AOC isn't dumb, but most of her detractors are

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#51 Posted by sonicare (56699 posts) -

The only thing that is dumb in this thread is assuming other people are dumb. AOC is not dumb nor are her detractors.

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#52 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@Damedius said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@Damedius said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Which this statement has no proof and you are peddling a right wing conspiracy theory.

Watch videos of the Justice Democrats, then rewarch videos of AOC. You will see she regurgitates the same talking points.

You should change the title of the thread to "Justice Democrats aren't Dumb, they Got AOC elected."

Doesn't mean she is an actress. Once again, you prove my point.

The only point you have proven in this thread is that you are lovesick puppy that will defend his favorite waifu even if that means ignoring the truth that is smacking you over the head.

Who do you think came up with the Green New Deal that AOC sponsored?

Originally, Thomas Friedman, who called himself a "radical centrist".....try again.

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#53 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@sonicare said:

The only thing that is dumb in this thread is assuming other people are dumb. AOC is not dumb nor are her detractors.

So resorting to racist and sexist memes, attacking her intelligence, creating conspiracy theories about her, sending death threats, misrepresenting what she says, political opposition showing gross disrespect to her.....thats not dumb?

And notice I have said most of her detractors, because there are some smart ones that disagree with her views but admit she has political skill.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-28/aoc-has-lessons-for-republican-insurgents-in-congress

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#54 Edited by Damedius (551 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

Originally, Thomas Friedman, who called himself a "radical centrist".....try again.

That's who coined the term.

It was actually drafted by the Justice Democrats.

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#55 Posted by sonicare (56699 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@sonicare said:

The only thing that is dumb in this thread is assuming other people are dumb. AOC is not dumb nor are her detractors.

So resorting to racist and sexist memes, attacking her intelligence, creating conspiracy theories about her, sending death threats, misrepresenting what she says, political opposition showing gross disrespect to her.....thats not dumb?

And notice I have said most of her detractors, because there are some smart ones that disagree with her views but admit she has political skill.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-28/aoc-has-lessons-for-republican-insurgents-in-congress

What's dumb is labelling any criticism of a public official as wrong. That's incredibly stupid and somewhat fascist. Yes, there are dumb people who use racist and sexists insults about her, but there are also many people that have legitimate concerns about her - including members of her own party. Get some backbone.

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#56 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@sonicare said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@sonicare said:

The only thing that is dumb in this thread is assuming other people are dumb. AOC is not dumb nor are her detractors.

So resorting to racist and sexist memes, attacking her intelligence, creating conspiracy theories about her, sending death threats, misrepresenting what she says, political opposition showing gross disrespect to her.....thats not dumb?

And notice I have said most of her detractors, because there are some smart ones that disagree with her views but admit she has political skill.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-28/aoc-has-lessons-for-republican-insurgents-in-congress

What's dumb is labelling any criticism of a public official as wrong. That's incredibly stupid and somewhat fascist. Yes, there are dumb people who use racist and sexists insults about her, but there are also many people that have legitimate concerns about her - including members of her own party. Get some backbone.

But once again, did I label ANY criticism as wrong....once again, read my topic title. I said MOST, not ALL, detractors. Hell I actually said she made a couple mistakes.

MOST of AOC's detractors (and I mean not just positions, but her career and political life), that I call dumb, are right wing nut jobs, Trump supporters, conservative media. Facts are facts, conservative media talk about her and bash her disproportionately, much of the time attacking her inappropriately like Tucker Carlson last night.

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#57 Posted by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

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She makes goofy conservatives heads explode. They have to say stupid things about her like banning cows and ending air travel because it's the only thing their dim-witted base will understand.

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AOC is stupid

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#58 Edited by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@texasgoldrush:

https://investorplace.com/2019/02/ocasio-cortez-amazon-hq2-amzn-stock-fimg/

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U.S. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says the $3 Billion in tax breaks that Amazon apparently won't be using should be used for other funding like teachers and subway upgrades.

She apparently does not understand that tax breaks given to companies are not income or payouts to begin with !! 😎

Amazon has reportedly withdrawn from the New York deal anyway.

