AOC isn't dumb, but most of her detractors are

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#101 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (45151 posts) -

AOC reminds me of a young millennial who spent her days enveloped around social media. Grand ideas on identity politics, idealistic mantra, and entitlements with no backbone to carry them on, nor any scope of reality on finding common ground/compromise. She's a product of divisive appeal ... something that which both parties sought representatives on the far sides of their base.

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#102 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

AOC reminds me of a young millennial who spent her days enveloped around social media. Grand ideas on identity politics, idealistic mantra, and entitlements with no backbone to carry them on, nor any scope of reality on finding common ground/compromise. She's a product of divisive appeal ... something that which both parties sought representatives on the far sides of their base.

But really, she isn't.

Her life experience shaped her political views, not social media. She has plenty of backbone to carry on her ideas. And she has been pretty pragmatic in Congress as well.

She was actually a product of politicians of her own party failing her community, not divisive appeal. Her first real opponent was an extremely powerful Democrat.

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#103 Posted by Solaryellow (4836 posts) -

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

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#104 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@Solaryellow said:

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

Don´t forget that she was running against an old rich white guy if she didn´t win it would have been a clear sign of election rigging.

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#105 Posted by Solaryellow (4836 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@Solaryellow said:

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

Don´t forget that she was running against an old rich white guy if she didn´t win it would have been a clear sign of election rigging.

Identity politics. Rich, white men are bad.

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#106 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Solaryellow said:

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

Don´t forget that she was running against an old rich white guy if she didn´t win it would have been a clear sign of election rigging.

Identity politics. Rich, white men are bad.

Yup, but the left is now taking it much further now even people who are on the left can lose their rights to call themselves belonging to certain groups if their politics does not match the far-left.

It´s crazy how far some will take this whole identity politics.

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#107 Edited by vl4d_l3nin (1821 posts) -

"While there are people who have a large number of Twitter followers, what's important is that we have large numbers of votes on the floor of the House." - Nancy Pelosi

Both majority leaders have become bigger trolls then the president.

EDIT: AOC is now going to war with her own party's congressional campaign committee. Totally not dumb.

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#108 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@vl4d_l3nin said:

"While there are people who have a large number of Twitter followers, what's important is that we have large numbers of votes on the floor of the House." - Nancy Pelosi

Both majority leaders have become bigger trolls then the president.

EDIT: AOC is now going to war with her own party's congressional campaign committee. Totally not dumb.

AOC only has one thing she is concerned with and that is making enough of a splash so she can get re-elected in 2020, that salary and benefits is all she cares about.

So she is doing the right thing, making headlines since there is no chance in anything she would ever get enough support behind any of her crazy plans.

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#109 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@vl4d_l3nin said:

"While there are people who have a large number of Twitter followers, what's important is that we have large numbers of votes on the floor of the House." - Nancy Pelosi

Both majority leaders have become bigger trolls then the president.

EDIT: AOC is now going to war with her own party's congressional campaign committee. Totally not dumb.

Yes, its not dumb (and yeah, i know you are being sarcastic). Its actually a battle she can win, and she picks her battles well. What the DCCC is doing is highly undemocratic. And its not just her opposed, but many Democrats. We have a right to primary incumbents out of districts if they are failing them.

And Pelosi really shouldn't be talking. In fact, if Sanders, Warren, or Harris becomes president, Pelosi may have to cave to AOC, as they back her positions.

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#110 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (1821 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: Have fun with that idea. Her five page proposal can't get a single vote in the Senate, because..we need to hold hearings and committees on a five page bill? That makes no sense. Hearings and committees are where bills go to die in this country. Dems just don't want to sow division by saying what they believe, which is "no", except for the ones who did.

She really should be listening to Pelosi because there was once a time when Pelosi was considered a radical, just like her. When Pelosi wanted a several thousand page bill passed, she just told Congress to pass it without reading it, and they did.

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#111 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Solaryellow said:

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

Don´t forget that she was running against an old rich white guy if she didn´t win it would have been a clear sign of election rigging.

Identity politics. Rich, white men are bad.

This rich, white man was Joe Crowley who was basically the power broker of New York, was run by lobbyists, aided powerful financial interests, and after AOC annihilated him, he became a lobbyist himself, proving AOC right all along. Joe Crowley could have been Speaker of the House as well. AOC ended that.

