As you've aged, have you gotten more liberal or conservative?

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#1 Gaming-Planet
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Or have your principles stayed the same?

I used to be a hardcore leftist... you know, socialism and marxism. That kind of Stuff. An SJW!

When I turned 20, I've become more conservative. I'm not sure if it's because SJW's are pushing people right, or if it's because of the new wave of young conservationism that's influencing me. I can actually tolerate right wingers a lot more than I do with leftists these days. Evangelicalism is dead!

For the most part, my social libertarian principles have stayed the same. When it comes to cultural marxism and socialism, it's just not my thing. Government, don't tread on me.

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#2 mark1974
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A little more conservative but still well to the left. Social conservatism is intolerable to me.

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I've gotten more educated so naturally I became more liberal.

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#4  Edited By br0kenrabbit
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@perfect_blue said:

I've gotten more educated so naturally I became more liberal.

Yup. I'm 41, have lived in the Bible Belt most of my life, and have seen how Christian Conservatism (and religious infatuation in general) is both hypocritical and unproductive.

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#5 RedEyedMonster8
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@br0kenrabbit:

I've definitely become more liberal, but I've also learned to think outside the box.

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#6 nepu7supastar7
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@Gaming-Planet:

More liberal. I'm officially a bleeding hard liberal until Trump leaves.

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#7 nintendoboy16
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I guess I'm going to admit it: liberal.

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#8  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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@mark1974 said:

A little more conservative but still well to the left. Social conservatism is intolerable to me.

Never been a fan of social conservatism or traditionalism.

I'm center-left, but that's mostly because of my economic policies lean dead center. I'm also not for open boarders or mixing cultures in a large influx. I live in California, and cultures here just don't like interacting with each other. We embrace mutli culturalism, but we can't seem to tolerate each other, so we have pocket communities.

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#9 mattbbpl
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I voted predominantly Republican until W's second term. I stopped voting Republican at all in 2009.

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#10 Gaming-Planet
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@mattbbpl said:

I voted predominantly Republican until W's second term. I stopped voting Republican at all in 2009.

I gave up on the two party system after Obama.

No longer voting for a donor's candidate.

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#11 mark1974
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@Gaming-Planet: See I just don't get that. I am fascinated by other cultures and need to live in a city with a wide variety of cultures. I hate being stuck in a place with all the same kind of people and same ideas. It actually causes me to be very depressed. I find people of other cultures to be very friendly nearly every time.

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#12 Gaming-Planet
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@mark1974 said:

@Gaming-Planet: See I just don't get that. I am fascinated by other cultures and need to live in a city with a wide variety of cultures. I hate being stuck in a place with all the same kind of people and same ideas. It actually causes me to be very depressed. I find people of other cultures to be very friendly nearly every time.

Maybe it's just where I live, but here people are rude af.

I'm Hispanic but don't entirely look the part, and I witness Hispanic people talking shit in Spanish to other people behind their backs a lot. The Asians here can sometimes be racist to other minorities as well. I experience this mostly with the older crowd. The younger crowds who have assimilated are quite nicer. They still keep some of their old traditions and share them, like their foods. That I can enjoy.

It could just be toxic people breeding toxic people, but who knows. It varies from city to city, and class plays a part in it as well.

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#13 plageus900
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My family is very conservative, so I grew up believing most of their horseshit. When I turned 19, my social views started to shift towards the left.

I'm 30 now and very socially liberal. I'm still fiscally conservative but I'm not blind to my country's economic issues.

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#14 Bullet_Sponge
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Great line from The Simpsons: "Conservatives only get more conservative. Because every year, they get a little further through Atlas Shrugged."

I've gotten more liberal, or the GOP has just gone weird in the last decade. I can't tell anymore.

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#15 mattbbpl
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@Gaming-Planet: Duvergers Law all but ensures a two party system. And since the Republican party is insane, the choice is clear.

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#16 R3FURBISHED
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More independent and more progressive

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#17 mrbojangles25
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I've gotten what I like to call extremist moderate; both sides piss me off incredibly, and yet I find myself dabbling in both mindsets as well. Not sure if there's a real name for that. Maybe just moderate lol?