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#59 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Right wing advocacy group, nothing to see here.

Second, the Amazon Deal would have gentrified her district (although the campus itself would not be in her district), raised already high rents, and would have made the housing crisis worse. Amazon also has a history of mistreating its workers.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/02/revealed-amazon-employees-suffer-after-workplace-injuries

There was significant opposition in Queens. Its also state senator Ginaris, not AOC, that led to the deals demise.

Lastly, tax breaks are somewhat of a "revenue cost" that could have been spent elsewhere.

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#60 Edited by AlexKidd5000 (2939 posts) -

Right wing idiots HAVE to take every little gaffe she makes, and run all the way to the ends of the universe with them, because they can't beat her in the idea's arena, or out smart her otherwise, so they lie, and smear her.

The Amazon new york deal was trash, people said it was a standard deal for new york, and all I have to say about that... Get higher standards, new york.

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#61 Posted by Sevenizz (3827 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: ‘conservative media talk about her and bash her disproportionately’

You mean like how Liberal media (aka mainstream media) bash Trump/supporters and go on two year fake witch hunts?

AOC has earned her rubbings by being and anti capitalist (in America?), fear mongering, and divisive. She’s also a politician.

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#62 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@texasgoldrush: ‘conservative media talk about her and bash her disproportionately’

You mean like how Liberal media (aka mainstream media) bash Trump/supporters and go on two year fake witch hunts?

AOC has earned her rubbings by being and anti capitalist (in America?), fear mongering, and divisive. She’s also a politician.

Trump is President of the United States, and has opened himself up to criticism for various things, so the media coverage of him is not disproportionate.

AOC is a backbencher with 3 months of political experience, even though very outspoken and skilled, while many other Democrats have or had more official power. She is not Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Nancy Pelosi. Therefore it is very highly disproportionate to cover the amount right wing media covers her.

I think the real reason is you Trump supports are so threatened by any chance people like her will be the future leaders of this country. As for the "socialist" bit, why does right wing media like to go after AOC more than Sanders, who has a real actual chance of being President? There is a white nationalist angle to this.

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#63 Posted by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Right wing advocacy group, nothing to see here.

Second, the Amazon Deal would have gentrified her district (although the campus itself would not be in her district), raised already high rents, and would have made the housing crisis worse. Amazon also has a history of mistreating its workers.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/02/revealed-amazon-employees-suffer-after-workplace-injuries

There was significant opposition in Queens. Its also state senator Ginaris, not AOC, that led to the deals demise.

Lastly, tax breaks are somewhat of a "revenue cost" that could have been spent elsewhere.

Red herring. You're not addressing the AOC's stupidity.

U.S. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says the $3 Billion in tax breaks that Amazon apparently won't be using should be used for other funding like teachers and subway upgrades which is stupid when 3 billion of tax breaks doesn't exist without taxable income in the first place!

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#64 Edited by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Right wing advocacy group, nothing to see here.

Second, the Amazon Deal would have gentrified her district (although the campus itself would not be in her district), raised already high rents, and would have made the housing crisis worse. Amazon also has a history of mistreating its workers.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/02/revealed-amazon-employees-suffer-after-workplace-injuries

There was significant opposition in Queens. Its also state senator Ginaris, not AOC, that led to the deals demise.

Lastly, tax breaks are somewhat of a "revenue cost" that could have been spent elsewhere.

Red herring. You're not addressing the AOC's stupidity.

U.S. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says the $3 Billion in tax breaks that Amazon apparently won't be using should be used for other funding like teachers and subway upgrades which is stupid when 3 billion of tax breaks doesn't exist without taxable income in the first place!

You don't get it.

The fact is that Amazon did NOT need the tax break, and any taxes they could have paid would paid for the subways and teachers. Really, why does amazon need 3 Billion in tax breaks when they are already an extremely successful company? She may have been wrong thinking they were subsidies, but she is not wrong in saying Amazon doesn't need the incentive. And she is kinda not wrong saying that 3B could have been spent elsewhere if Amazon did come.