Joe Crowley was a scumbag who used his position and his association with the establishment for political and personal power. It has nothing to do with being white or even rich.

She is now the most powerful and the most popular politician (51-34 approval in NYC according to Qunnipec) in New York City, and has wrecked the political establishment, built over decades, in months.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-new-york-226578

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#112 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@vl4d_l3nin said:

@texasgoldrush: Have fun with that idea. Her five page proposal can't get a single vote in the Senate, because..we need to hold hearings and committees on a five page bill? That makes no sense. Hearings and committees are where bills go to die in this country. Dems just don't want to sow division by saying what they believe, which is "no", except for the ones who did.

She really should be listening to Pelosi because there was once a time when Pelosi was considered a radical, just like her. When Pelosi wanted a several thousand page bill passed, she just told Congress to pass it without reading it, and they did.

Except EVERY Presidential candidate in the Senate, including moderates like Klobuchar and Booker, support the Green New Deal. Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand have made it part of the platform.

Pelosi also lost 60 seats in the House in 2010, so your point? And really, Pelosi (and the establishment) has been defeated by AOC before with the motion to rebuke Ilhan Omar (to condemn just antisemitism, from her supposed "antisemitic" remarks about AIPAC) being changed into a condemnation of all discrimination. And really, history smiled on that decision with the mosque shooting in New Zealand later.

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#113 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@texasgoldrush said:
@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Solaryellow said:

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

Don´t forget that she was running against an old rich white guy if she didn´t win it would have been a clear sign of election rigging.

Identity politics. Rich, white men are bad.

This rich, white man was Joe Crowley who was basically the power broker of New York, was run by lobbyists, aided powerful financial interests, and after AOC annihilated him, he became a lobbyist himself, proving AOC right all along. Joe Crowley could have been Speaker of the House as well. AOC ended that.

Joe Crowley was a scumbag who used his position and his association with the establishment for political and personal power. It has nothing to do with being white or even rich.

She is now the most powerful and the most popular politician (51-34 approval in NYC according to Qunnipec) in New York City, and has wrecked the political establishment, built over decades, in months.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-new-york-226578

Most powerful and popular politician? I don´t know what actually made you think that, other than perhaps a wish to just take the contrary position to people on this board. But could you back it up with actual credible evidence like laws that have been passed because of her or what positions she has in Congress that makes her able to enact or do anything other than be a subject for left and right´s media "no news cycle"

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#114 Posted by vl4d_l3nin (1821 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: Passing by far the most sweeping healthcare legislation in the history of the country, a 20,000 page bill that nobody read, was probably the most deft congressional politics of the 21st century. Besides, she was playing defense for a democratic president. Pelosi also embarrassed Trump pretty badly on the whole issue with the wall.

Meanwhile, AOC gets "support" from candidates that are not willing to vote on it. Until they vote on what they say, I'm calling BS.

Congress voting to condemn bigotry? That means and does nothing compared to what Pelosi has done, even in the same timeframe.

I'm not denying the power AOC has. She's probably the most powerful junior congressperson that has ever existed, but it's really not enough. She's going against a united Republican party and a Democratic establishment. If she wants to continue this war with Pelosi, the Democratic majority is doomed as a do-nothing congress.

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#115 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@vl4d_l3nin: Yes, Pelosi did embarrass Trump, but she isn't without her failures and faults. Second, AOC told the Senate Dems to vote "present" on the Green New Deal cloture, and Merkley, who sponsored it in the Senate did so as well. This his her once again, being pragmatic. It was Mitch McConnell's effort to divide the caucus. It was pure strategy, plain and simple.

Next, once again, the election of either Sanders, Harris, or Warren would put Pelosi in a tougher spot against AOC and her allies. This cannot be denied. Yes, Pelosi is more powerful now, and AOC has pragmatical backed off in a couple of ways (on impeachment for the most part, and going against Obamacare while Trump is attacking it is another) aligning with Pelosi, but make no mistake, AOC is still able to go against her on battles she can win, and in 2020, things can go further in her direction. And really, the primary win by AOC was a defeat for Pelosi. She was stunned by it and struggled to explain it.

And congress is already do-nothing (outside committees) with split houses. The Dems do not have a majority in the Senate.