But to answer the question, not too many years ago I was a college-know-it-all hippie (this was during the good ol' W. Bush years, ahhhhhh we had a lot to whine about...good times, good times) so I got more conservative since then. But not actually conservative.

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#18 KitCat
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I haven't really changed in my views (I don't feel like), but I have cared more about politics, laws, bills, and other important political things since becoming an adult. I don't think it would have happened like it did if I hadn't moved to Indianapolis for a while and met more open minded people that cared about that stuff for more of a reason than "We're rednecks and we need to vote red." (I'm from southern Indiana). But along with aging and paying closer attention I have become more cynical and while I care I don't want to care anymore.

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#19 judaspete
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@Bullet_Sponge said:

Great line from The Simpsons: "Conservatives only get more conservative. Because every year, they get a little further through Atlas Shrugged."

I've gotten more liberal, or the GOP has just gone weird in the last decade. I can't tell anymore.

That's a good point. I never thought of myself as a liberal until W came in and kept making a series of clearly terrible choices. But really, my stances on issues haven't changed all that much.

I will probably identify as a full on socialist after a few years of Trump.

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#20  Edited By tjandmia
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Having lived through many decades of the conservative trickle down scam on this nation, I've become more liberal. I've watch the middle class and poor call further behind as the Republicans promised that getting rid of unions would empower companies, allowing them to pay more, yet wages drop and companies abandon jobs that unions once protected. I've watched as Republicans promised that cutting taxes on the wealthy would supercharge the economy and create millions of jobs, while in reality it dies the exact opposite. Nope. This whole small government nonsense is a scam to unburden the wealthy from regulation and taxation, using the ideas of patriotism and self reliance against you.

If conservatism was the answer to our problems their States wouldn't be the poorest, most violent, least educated, most unhealthy, and most dependent on the very government they claim to hate.

Conservatism is a giant circle jerk and you're the target. NO THANK YOU.

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#21 mattbbpl
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@mrbojangles25 said:

I've gotten what I like to call extremist moderate; both sides piss me off incredibly, and yet I find myself dabbling in both mindsets as well. Not sure if there's a real name for that. Maybe just moderate lol?

I think that's just natural due to how our system works. The parties form "big tents" to gain majorities via intraparty coalitions, and you're never going to fully agree with all the factions of your party.

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#22  Edited By HoolaHoopMan
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Liberal I guess, overall at least. Social conservatism will always be a horrid path to take, however my views on socioeconomics has yo-yo-ed much more. I've become much more averse to social conservative view points since it's become more and more apparent that there is nothing supporting their standard view points apart from stone age religious beliefs and archaic societal constructs.

Edit: And to add, there is very little in the way supporting the core components of 'conservative socioeconomics' when it comes to US politics. It generally helps to have a barometer or bench mark prior to labeling stances as left/right. I don't support policies set forth by the GOP simply because they don't stand up to scrutiny, just as the extreme far left policies don't either (in regards to wider global and historical context).

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I used to be way on the left when I was in high school and early years of university. An SJW as well. As I continued throughout my academic career and traveled the world I have become more center-left than anything. I'm definitely arguing more with people who are on the far left. I haven't really come across that many right wingers until I moved to Australia.

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#24  Edited By KHAndAnime
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More conservative. If I had to take a stab at it, I'd guess most people become more varying degrees of conservative as they get older. Liberalism is mostly associated with college kids (and younger) who haven't really experienced the world yet. Not to say that's true for all but it is a common stereotype that does have some statistical truth to it. A nice dose of responsibility and reality is as much of a "redpill" anyone needs.

Honestly, when I didn't think of politics much, I'd consider myself "apolitical", but if you plotted down all of my viewpoints on issues that determine that sort of thing, I'd be extremely far left. I'm guessing that's the case for a lot of people here. Tons of people who don't think that much about politics or consider themselves politically aligned are mostly what I'd call now as "leftists".

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#25 darklight4
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Used to be liberal in my teens and early adulthood then they went insane withe sjw/feminist crap add the anti white racists and blm I have definitely shifted to more of a middle ground. Infact I'm so pissed off with recent events I may vote UKIP their manifesto sounds quite reasonable especially the part about getting rid of tuition fees for STEM subjects, less gender studies more of that.