Next, the tax breaks were NOT the only reason why AOC opposed the deal, which once again, the NYC housing crisis being worsened as well as their labor practices also as reasons. The REAL truth is that corporate Democrats failed to listen to the resistance of local communities and ignored the spanner they put into the works until it was too late.

NY-14 dumped Crowley for AOC for a reason.

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#65 Posted by Sevenizz (3827 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: NPC meme in full effect here boys. If you aren’t a Democrat supporter, you’re a ‘white nationalist’. AOC says and does a lot of stupid things - THAT’S why the Right goes after her. No one brings up her ethnicity as a negative so you’re grasping at straws here.

Bernie was dragged by the mud by conservative media. It’s old news now. If he gains traction in two years, we’ll go after him again. Trust and believe.

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#66 Edited by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@texasgoldrush: NPC meme in full effect here boys. If you aren’t a Democrat supporter, you’re a ‘white nationalist’. AOC says and does a lot of stupid things - THAT’S why the Right goes after her. No one brings up her ethnicity as a negative so you’re grasping at straws here.

Bernie was dragged by the mud by conservative media. It’s old news now. If he gains traction in two years, we’ll go after him again. Trust and believe.

Stop being ignorant. So the REPUBLICAN she brought to her town hall is a white nationalist? I think not. However, much of the criticism of AOC is from white nationalists and its ignorant to think that it hasn't corrupted the GOP. And yes, at CPAC they did use her ethnicity in attacks. There is no grasping at straws here.

Once again, the Right likes to take her out of context, misinterpret her, and overblow her small errors. Your side is the ones being the real morons. It is your criticism of her that do not hold up to scrutiny. Once again, the real reason for the attacks is that the Right is afraid of her, there is no other reason to constantly go after a backbencher otherwise.

And you want to talk about saying stupid things, look no closer than right wing media. "Three Mexican Countries"...lol

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#67 Posted by Sevenizz (3827 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: White nationalists also drink and bathe in water. Better find an alternative or you’re one by association. The GOP, PotUS, and most conservatives disavow white nationalism. Quit rambling off the NPC rhetoric. It’s tired and dumb.

‘overblow her small errors’

This made me chuckle. 25k lost jobs, no new tax revenue for infrastructure, and a Green Deal even her party won’t support are just ‘small errors’. I guess misappropriating campaign donations is a small error too, right? The FEC doesn’t think so.

Face it, AOC will be a one term head scratcher. Her Amazon debacle will simply be too easy for an opponent to beat her on. Voters like jobs.

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#68 Edited by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@ronvalencia said:
@texasgoldrush said:

@ronvalencia: Right wing advocacy group, nothing to see here.

Second, the Amazon Deal would have gentrified her district (although the campus itself would not be in her district), raised already high rents, and would have made the housing crisis worse. Amazon also has a history of mistreating its workers.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/02/revealed-amazon-employees-suffer-after-workplace-injuries

There was significant opposition in Queens. Its also state senator Ginaris, not AOC, that led to the deals demise.

Lastly, tax breaks are somewhat of a "revenue cost" that could have been spent elsewhere.

Red herring. You're not addressing the AOC's stupidity.

U.S. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says the $3 Billion in tax breaks that Amazon apparently won't be using should be used for other funding like teachers and subway upgrades which is stupid when 3 billion of tax breaks doesn't exist without taxable income in the first place!

You don't get it.

The fact is that Amazon did NOT need the tax break, and any taxes they could have paid would paid for the subways and teachers. Really, why does amazon need 3 Billion in tax breaks when they are already an extremely successful company? She may have been wrong thinking they were subsidies, but she is not wrong in saying Amazon doesn't need the incentive. And she is kinda not wrong saying that 3B could have been spent elsewhere if Amazon did come.

Next, the tax breaks were NOT the only reason why AOC opposed the deal, which once again, the NYC housing crisis being worsened as well as their labor practices also as reasons. The REAL truth is that corporate Democrats failed to listen to the resistance of local communities and ignored the spanner they put into the works until it was too late.