@Jacanuk:I just posted her poll numbers. Second, just because a legislator hasn't passed laws doesn't mean he or she isn't powerful. They can run committees, whip, fundraise, etc. Its AOC's social influence that gives her the power, and her small donor fundraise effort for other members was a big success.. And with the article I posted, she has been seen as extremely powerful in New York right now.

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#116 Posted by Solaryellow (4836 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@Solaryellow said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Solaryellow said:

A hispanic woman, offering free, free, and more free, wins in a primarily hispanic district (over 9% unemployment, 75% high school grad rate, etc..,) and you are shocked?

Don´t forget that she was running against an old rich white guy if she didn´t win it would have been a clear sign of election rigging.

Identity politics. Rich, white men are bad.

This rich, white man was Joe Crowley who was basically the power broker of New York, was run by lobbyists, aided powerful financial interests, and after AOC annihilated him, he became a lobbyist himself, proving AOC right all along. Joe Crowley could have been Speaker of the House as well. AOC ended that.

Joe Crowley was a scumbag who used his position and his association with the establishment for political and personal power. It has nothing to do with being white or even rich.

She is now the most powerful and the most popular politician (51-34 approval in NYC according to Qunnipec) in New York City, and has wrecked the political establishment, built over decades, in months.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-new-york-226578

1.) If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hops. Joe "could" have been a speaker but wasn't.

2.) IDK about the most popular but I'd say she isn't the most powerful NYC politician unless Schumer, Trump, de Blasio and a few others aren't being counted.

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#117 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Solaryellow: 1) And AOC had a hand in doing it.

2) de Blasio has had his power diminished and he is not a very popular mayor. I do not count Schumer or Trump as their jobs are not based in NYC. I am counting local and local-national jobs only.

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#118 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@texasgoldrush said:

@vl4d_l3nin: Yes, Pelosi did embarrass Trump, but she isn't without her failures and faults. Second, AOC told the Senate Dems to vote "present" on the Green New Deal cloture, and Merkley, who sponsored it in the Senate did so as well. This his her once again, being pragmatic. It was Mitch McConnell's effort to divide the caucus. It was pure strategy, plain and simple.

Next, once again, the election of either Sanders, Harris, or Warren would put Pelosi in a tougher spot against AOC and her allies. This cannot be denied. Yes, Pelosi is more powerful now, and AOC has pragmatical backed off in a couple of ways (on impeachment for the most part, and going against Obamacare while Trump is attacking it is another) aligning with Pelosi, but make no mistake, AOC is still able to go against her on battles she can win, and in 2020, things can go further in her direction. And really, the primary win by AOC was a defeat for Pelosi. She was stunned by it and struggled to explain it.

And congress is already do-nothing (outside committees) with split houses. The Dems do not have a majority in the Senate.

@Jacanuk:I just posted her poll numbers. Second, just because a legislator hasn't passed laws doesn't mean he or she isn't powerful. They can run committees, whip, fundraise, etc. Its AOC's social influence that gives her the power, and her small donor fundraise effort for other members was a big success.. And with the article I posted, she has been seen as extremely powerful in New York right now.

Poll numbers mean nothing, and power is not being popular among the ultra-far-leftists. To be powerful you either need to have actual legislation passed or sit on some of the more powerful committees and AOC doesn´t do either of those things.

And being popular in her district means nothing else than she is able to get re-elected again and can cash in her congresspaycheck instead of being a low paid waiter, she can´t run for mayor or run for any other position because she does not have any sway with the moderates.

But I get you are a massive fan of her and that is your right but don´t think your fandom is equal to being popular or powerful.

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#119 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@vl4d_l3nin: Yes, Pelosi did embarrass Trump, but she isn't without her failures and faults. Second, AOC told the Senate Dems to vote "present" on the Green New Deal cloture, and Merkley, who sponsored it in the Senate did so as well. This his her once again, being pragmatic. It was Mitch McConnell's effort to divide the caucus. It was pure strategy, plain and simple.

Next, once again, the election of either Sanders, Harris, or Warren would put Pelosi in a tougher spot against AOC and her allies. This cannot be denied. Yes, Pelosi is more powerful now, and AOC has pragmatical backed off in a couple of ways (on impeachment for the most part, and going against Obamacare while Trump is attacking it is another) aligning with Pelosi, but make no mistake, AOC is still able to go against her on battles she can win, and in 2020, things can go further in her direction. And really, the primary win by AOC was a defeat for Pelosi. She was stunned by it and struggled to explain it.

