, and you can tell they’re getting nervous.

Here’s the path forward: the Congressional Review Act (CRA) is somewhat of a blunt instrument. It allows our elected officials in Congress to overturn decisions made by federal agencies like the FCC with a simple majority vote in both houses. Assuming the CRA resolution passes the Senate today, we’ll need to immediately take the fight to the House of Representatives.

DC insiders and pundits claim that we’ll never get anywhere in the House. But … those are the same DC insiders that never thought we’d get a Senate vote today. Here’s how we can win:

In the House, we’ll need 218 lawmakers to sign on to a “discharge petition” in order to force a vote past leadership to the floor. That means we’ll need to convince all the Democrats, and about 25 Republicans, to support the CRA. And the clock is ticking — if the CRA resolution doesn’t get a vote this year, it dies when the new Congress comes into session.

Outside of Washington, DC, net neutrality is not a partisan issue. But with the Republicans in power, the big ISPs have been putting all of their eggs into that basket, spreading misinformationthat targets conservatives and trying to turn the net neutrality debate into a political circus. But we’re seeing cracks in that wall. Several Republican Senators have been openly considering voting for the CRA, while one of President Trump’s own high level advisors encouragedhim to support it should it arrive on his desk.

If we can seize the momentum around this Senate vote and mobilize massive pressure on the House, we could see a small landslide of Republican lawmakers who choose to side with their constituents rather than cast a vote against net neutrality just months before the midterms. Either way, we need to harness as much political power as we can coming out of this CRA fight to ensure that we’re negotiating from a place of strength in any future congressional debates on the issue.

We won’t have the benefit of a concrete deadline like we did with the Senate vote, so we’ll need to put tremendous pressure on individual House members, district by district, in order to get them to defy the ISPs and support the effort to restore net neutrality. We’ve seen that pressure from local small businessesis perhaps the single most effective method of influencing Republican lawmakers, so we’ll have to continue doing that, but on an even greater scale.

That means we’re going to need a dedicated corps of volunteers, signal boosters, and people spreading the word over the next few months. We’ll need to organize in-person protests and events, call-in days, canvassing efforts, online actions, and more. We can’t sit back and hope that politicians and big companies save net neutrality. Its future is in our hands.

Okay, I know this email is already getting long, but there’s one more thing I need everyone to understand. Last week, Ajit Pai announced that net neutrality rules will officially end on June 11th, that’s in less than one month. But the fight does not end that day. Not by a long shot.

When the FCC repeal goes into effect on June 11th, “the Internet as we know it” will not suddenly die. Nothing will happen right away. Shills for big telecom companies will immediately start saying “See? The sky didn’t fall, guess we never needed net neutrality in the first place.”

The big ISPs aren’t going to immediately start blocking websites or rolling out harmful paid prioritization scams. Not while Congress and the courts are still deliberating. Not while major states like California and New York are considering legislation. Not while they know the whole Internet is poised to attack as soon as they break the rules.

Even if the ISPs get their way in the end, the Internet’s death will be slow. You probably won’t even notice it happening at first. That’s what makes it so sinister. But over time, there will be less innovative startups, less choice and diversity of opinion online, less creativity, more centralization, less awesome. We’ll also lose one of the most important tools we have for exposing corruption, challenging tyranny, and holding the powerful accountable.

But we’re not going to let that happen. We’ve turned net neutrality into a mainstream issue for the first time ever. And now we’re building a movement to make sure that we protect it for generations to come. The fight ahead is not going to be easy, but victory is within reach.

Contact your members of Congress right now and tell them to support the CRA.

The battle still rages on!

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Hope they vote it back in.

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Good on them for trying, even if it doesn't get through the House.

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@n64dd said:

Hope they vote it back in.

@n64dd said:

Anybody that knows anything in the tech industry knows what a shitstorm net neutrality is.

Get rid of it.

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I'm glad they're doing this, but as long as they don't have the house it seems like a waste of time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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@drlostrib said:
@n64dd said:

Hope they vote it back in.

@n64dd said:

Anybody that knows anything in the tech industry knows what a shitstorm net neutrality is.

Get rid of it.

Those are two different things.

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@n64dd said:
@drlostrib said:
@n64dd said:

Hope they vote it back in.

@n64dd said:

Anybody that knows anything in the tech industry knows what a shitstorm net neutrality is.

Get rid of it.

Those are two different things.

net neutrality and net neutrality?

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@drlostrib said:
@n64dd said:

Hope they vote it back in.

@n64dd said:

Anybody that knows anything in the tech industry knows what a shitstorm net neutrality is.

Get rid of it.

LMAO

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@Serraph105 said:

I'm glad they're doing this, but as long as they don't have the house it seems like a waste of time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

That's pretty... defeatist of you.

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@Serraph105 said:

I'm glad they're doing this, but as long as they don't have the house it seems like a waste of time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

That's pretty... defeatist of you.