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#26 mattbbpl
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@KHAndAnime said:

More conservative. If I had to take a stab at it, I'd guess most people become more varying degrees of conservative as they get older. Liberalism is mostly associated with college kids (and younger) who haven't really experienced the world yet. Not to say that's true for all but it is a common stereotype that does have some statistical truth to it. A nice dose of responsibility and reality is as much of a "redpill" anyone needs.

Counterintuitively, research indicates that generations become "imprinted" in their young adulthood and change party very little over the course of their lives.

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#27 superbuuman
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In the middle but leaning towards conservative. I am seeing what too much liberalism is doing & I dont like it. Countries are losing its identity due to liberalism..migrated to France you learn to speak French..not freaking Mandarin. -_-

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I've always been extremely far to the left on social issues. Leftism is the only reasonable and sensible position to have on social issues. I fully support all scientific endeavour to improve the human condition, and want human beings to coexist peacefully on equal terms with one another, with equal opportunity (except without the special treatment for "visible minorities").

Fiscally, I've moved further to the right, past centre over the past couple years. I favour fiscal responsibility, not necessarily fiscal conservatism, but I would rather see a government run a surplus than run a deficit in all situations. I want governments to slash the bureaucratic fat that permeates all levels of Canadian government (civil, provincial and federal), but there is no party in Canada that shares my two positions.

They either support social liberalism and spending more money than we have available (Liberal/NDP) or they support social conservatism (read: backwards, ignorant beliefs) and spending more money than we have available ("Progressive" Conservative; an oxymoron) or are just completely bat-shit crazy while backing up their views with good intentions (Green).

In general parlance, most people would label me a libertarian, but I refuse to accept that label, since I think Ayn Rand is a kook, I am in support of social services and safety nets and think that people who work hard deserve a liveable wage (the key here is working hard).

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#29  Edited By Maroxad
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In my teens I was nationalistic. Later on, I supported GamerGate. Now I renounce both positions. GamerGate is a cult, and nationalism doesnt work all that well with capitalism. So on social issues, definately more liberal.

On the economic side, I have moved more to the right. Favoring fiscial conservativism. Gun rights too. But not to the point of being a fiscial libertarian. The government can be a useful tool.

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More liberal especially on social issues. The internet kinda accelerated this.

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#31 PurpleMan5000
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More liberal. I used to vote republican for fiscal reasons, but since they can't seem to balance a budget to save their lives either, I'll just vote for the people who support gay rights, investment in infrastructure, better drug enforcement policy, etc. Every cut to spending the republicans make ends up being redirected to the defense budget. Also, the republican stance on immigration flies in the face of the free market they claim to support. There clearly is unmet demand for labor in the US and we should be working to issue more work visas to meet demand. Demanding people wait in some nonexistent line while employers can't find labor to grow their business is counter-productive.

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#32 ArchoNils2
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@perfect_blue said:

I've gotten more educated so naturally I became more liberal.

Same here

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#33 DaBrainz
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In my teens my hatred for Al Gore and his wife turned me conservative. In my 20s my hatred for Bush and the Patriot act and wars turned me libertarian. I tend to hate liberals more because I live in southeast Michigan were 100% of the politicians are Democrats and 90% are corrupt. Yes I made these numbers up.

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#34 comp_atkins
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i was pretty conservative growing up because my parents were hc republicans. once i started thinking for myself i naturally drifted left

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#35 Ross_the_Boss6
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@perfect_blue: Came here to say that

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#36 Serraph105
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I've become more liberal. Like most people I started thinking about politics in early high school a little bit, but nothing too in depth. I started paying attention fairly regularly probably around late 2007 or early 2008 and I felt both sides had fairly decent points on various things, and it was right around that time things starting going to hell economically for the country. Things were kind of already going terrible on a foreign relations front what with the wars in the middle east, and then suddenly people started losing their jobs en-mass, and people decided it was time for the democrats to take over for a while because it was republicans who were in charge that led us to the situation we were currently in. That's all well in good because you don't keep doing the same things that weren't working before.