And congress is already do-nothing (outside committees) with split houses. The Dems do not have a majority in the Senate.

@Jacanuk:I just posted her poll numbers. Second, just because a legislator hasn't passed laws doesn't mean he or she isn't powerful. They can run committees, whip, fundraise, etc. Its AOC's social influence that gives her the power, and her small donor fundraise effort for other members was a big success.. And with the article I posted, she has been seen as extremely powerful in New York right now.

Poll numbers mean nothing, and power is not being popular among the ultra-far-leftists. To be powerful you either need to have actual legislation passed or sit on some of the more powerful committees and AOC doesn´t do either of those things.

And being popular in her district means nothing else than she is able to get re-elected again and can cash in her congresspaycheck instead of being a low paid waiter, she can´t run for mayor or run for any other position because she does not have any sway with the moderates.

But I get you are a massive fan of her and that is your right but don´t think your fandom is equal to being popular or powerful.

Ummmmm.....AOC sits on the Finance Services Committee and the Oversight Committee, both incredibly powerful committees. Please learn your facts before you post. And really, AOC has been a lights out performer on Committees, which fuel her popularity. And with the Trump administration, Oversight may be the most powerful committee in the House, other than Ways and Means. They will get the big interrogations of Trump officials.

AOC would be able to win the mayor race if she ran, she is not just popular in her district, but citywide. Once again, she has a 51 to 34% approval rating in the entire city, not just NY-14. Other politicians are lower, including the current mayor. However, she won't make the attempt because she is focused more on big picture national issues and she would actually be less powerful than right now as Mayor.

And just because you don't like her doesn't make you right to underestimate her power, intelligence, and political skills. She has dealt with those throughout her short career that do.

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#120 Posted by Maroxad (15252 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@vl4d_l3nin: Yes, Pelosi did embarrass Trump, but she isn't without her failures and faults. Second, AOC told the Senate Dems to vote "present" on the Green New Deal cloture, and Merkley, who sponsored it in the Senate did so as well. This his her once again, being pragmatic. It was Mitch McConnell's effort to divide the caucus. It was pure strategy, plain and simple.

Next, once again, the election of either Sanders, Harris, or Warren would put Pelosi in a tougher spot against AOC and her allies. This cannot be denied. Yes, Pelosi is more powerful now, and AOC has pragmatical backed off in a couple of ways (on impeachment for the most part, and going against Obamacare while Trump is attacking it is another) aligning with Pelosi, but make no mistake, AOC is still able to go against her on battles she can win, and in 2020, things can go further in her direction. And really, the primary win by AOC was a defeat for Pelosi. She was stunned by it and struggled to explain it.

And congress is already do-nothing (outside committees) with split houses. The Dems do not have a majority in the Senate.

@Jacanuk:I just posted her poll numbers. Second, just because a legislator hasn't passed laws doesn't mean he or she isn't powerful. They can run committees, whip, fundraise, etc. Its AOC's social influence that gives her the power, and her small donor fundraise effort for other members was a big success.. And with the article I posted, she has been seen as extremely powerful in New York right now.

Poll numbers mean nothing, and power is not being popular among the ultra-far-leftists. To be powerful you either need to have actual legislation passed or sit on some of the more powerful committees and AOC doesn´t do either of those things.

And being popular in her district means nothing else than she is able to get re-elected again and can cash in her congresspaycheck instead of being a low paid waiter, she can´t run for mayor or run for any other position because she does not have any sway with the moderates.

But I get you are a massive fan of her and that is your right but don´t think your fandom is equal to being popular or powerful.

She isnt just popular in her own district. She is also the most followed Congressperson by far, with 3 million followers on twitter. This may not necessarily be because everyone who follows her supports her. Some most likely only do it for what they see as comedy.

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#121 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Maroxad: To add, she is so popular that she has to confidentially schedule to meet with people in her district so that crowds do not show up. She cannot act like a normal congressperson that the vast majority of the rest are. Its not just Twitter.

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#122 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

Siena NY-14 poll

AOC's numbers are 52% approve 33% disapprove, despite majority opposing her stance on Amazon. So, really, Amazon didn't hurt her at all.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Another right wing talking point killed.