Not really, it's more about practicality. I don't want Congress spending a whole lot of time on something that can't happen, it's a poor use of their limited time while in office. I felt the same way when Republicans voted to get rid of Obamacare 50-60 times while Obama was president.

Now admittedly one or two votes wouldn't waste too much time, and who knows multiple refusals to pass it may only help piss liberal voters off and increase the chances of retaking both chambers of congress.

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@Serraph105 said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

That's pretty... defeatist of you.

Not really, it's more about practicality. I don't want Congress spending a whole lot of time on something that can't happen, it's a poor use of their limited time while in office. I felt the same way when Republicans voted to get rid of Obamacare 50-60 times while Obama was president.

Now admittedly one or two votes wouldn't waste too much time, and who knows multiple refusals to pass it may only help piss liberal voters off and increase the chances of retaking both chambers of congress.

We're 6 months from midterms. Nothing will be done in Congress outside of virtue signaling and confirmations.

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@mattbbpl said:
@Serraph105 said:
@nintendoboy16 said:

That's pretty... defeatist of you.

Not really, it's more about practicality. I don't want Congress spending a whole lot of time on something that can't happen, it's a poor use of their limited time while in office. I felt the same way when Republicans voted to get rid of Obamacare 50-60 times while Obama was president.

Now admittedly one or two votes wouldn't waste too much time, and who knows multiple refusals to pass it may only help piss liberal voters off and increase the chances of retaking both chambers of congress.

We're 6 months from midterms. Nothing will be done in Congress outside of virtue signaling and confirmations.

Good point. In that case make all the votes about vitue signalling and delay tons of confirmations. Give tons of momentum to that blue wave.

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@drlostrib said:
@n64dd said:
@drlostrib said:
@n64dd said:

Hope they vote it back in.

@n64dd said:

Anybody that knows anything in the tech industry knows what a shitstorm net neutrality is.

Get rid of it.

Those are two different things.

net neutrality and net neutrality?

You spelled the second one wrong.

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@nintendoboy16 said:

Further more, as of my typing of this #NetNeutrality is trending on Twitter again and various activists have gone on "RED ALERT". If the mods will allow me, I want to avi and sig my support for the fight.

I see nothing wrong with this.

@drlostrib said:
@n64dd said:

Hope they vote it back in.

@n64dd said:

Anybody that knows anything in the tech industry knows what a shitstorm net neutrality is.

Get rid of it.

I am so glad you did this :P

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Whoa, déjà vu.

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I have no idea what net neutrality is despite having it explained to me, but if the GOP and corporate lobbyists are against it, then I am for it.

I generally don't like to vote that way and prefer to be informed, but there it is. Also, Ajit Pai does not seem to know what he is doing.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

I have no idea what net neutrality is despite having it explained to me, but if the GOP and corporate lobbyists are against it, then I am for it.

I generally don't like to vote that way and prefer to be informed, but there it is. Also, Ajit Pai does not seem to know what he is doing.

Oh I think Pai knows exactly what he's doing.

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@Serraph105: He definitely does.

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@horgen: Thanks horgen. Just updated my sig.

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@nintendoboy16: You're welcome.

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@Serraph105 said:
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Serraph105 said:

I'm glad they're doing this, but as long as they don't have the house it seems like a waste of time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

That's pretty... defeatist of you.

Not really, it's more about practicality. I don't want Congress spending a whole lot of time on something that can't happen, it's a poor use of their limited time while in office. I felt the same way when Republicans voted to get rid of Obamacare 50-60 times while Obama was president.

Now admittedly one or two votes wouldn't waste too much time, and who knows multiple refusals to pass it may only help piss liberal voters off and increase the chances of retaking both chambers of congress.

A vote would force my senators and representatives to take an official stance and would go a long way toward whether or not I would be willing to vote for them in the next election.

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I just realized that this vote will take place one day after FCC officially gets rid of Net Neutrality.

https://gizmodo.com/the-fcc-will-terminate-net-neutrality-on-june-11-1825920287

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@Serraph105 said:

I just realized that this vote will take place one day after FCC officially gets rid of Net Neutrality.

https://gizmodo.com/the-fcc-will-terminate-net-neutrality-on-june-11-1825920287

A little late for this vote then?

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@horgen said:
@Serraph105 said:

I just realized that this vote will take place one day after FCC officially gets rid of Net Neutrality.

https://gizmodo.com/the-fcc-will-terminate-net-neutrality-on-june-11-1825920287

A little late for this vote then?

Not yet as long as they force it early.

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@nintendoboy16 said:
@horgen said:
@Serraph105 said:

I just realized that this vote will take place one day after FCC officially gets rid of Net Neutrality.

https://gizmodo.com/the-fcc-will-terminate-net-neutrality-on-june-11-1825920287

A little late for this vote then?