NY-14 dumped Crowley for AOC for a reason.

You don't get it., it's competitive environment to attract investment. $3 billion doesn't exist without taxable income from Amazon's economic activity.

Even fellow Democrats are bashing AOC for Amazon debacle.

NY has given tax breaks for Global Foundries.

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#69 Edited by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@texasgoldrush: White nationalists also drink and bathe in water. Better find an alternative or you’re one by association. The GOP, PotUS, and most conservatives disavow white nationalism. Quit rambling off the NPC rhetoric. It’s tired and dumb.

‘overblow her small errors’

This made me chuckle. 25k lost jobs, no new tax revenue for infrastructure, and a Green Deal even her party won’t support are just ‘small errors’. I guess misappropriating campaign donations is a small error too, right? The FEC doesn’t think so.

Face it, AOC will be a one term head scratcher. Her Amazon debacle will simply be too easy for an opponent to beat her on. Voters like jobs.

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#70 Edited by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@Sevenizz said:

@texasgoldrush: White nationalists also drink and bathe in water. Better find an alternative or you’re one by association. The GOP, PotUS, and most conservatives disavow white nationalism. Quit rambling off the NPC rhetoric. It’s tired and dumb.

‘overblow her small errors’

This made me chuckle. 25k lost jobs, no new tax revenue for infrastructure, and a Green Deal even her party won’t support are just ‘small errors’. I guess misappropriating campaign donations is a small error too, right? The FEC doesn’t think so.

Face it, AOC will be a one term head scratcher. Her Amazon debacle will simply be too easy for an opponent to beat her on. Voters like jobs.

Does Trump truly disavow it? I think not. His speeches and policies reek of white nationalism.

Once again, AOC and her fellow Dems used a strategy to not divide the caucus during the Green New Deal Vote in the Senate. Your failure to recognize this is ignorance. Most of the Dem candidates for President, and every Senator running, has supported the Green New Deal. And once again, the GND has majority support across the US.

Really? AOC's district is D+29, thinking she will be one term is delusional. And a poll today showed that NYC residents approve of her performance by 51% to 34%, and the demographics suggest the support would be even higher in her district, which she has 66% to 26% approval in the Bronx and 49% to 31% in Queens. She is NYC's most popular politician in that poll.

https://poll.qu.edu/new-york-city/release-detail?ReleaseID=2613

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#71 Posted by JimB (2448 posts) -

@Nuck81 said:

@JimB: lol. Thanks for the second belly laugh.

except for the first bush recession, and the second bush recession, and the recession the economy is headed towards now. Luckily we've always had democrats in charge to rebuild the economy so a Republican can **** it up again.

The unemployment numbers are fake. Trump said so during the campaign. He's using the same numbers now that Obama did then.

He didn't lie about them not being real did he?

Like raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour which forces business to cut hours, eliminate jobs, and go out of business. That is your economic plan. Like the the New Green Deal.

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#72 Edited by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@JimB said:
@Nuck81 said:

@JimB: lol. Thanks for the second belly laugh.

except for the first bush recession, and the second bush recession, and the recession the economy is headed towards now. Luckily we've always had democrats in charge to rebuild the economy so a Republican can **** it up again.

The unemployment numbers are fake. Trump said so during the campaign. He's using the same numbers now that Obama did then.

He didn't lie about them not being real did he?

Like raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour which forces business to cut hours, eliminate jobs, and go out of business. That is your economic plan. Like the the New Green Deal.

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

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#73 Posted by judaspete (2950 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Nuclear power does have the advantage of taking up less land, but solar panels can make use of land with dual functions. Solar panels can be placed on the roof of a building for instance. Plus no waste to store for a few thousand years.

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#75 Posted by Horgen (120416 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

Would cut into profits and how well they can pay their shareholders.

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#76 Posted by Nuck81 (7558 posts) -

@JimB: lol. Yeah all the states that have already done that are in economic ruin!!! People are just wandering jobless eating babies and sniffing cow farts!! Dogs and cats living together because they can finally afford their rent!!! Mass hysteria!!!