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#123 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@Maroxad said:
@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@vl4d_l3nin: Yes, Pelosi did embarrass Trump, but she isn't without her failures and faults. Second, AOC told the Senate Dems to vote "present" on the Green New Deal cloture, and Merkley, who sponsored it in the Senate did so as well. This his her once again, being pragmatic. It was Mitch McConnell's effort to divide the caucus. It was pure strategy, plain and simple.

Next, once again, the election of either Sanders, Harris, or Warren would put Pelosi in a tougher spot against AOC and her allies. This cannot be denied. Yes, Pelosi is more powerful now, and AOC has pragmatical backed off in a couple of ways (on impeachment for the most part, and going against Obamacare while Trump is attacking it is another) aligning with Pelosi, but make no mistake, AOC is still able to go against her on battles she can win, and in 2020, things can go further in her direction. And really, the primary win by AOC was a defeat for Pelosi. She was stunned by it and struggled to explain it.

And congress is already do-nothing (outside committees) with split houses. The Dems do not have a majority in the Senate.

@Jacanuk:I just posted her poll numbers. Second, just because a legislator hasn't passed laws doesn't mean he or she isn't powerful. They can run committees, whip, fundraise, etc. Its AOC's social influence that gives her the power, and her small donor fundraise effort for other members was a big success.. And with the article I posted, she has been seen as extremely powerful in New York right now.

Poll numbers mean nothing, and power is not being popular among the ultra-far-leftists. To be powerful you either need to have actual legislation passed or sit on some of the more powerful committees and AOC doesn´t do either of those things.

And being popular in her district means nothing else than she is able to get re-elected again and can cash in her congresspaycheck instead of being a low paid waiter, she can´t run for mayor or run for any other position because she does not have any sway with the moderates.

But I get you are a massive fan of her and that is your right but don´t think your fandom is equal to being popular or powerful.

She isnt just popular in her own district. She is also the most followed Congressperson by far, with 3 million followers on twitter. This may not necessarily be because everyone who follows her supports her. Some most likely only do it for what they see as comedy.

Which means nothing considering there are 7+ billion people in the world.

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#124 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Jacanuk: You have missed the point entirely

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#125 Posted by Jacanuk (18450 posts) -
@texasgoldrush said:

@Jacanuk: You have missed the point entirely

LOL sure mate

I hope though you don´t actually believe the things you post.

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#126 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@Jacanuk: You have missed the point entirely

LOL sure mate

I hope though you don´t actually believe the things you post.

Ummm...but you did, and it shows. So, what does 7 billion people in th eowrld have to do with her popularity has a congresswoman? Absolutely nothing. You are not seeing reality here.

And by all means, keep underestimating her just like the rest of the right wing, she will keep winning.

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#127 Edited by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

Siena NY-14 poll

AOC's numbers are 52% approve 33% disapprove, despite majority opposing her stance on Amazon. So, really, Amazon didn't hurt her at all.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Another right wing talking point killed.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/28/18285533/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-favorables-media

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/19/aoc-approval-rating-falls-after-amazon-deal-collapse-as-trump-hammers-democrats-over-socialism.html

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#128 Posted by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@Jacanuk said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@vl4d_l3nin: Yes, Pelosi did embarrass Trump, but she isn't without her failures and faults. Second, AOC told the Senate Dems to vote "present" on the Green New Deal cloture, and Merkley, who sponsored it in the Senate did so as well. This his her once again, being pragmatic. It was Mitch McConnell's effort to divide the caucus. It was pure strategy, plain and simple.

Next, once again, the election of either Sanders, Harris, or Warren would put Pelosi in a tougher spot against AOC and her allies. This cannot be denied. Yes, Pelosi is more powerful now, and AOC has pragmatical backed off in a couple of ways (on impeachment for the most part, and going against Obamacare while Trump is attacking it is another) aligning with Pelosi, but make no mistake, AOC is still able to go against her on battles she can win, and in 2020, things can go further in her direction. And really, the primary win by AOC was a defeat for Pelosi. She was stunned by it and struggled to explain it.

And congress is already do-nothing (outside committees) with split houses. The Dems do not have a majority in the Senate.

@Jacanuk:I just posted her poll numbers. Second, just because a legislator hasn't passed laws doesn't mean he or she isn't powerful. They can run committees, whip, fundraise, etc. Its AOC's social influence that gives her the power, and her small donor fundraise effort for other members was a big success.. And with the article I posted, she has been seen as extremely powerful in New York right now.