And then I watched something happen that I didn't really think possible. Instead of coming together and putting partisanship aside for the good of the country, republicans in congress embraced partisanship in an effort to seize power over the course of the next eight years regardless of how it affected the citizens. They constantly brought the government to the brink of shutting down (and past the brink at one point), utilized the filibuster for everything including things they agreed with, and all the while blamed Obama for their own actions while claiming that they were honest Christians trying to save the country from an illegitimate president born in Kenya. In essence, Republicans did everything could to look either like lying sacks or shit or just straight up crazy for eight years while Democrats tried to clean up the mess that America was in. Oddly I found it far more difficult to reward that behavior as the years went by.

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#37 Serraph105
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@kitcat said:

I haven't really changed in my views (I don't feel like), but I have cared more about politics, laws, bills, and other important political things since becoming an adult. I don't think it would have happened like it did if I hadn't moved to Indianapolis for a while and met more open minded people that cared about that stuff for more of a reason than "We're rednecks and we need to vote red." (I'm from southern Indiana). But along with aging and paying closer attention I have become more cynical and while I care I don't want to care anymore.

Holy hell, someone else on this forum from southern Indiana. I've been on here since 2007 and I never thought I would see the day.

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#38 Serraph105
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@superbuuman said:

In the middle but leaning towards conservative. I am seeing what too much liberalism is doing & I dont like it. Countries are losing its identity due to liberalism..migrated to France you learn to speak French..not freaking Mandarin. -_-

Anytime you learn to speak a new language you suddenly find yourself with the ability to communicate with millions of new people.

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#39  Edited By KitCat
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@Serraph105: Hey! A fellow Hoosier, nice to meet you! lol I am surprised I didn't join this forum years ago. I'm glad I could shake things up for you a little. haha

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#40 N64DD
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@super600 said:

More liberal especially on social issues. The internet kinda accelerated this.

I think most people that evolve go more towards the center. There are good things on both sides.

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#41 Chutebox
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Nah, I've always been the same. Socially conservative and fiscally I'm in between.

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#42 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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More liberal. As you meet people of different backgrounds you realise the overly simplistic world view the conservatives have just isn't practical.

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#43 DaVillain  Moderator
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@R3FURBISHED said:

More independent and more progressive

Same for me.

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#44  Edited By jv303
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I've gotten better about challenging my assumptions and the common arguments you see from the left and the right.

I would say that, when it comes to actual policy, I've become more progressive... but in more "ground level" issues - stuff like the culture wars, the campus free speech stuff, etc., I'm more conservative.

I can think, simultaneously, that single-payer healthcare is good AND white people aren't the problems with everything.

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I never voted. With Bush I said yay Bush my parents got child tax credits. Obama became president yay I'm covered by my parents health insurance. Trump is now president please fix health care I'm going to be 26 years old soon.

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#46 superbuuman
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@Serraph105: nah you migrate to a new country you learn that country's main language...not the other way round.

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#47 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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The more education I've received and the more money i make the more liberal I've become.

Obama second term was the first time i voted for a democratic president.

I voted McCain is 2008

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#48 Drunk_PI
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I used to be very libertarian and a part of the Republican Party.

For libertarianism, what changed was that I started to understand that private businesses and privatization itself doesn't necessarily lead to success or that it can create a disconnect between those who have it all verses those who don't. In the end, I accepted that government is a necessary function in society but only if it serves the interest of its people as demonstrated in Western Europe and how U.S. States invest in themselves or not at all. Oddly enough, I never read Ayn Rand's books but I've always watched Stossel or Penn and Teller.

As for the Republican Party, I campaigned for a republican candidate and hated every minute of it. I felt conflicted since that although I would agree with her stances on economic issues at the time, I could never abide to her more conservative viewpoints on social issues. In fact, I began to question why a libertarian would join the Republican Party since they don't abide to the same principles on social and, most of the times, economic issues. But it did show me that the people who I was working with had varying opinions and viewpoints on certain issues. Made me realize that it wasn't black-and-white but rather that Republicans and Democrats can hold different viewpoints outside the norms of their party, dictated by their philosophy in life, even if it is flawed.

I consider myself a liberal now.

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#50  Edited By Erebus
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Nothing has really changed for me, I have just developed a more in-depth understanding of my views. It's a rare day in my life where I learn something that completely upends my world view..

I am a centrist.

Right on immigration, gun ownership, and small business regulations.
Left on health care, social programs, and the taxes to pay for them.