Not yet as long as they force it early.

Also the rules can be changed by Congress at any time so long as they have the votes.

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Here's a debate on the subject, it's actually got Tom Wheeler in it advocating for the motion. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm in the process of doing so.


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I am curious. Will the ending of net neutrality affects European users trying to access content based in US?

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@horgen: I don't believe so no. Since this will give ISPs in the US the power to discriminate against companies that they want it should only effect US networks. As long as ISPs in Europe aren't discriminating then you should be able to see whatever you want. Also as long as you have a VPN you should be able to access any content on the net regardless of your location.

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That's amazing, but it could get you modded. But seriously amazing, I need it on my wall.

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@theone86 said:
@comp_atkins said:

That's amazing, but it could get you modded. But seriously amazing, I need it on my wall.

don't thank me, i'm just a messenger. thank the good folks over at reddit.

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This is one of those issues where there's a clear villain and Kow Pai douche is it. There's no reason to support Comcast and Verizon and it's very telling when people do, usually regurgitating talking points from the companies themselves.

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@horgen: I don't believe so no. Since this will give ISPs in the US the power to discriminate against companies that they want it should only effect US networks. As long as ISPs in Europe aren't discriminating then you should be able to see whatever you want. Also as long as you have a VPN you should be able to access any content on the net regardless of your location.

I mean it shouldn't do so in my eyes. However I was thinking about content before it reaches Europe.

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@comp_atkins said:
@theone86 said:
@comp_atkins said:

That's amazing, but it could get you modded. But seriously amazing, I need it on my wall.

don't thank me, i'm just a messenger. thank the good folks over at reddit.

Yeah. As beautiful as that was. It has to go.

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Ever noticed how little corporate media talks about Net Neutrality compared to, say, Stormy Daniels, Russia and Syria? Seriously this website can fight over every other political issue but when it comes to the freedom of the internet, nobody here seems to give a crap.

@mrbojangles25 said:

I have no idea what net neutrality is despite having it explained to me, but if the GOP and corporate lobbyists are against it, then I am for it.

I generally don't like to vote that way and prefer to be informed, but there it is. Also, Ajit Pai does not seem to know what he is doing.

You do realize that Net Neutrality didn’t exist a few years ago right? Did you notice it then? Before Obama took House, we did not have net neutrality in it's current state but there has always been some form of net neutrality and even with net neutrality companies like Verizon have continuously pushed the limits of what they could get away with, but it wasn't that big of a deal until they got greedy.

To be honest, I didn't even notice any difference at the time and I didn't see anything effecting my usage on the internet.

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During net neutrality, these corporations were given subsidies to improve their infrastructure. What did they do? Complained and continued to be greedy.

The Trump supporters going against net neutrality really have no idea how net neutrality was implemented and why it was implemented.

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@Gaming-Planet said:

During net neutrality, these corporations were given subsidies to improve their infrastructure. What did they do? Complained and continued to be greedy.

The Trump supporters going against net neutrality really have no idea how net neutrality was implemented and why it was implemented.

they have been given subsidies for decades with zero accountability for it..

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@comp_atkins said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

During net neutrality, these corporations were given subsidies to improve their infrastructure. What did they do? Complained and continued to be greedy.

The Trump supporters going against net neutrality really have no idea how net neutrality was implemented and why it was implemented.

they have been given subsidies for decades with zero accountability for it..

Indeed. Some 400 billions if I remember correctly.

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@horgen said:
@comp_atkins said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

During net neutrality, these corporations were given subsidies to improve their infrastructure. What did they do? Complained and continued to be greedy.

The Trump supporters going against net neutrality really have no idea how net neutrality was implemented and why it was implemented.

they have been given subsidies for decades with zero accountability for it..

Indeed. Some 400 billions if I remember correctly.

jesus...

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#41 horgen  Moderator
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@mrbojangles25 said:

I have no idea what net neutrality is despite having it explained to me, but if the GOP and corporate lobbyists are against it, then I am for it.

I generally don't like to vote that way and prefer to be informed, but there it is. Also, Ajit Pai does not seem to know what he is doing.

What about it confuses you?

With Net Neutrality, all data is treated equal. You streaming porn is as important on the data highway as my streaming of a college class to learn.

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#42 mrbojangles25
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@horgen said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

I have no idea what net neutrality is despite having it explained to me, but if the GOP and corporate lobbyists are against it, then I am for it.

I generally don't like to vote that way and prefer to be informed, but there it is. Also, Ajit Pai does not seem to know what he is doing.

What about it confuses you?

With Net Neutrality, all data is treated equal. You streaming porn is as important on the data highway as my streaming of a college class to learn.

No one explained it to me that way before, kind of wish they did haha. They always attach a whole bunch of history and people to it, blah blah blah.

Thank you.