Poll numbers mean nothing, and power is not being popular among the ultra-far-leftists. To be powerful you either need to have actual legislation passed or sit on some of the more powerful committees and AOC doesn´t do either of those things.

And being popular in her district means nothing else than she is able to get re-elected again and can cash in her congresspaycheck instead of being a low paid waiter, she can´t run for mayor or run for any other position because she does not have any sway with the moderates.

But I get you are a massive fan of her and that is your right but don´t think your fandom is equal to being popular or powerful.

Ummmmm.....AOC sits on the Finance Services Committee and the Oversight Committee, both incredibly powerful committees. Please learn your facts before you post. And really, AOC has been a lights out performer on Committees, which fuel her popularity. And with the Trump administration, Oversight may be the most powerful committee in the House, other than Ways and Means. They will get the big interrogations of Trump officials.

AOC would be able to win the mayor race if she ran, she is not just popular in her district, but citywide. Once again, she has a 51 to 34% approval rating in the entire city, not just NY-14. Other politicians are lower, including the current mayor. However, she won't make the attempt because she is focused more on big picture national issues and she would actually be less powerful than right now as Mayor.

And just because you don't like her doesn't make you right to underestimate her power, intelligence, and political skills. She has dealt with those throughout her short career that do.

Math failure from AOC.

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#129 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Siena NY-14 poll

AOC's numbers are 52% approve 33% disapprove, despite majority opposing her stance on Amazon. So, really, Amazon didn't hurt her at all.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Another right wing talking point killed.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/28/18285533/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-favorables-media

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/19/aoc-approval-rating-falls-after-amazon-deal-collapse-as-trump-hammers-democrats-over-socialism.html

Lets go over this shall we....

The national poll clearly shows the fact that Republicans actually know of AOC more than Democrats do (because of right wing media), which means that her numbers will go up once Dems know more about her.

The other poll you linked is now outdated, as the same polls taken more recently have her numbers rebound, which I have linked. This shows that the Amazon deal had no real impact outside short term, on her numbers. Both Siena and Qunnipac show her popular in her district and in NYC.

So try again. Word of advice....have the most up to date information next time.

Also, once again, every politician has said incorrect things, do I need to go over Trump and GOP politicians?

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#130 Edited by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@Solaryellow said:
@judaspete said:

@ronvalencia: Nuclear power does have the advantage of taking up less land, but solar panels can make use of land with dual functions. Solar panels can be placed on the roof of a building for instance. Plus no waste to store for a few thousand years.

Solar would be a wonderful way to go if it was a realistic approach. Whether a business or a 1500sq ft home, think of how many panels would be needed and where would you put all of them? Is it worth it to go through the expense for eliminating only a small portion of on grid power? If I'm doing it I want tobe fully off the grid in terms of depending on a power utility company.

I have ~3.33 kWatts solar panels on my roof on at front (1500 watts, using Sanyo/Panasonic panels, 250 watts each) and right (1825 watts, using LG panels, 360 watts each) sides, hence there another 3.650 kWatts for rear and left side available on the roof. Total potential solar panels on my roof is 7.3 kWatts. Peek power production is reached late morning to afternoon. Ground floor's roof is not used.

I plan to replace older Sanyo/Panasonic panels with LG panels. I target Tesla Powerwall 2's specs.

If I'm running "fish and chips" shop or charging Tesla Model 3 base model, the solar solution mentioned above is insufficient.

Leftist has problems with math.

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#131 Posted by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Siena NY-14 poll

AOC's numbers are 52% approve 33% disapprove, despite majority opposing her stance on Amazon. So, really, Amazon didn't hurt her at all.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Another right wing talking point killed.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/28/18285533/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-favorables-media

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/19/aoc-approval-rating-falls-after-amazon-deal-collapse-as-trump-hammers-democrats-over-socialism.html

Lets go over this shall we....

The national poll clearly shows the fact that Republicans actually know of AOC more than Democrats do (because of right wing media), which means that her numbers will go up once Dems know more about her.

The other poll you linked is now outdated, as the same polls taken more recently have her numbers rebound, which I have linked. This shows that the Amazon deal had no real impact outside short term, on her numbers. Both Siena and Qunnipac show her popular in her district and in NYC.

So try again. Word of advice....have the most up to date information next time.