Oh wait.....

None of that has happened. The states that struggle the most are Republican states.

Like Kansas. Low taxes and low wages baby!!!!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2018-09-07/minimum-wage-increases-didnt-impact-jobs-in-6-us-cities-study-shows

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#77 Posted by Jacanuk (18459 posts) -

@texasgoldrush: Funny thread you made here.

But it´s also funny that people spend so much time on someone they don´t like and provide them with a ton of Public spotlight that can only go to help her out in her next election in 2020.

Anyways hope she enjoys her time in the spotlight, as soon as we are past TDS and have a new president, no one will care what she or her cohorts have to say.

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#78 Posted by Vaasman (13674 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@texasgoldrush: Funny thread you made here.

But it´s also funny that people spend so much time on someone they don´t like and provide them with a ton of Public spotlight that can only go to help her out in her next election in 2020.

Anyways hope she enjoys her time in the spotlight, as soon as we are past TDS and have a new president, no one will care what she or her cohorts have to say.

Unless Fox goes down at the same time they'll keep on her long after Rump is gone. She's the exact kind of boogieman Republicans desperately need to stay relevant to their base.

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#79 Posted by N30F3N1X (8884 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

That's exactly as abyssally naive a comment as one who says AOC is smart could make. Way to argue in favor of her supporters' economic literacy lol

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#80 Edited by N30F3N1X (8884 posts) -

@judaspete said:

@ronvalencia: Nuclear power does have the advantage of taking up less land, but solar panels can make use of land with dual functions. Solar panels can be placed on the roof of a building for instance. Plus no waste to store for a few thousand years.

Nope, quite the other way around. Also this.

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#81 Posted by sonicare (56699 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@sonicare said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@sonicare said:

The only thing that is dumb in this thread is assuming other people are dumb. AOC is not dumb nor are her detractors.

So resorting to racist and sexist memes, attacking her intelligence, creating conspiracy theories about her, sending death threats, misrepresenting what she says, political opposition showing gross disrespect to her.....thats not dumb?

And notice I have said most of her detractors, because there are some smart ones that disagree with her views but admit she has political skill.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-28/aoc-has-lessons-for-republican-insurgents-in-congress

What's dumb is labelling any criticism of a public official as wrong. That's incredibly stupid and somewhat fascist. Yes, there are dumb people who use racist and sexists insults about her, but there are also many people that have legitimate concerns about her - including members of her own party. Get some backbone.

But once again, did I label ANY criticism as wrong....once again, read my topic title. I said MOST, not ALL, detractors. Hell I actually said she made a couple mistakes.

MOST of AOC's detractors (and I mean not just positions, but her career and political life), that I call dumb, are right wing nut jobs, Trump supporters, conservative media. Facts are facts, conservative media talk about her and bash her disproportionately, much of the time attacking her inappropriately like Tucker Carlson last night.

You may be better served by saying SOME and not MOST. And one of the last criticisms I read about her was on CNN by a fellow democrat who was lamenting her poor understanding of foreign affairs in the middle east and her belief in a false theory about a secret half trillion dollar miltary slush fund.

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#82 Posted by Jacanuk (18459 posts) -
@Damedius said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@Damedius said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Which this statement has no proof and you are peddling a right wing conspiracy theory.

Watch videos of the Justice Democrats, then rewarch videos of AOC. You will see she regurgitates the same talking points.

You should change the title of the thread to "Justice Democrats aren't Dumb, they Got AOC elected."

Doesn't mean she is an actress. Once again, you prove my point.

The only point you have proven in this thread is that you are lovesick puppy that will defend his favorite waifu even if that means ignoring the truth that is smacking you over the head.

Who do you think came up with the Green New Deal that AOC sponsored?

I know you didn´t ask me but allow me to participate with an idea on who came up with that proposal because it´s obvious that is was made up by a bunch of weed smoking, tripping hippies in a rainbow coloured WV bus on the way to "remake Woodstock 2018".