I do find it eery that you managed to mix porn and my favorite genre of porn--college student and professor roleplay--into one sentence. You spying on me?!? :P

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#43 horgen  Moderator
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@mrbojangles25 said:

No one explained it to me that way before, kind of wish they did haha. They always attach a whole bunch of history and people to it, blah blah blah.

Thank you.

I do find it eery that you managed to mix porn and my favorite genre of porn--college student and professor roleplay--into one sentence. You spying on me?!? :P

GS has the tools for moderating, NSA provides additional data. :P

I think one regular argument against Net Neutrality is that an video conference with your doctor(if you can't visit in person) should take priority over watching videos of cats.

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Ever noticed how little corporate media talks about Net Neutrality compared to, say, Stormy Daniels, Russia and Syria? Seriously this website can fight over every other political issue but when it comes to the freedom of the internet, nobody here seems to give a crap.

There are a few reasons for this. One, it's a wonky, technical issue, and the public tends to tune out for those. It is not a ratings getter. Two, Trump and a small band of Republicans seem to be the biggest roadblock to net neutrality right now. You get them out of office, you make NN's chances of getting passed much better. If Trump had not been elected we would not have Ajit Pai, if more Democrats had been elected to the senate his confirmation could have been blocked as well. Most voters, however, are not one-issue voters and will not show out in droves because of net neutrality. They will show out in droves because of non-stop stories about election tampering, legally dubious payoffs, sexual harassment, poor foreign policy, low approval ratings, and constant images of angry, disappointed Americans.

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@theone86 said:

There are a few reasons for this. One, it's a wonky, technical issue, and the public tends to tune out for those. It is not a ratings getter. Two, Trump and a small band of Republicans seem to be the biggest roadblock to net neutrality right now. You get them out of office, you make NN's chances of getting passed much better. If Trump had not been elected we would not have Ajit Pai, if more Democrats had been elected to the senate his confirmation could have been blocked as well. Most voters, however, are not one-issue voters and will not show out in droves because of net neutrality. They will show out in droves because of non-stop stories about election tampering, legally dubious payoffs, sexual harassment, poor foreign policy, low approval ratings, and constant images of angry, disappointed Americans.

You honestly believe that? Your last three points could easily be attributed to Obama, and he was re elected. The fact that the media is running non-stop non-stories that consistently go nowhere makes me think they're only doing Trump a favor. Trump certainly used the media to his advantage to get elected in the first place. What makes you think he wont do it again?

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#46  Edited By PurpleMan5000
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@davillain- said:

Ever noticed how little corporate media talks about Net Neutrality compared to, say, Stormy Daniels, Russia and Syria? Seriously this website can fight over every other political issue but when it comes to the freedom of the internet, nobody here seems to give a crap.

@mrbojangles25 said:

I have no idea what net neutrality is despite having it explained to me, but if the GOP and corporate lobbyists are against it, then I am for it.

I generally don't like to vote that way and prefer to be informed, but there it is. Also, Ajit Pai does not seem to know what he is doing.

You do realize that Net Neutrality didn’t exist a few years ago right? Did you notice it then? Before Obama took House, we did not have net neutrality in it's current state but there has always been some form of net neutrality and even with net neutrality companies like Verizon have continuously pushed the limits of what they could get away with, but it wasn't that big of a deal until they got greedy.

To be honest, I didn't even notice any difference at the time and I didn't see anything effecting my usage on the internet.

The argument that we didn't have net neutrality before Obama makes sense until you realize that we also didn't have widespread use of smart phones before Obama. The internet and how it is used is much different than it was a few years ago.

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#47 theone86
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@vl4d_l3nin said:
@theone86 said:

There are a few reasons for this. One, it's a wonky, technical issue, and the public tends to tune out for those. It is not a ratings getter. Two, Trump and a small band of Republicans seem to be the biggest roadblock to net neutrality right now. You get them out of office, you make NN's chances of getting passed much better. If Trump had not been elected we would not have Ajit Pai, if more Democrats had been elected to the senate his confirmation could have been blocked as well. Most voters, however, are not one-issue voters and will not show out in droves because of net neutrality. They will show out in droves because of non-stop stories about election tampering, legally dubious payoffs, sexual harassment, poor foreign policy, low approval ratings, and constant images of angry, disappointed Americans.

You honestly believe that? Your last three points could easily be attributed to Obama, and he was re elected. The fact that the media is running non-stop non-stories that consistently go nowhere makes me think they're only doing Trump a favor. Trump certainly used the media to his advantage to get elected in the first place. What makes you think he wont do it again?

What points can be attributed to Obama?

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@perfect_blue: Saw it. A small, but needed victory. Going to update the thread.

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#50 Serraph105
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Whoot Whoot!

That said this NN still has little chance of passing the house.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/16/611598361/senate-approves-overturning-fccs-net-neutrality-repeal