Also, once again, every politician has said incorrect things, do I need to go over Trump and GOP politicians?

https://www.amny.com/news/politics/aoc-approval-rating-1.29633086

Of the 600 voters polled by Siena College Research Institute, 52 percent view Ocasio-Cortez favorably. Among Democrats, that percentage grows to 65. Forty-eight percent of all voters would re-elect her in 2020, while 61 percent of Democrats said they would re-elect her.

...

When asked to rate her job performance, most Democrats said she is doing an excellent or good job, while 63 percent of Republicans said she is doing a poor job. Sixty-four percent of New York District 14's voters are Democrats, while 10 percent are Republicans and 12 percent are Independents.

The polls are bias towards AOC's district.

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#132 Edited by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:

@zaryia:

Trump administration doesn't need Federal Reserve Bank to inject cash into the system aka Federal Reserve Bank's Quantitative Easing.

1. I'm glad you admit I was right about unemployment. Thanks Obama! Btw, AOC is wrong. I agree. Good thing she's not President or even that important.

2. Trump used the tax cuts for that boost, which cost us a lot. Too bad that didn't last long. 2019 and 2020 are having some poor projections. Like the article said,

Trump and GOP promised economic growth much better than Obama's. That's not what happened

It's actually better under Trump since

1. Federal Reserve Bank doesn't need to inject cash into the system.

2. Better per quarter GDP stability

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#133 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Guess who gets to vote for AOC??........her district. Because really come election time, thats all that matters.

However I also posted a poll showing that she is the most popular NYC politician from Qunnipac, so she is polling well outside her district. She has a 60% approval in Manhattan!!!! which is NOT in her district. Those billboards must be working....lol

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#134 Posted by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Guess who gets to vote for AOC??........her district. Because really come election time, thats all that matters.

However I also posted a poll showing that she is the most popular NYC politician from Qunnipac, so she is polling well outside her district. She has a 60% approval in Manhattan!!!! which is NOT in her district.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Attitudes towards Representative Ocasio-Cortez in CD 14

A majority of her constituents, 52 percent have a favorable opinion of Representative Ocasio-Cortez while 33 percent view her unfavorably. Two-thirds of Democrats view her favorably while nearly three-quarters of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Ocasio-Cortez. Overall, Ocasio-Cortez has a positive 47-42 percent job approval rating with Democrats grading her at 59-32 percent and Republicans at 17-74 percent. Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez, while 39 percent of all voters, 78 percent of Republicans, but only 27 percent of Democrats prefer someone else.

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#135 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Guess who gets to vote for AOC??........her district. Because really come election time, thats all that matters.

However I also posted a poll showing that she is the most popular NYC politician from Qunnipac, so she is polling well outside her district. She has a 60% approval in Manhattan!!!! which is NOT in her district.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Attitudes towards Representative Ocasio-Cortez in CD 14

A majority of her constituents, 52 percent have a favorable opinion of Representative Ocasio-Cortez while 33 percent view her unfavorably. Two-thirds of Democrats view her favorably while nearly three-quarters of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Ocasio-Cortez. Overall, Ocasio-Cortez has a positive 47-42 percent job approval rating with Democrats grading her at 59-32 percent and Republicans at 17-74 percent. Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez, while 39 percent of all voters, 78 percent of Republicans, but only 27 percent of Democrats prefer someone else.

And you prove what exactly? That she will easily win re-election?

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#136 Edited by Solaryellow (4836 posts) -
@texasgoldrush said:

@Solaryellow: 1) And AOC had a hand in doing it.

2) de Blasio has had his power diminished and he is not a very popular mayor. I do not count Schumer or Trump as their jobs are not based in NYC. I am counting local and local-national jobs only.

Being fair, even the Republican candidate received substantially more votes than Crowley. Clearly he was in trouble regardless. Popularity is not an indicator of power. If that were the case the idiots from hollyweird and athletes would be running everything. Back to NYC, have you forgotten about Nadler, Engel, Maloney, etc..,?

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#137 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@Solaryellow said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@Solaryellow: 1) And AOC had a hand in doing it.

2) de Blasio has had his power diminished and he is not a very popular mayor. I do not count Schumer or Trump as their jobs are not based in NYC. I am counting local and local-national jobs only.

Being fair, even the Republican candidate received substantially more votes than Crowley. Clearly he was in trouble regardless. Popularity is not an indicator of power. If that were the case the idiots from hollyweird and athletes would be running everything. Back to NYC, have you forgotten about Nadler, Engel, Maloney, etc..,?

You are confusing the primary with the general election. Crowley was on the ballot for the general election, but he didn't campaign and the party represented on the ballot, Working Families, endorsed AOC. Its the primary people talk about.

AOC may actually be more powerful than those congressmen you listed when it comes to the city as well. Nadler definitely has more internal power than AOC in congress, but AOC has him beat in outsider, influential power. New York lobbyists aren't looking for Nadler strategies, but AOC ones, according to the article I posted. AOC's grassroots activist power is something the NYC establishment do not know how to deal with.

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#138 Posted by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Guess who gets to vote for AOC??........her district. Because really come election time, thats all that matters.

However I also posted a poll showing that she is the most popular NYC politician from Qunnipac, so she is polling well outside her district. She has a 60% approval in Manhattan!!!! which is NOT in her district.

https://www.prweb.com/releases/siena_college_research_institute_poll_finds_ocasio_cortez_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters_in_her_district/prweb16232551.htm

Attitudes towards Representative Ocasio-Cortez in CD 14

A majority of her constituents, 52 percent have a favorable opinion of Representative Ocasio-Cortez while 33 percent view her unfavorably. Two-thirds of Democrats view her favorably while nearly three-quarters of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Ocasio-Cortez. Overall, Ocasio-Cortez has a positive 47-42 percent job approval rating with Democrats grading her at 59-32 percent and Republicans at 17-74 percent. Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez, while 39 percent of all voters, 78 percent of Republicans, but only 27 percent of Democrats prefer someone else.

And you prove what exactly? That she will easily win re-election?

while 39 percent of all voters

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#139 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Which is a minority, in a district where even Crowley won 70% of the vote with lower favorable ratings than AOC.

You seem to know nothing about the subject.

AOC is not going anywhere, get used to it.

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#140 Posted by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Which is a minority, in a district where even Crowley won 70% of the vote with lower favorable ratings than AOC.

You seem to know nothing about the subject.

AOC is not going anywhere, get used to it.

Maths failure detected.

Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez

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#141 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Which is a minority, in a district where even Crowley won 70% of the vote with lower favorable ratings than AOC.

You seem to know nothing about the subject.

AOC is not going anywhere, get used to it.

Maths failure detected.

Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez

Reality failure detected, coming from ronvalencia.

So you are saying AOC nearly locking up a winning majority 4 months into her term is a bad thing? wow

Also the "39% who prefer someone else", many of them would still vote for AOC as well, so you are misreading the poll. Some of them are establishment Dems who would vote for her over a Republican any day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_14th_congressional_district

These are the actual margins of victory in this district, heavily Democratic. AOC would crush any Republican and her campaign infrastructure and social media presence makes her near impossible to beat in a primary. And political experts think if AOC is redistricted in another district after 2020, the incumbent there is in trouble.

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#142 Posted by ronvalencia (27745 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Which is a minority, in a district where even Crowley won 70% of the vote with lower favorable ratings than AOC.

You seem to know nothing about the subject.

AOC is not going anywhere, get used to it.

Maths failure detected.

Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez

Reality failure detected, coming from ronvalencia.

So you are saying AOC nearly locking up a winning majority 4 months into her term is a bad thing? wow

Also the "39% who prefer someone else", many of them would still vote for AOC as well, so you are misreading the poll. Some of them are establishment Dems who would vote for her over a Republican any day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_14th_congressional_district

These are the actual margins of victory in this district, heavily Democratic. AOC would crush any Republican and her campaign infrastructure and social media presence makes her near impossible to beat in a primary. And political experts think if AOC is redistricted in another district after 2020, the incumbent there is in trouble.

Again, Nearly half of all voters, 48 percent, and 61 percent of Democrats are prepared at this point to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez

The real failure is from you.

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#143 Posted by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Which you don't somehow realize those are good numbers and you talk about me having the failure....lol

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#144 Edited by texasgoldrush (12823 posts) -

Oh look, Amazon is having trouble in another city!!! With both left and right opposition to a deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/apr/15/nashville-amazon-deal-sparks-backlash-from-both-left-and-right

Maybe AOC was wise to oppose the deal in Queens.