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#83 Edited by Zaryia (8531 posts) -
@vfighter said:

Oh wow, thanks for the laugh.

I mean....you guys don't even think AGW and climate change are real.

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#84 Posted by Zaryia (8531 posts) -
@ronvalencia said:

@texasgoldrush:

AOC's maths problems spreads among the Democrats with Kamala Harris wrongly thinks the unemployment rate is low because people work multiple jobs.

I do know one of the main reasons unemployment is low because it mostly fell from 2010 to 2017 Jan, due to Obama.

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#85 Posted by judaspete (2950 posts) -

@N30F3N1X said:
@judaspete said:

@ronvalencia: Nuclear power does have the advantage of taking up less land, but solar panels can make use of land with dual functions. Solar panels can be placed on the roof of a building for instance. Plus no waste to store for a few thousand years.

Nope, quite the other way around. Also this.

Thanks for posting that TED talk. I had not seen that one before and it was very insightful.

And currently, you are right about solar panel waste. Solar panel recycling is an industry in it's infancy, but it will grow and improve over time. Like e-waste recycling in general.

https://news.energysage.com/recycling-solar-panels/

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#86 Edited by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:

@texasgoldrush:

AOC's maths problems spreads among the Democrats with Kamala Harris wrongly thinks the unemployment rate is low because people work multiple jobs.

I do know one of the main reasons unemployment is low because it mostly fell from 2010 to 2017 Jan, due to Obama.

Red herring to AOC's and Kamala's math problems.

As for your Obama argument.

Trump admin doesn't need Federal Reserve Bank to inject cash into the system aka Federal Reserve Bank's Quantitative Easing.

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#87 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@horgen said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

Would cut into profits and how well they can pay their shareholders.

Yet Germany has a cap on CEO pay and their economy is doing just fine. The rest of the world has far less ridiculous CEO pay rates than America and they do just fine. And Nintendo has done this just fine.

And the focus on paying shareholders instead of workers is how we get crap like Anthem....lol

@N30F3N1X said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

That's exactly as abyssally naive a comment as one who says AOC is smart could make. Way to argue in favor of her supporters' economic literacy lol

See above comment.

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#88 Posted by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@JimB said:
@Nuck81 said:

@JimB: lol. Thanks for the second belly laugh.

except for the first bush recession, and the second bush recession, and the recession the economy is headed towards now. Luckily we've always had democrats in charge to rebuild the economy so a Republican can **** it up again.

The unemployment numbers are fake. Trump said so during the campaign. He's using the same numbers now that Obama did then.

He didn't lie about them not being real did he?

Like raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour which forces business to cut hours, eliminate jobs, and go out of business. That is your economic plan. Like the the New Green Deal.

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

For US education sector, run away overhead cost driven by unions and extreme profit corporatism. Needs Sweden's education funding model that shifts government funding from education corporate/unions to parents.

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#89 Posted by JimB (2448 posts) -

@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:

@texasgoldrush:

AOC's maths problems spreads among the Democrats with Kamala Harris wrongly thinks the unemployment rate is low because people work multiple jobs.

I do know one of the main reasons unemployment is low because it mostly fell from 2010 to 2017 Jan, due to Obama.

During the Obama term the number of people who quit looking for made his unemployment rate look good the number was 100,000,000. Now that number has fallen under Trump and there are more jobs than people to fill them. That is economic success.

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#90 Edited by N30F3N1X (8884 posts) -

@texasgoldrush said:
@horgen said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

Would cut into profits and how well they can pay their shareholders.

Yet Germany has a cap on CEO pay and their economy is doing just fine. The rest of the world has far less ridiculous CEO pay rates than America and they do just fine. And Nintendo has done this just fine.

And the focus on paying shareholders instead of workers is how we get crap like Anthem....lol

@N30F3N1X said:
@texasgoldrush said:

Or how about CEOs and top level managers cut their pay and actually pay workers better?

That's exactly as abyssally naive a comment as one who says AOC is smart could make. Way to argue in favor of her supporters' economic literacy lol

See above comment.

CEOs take the bulk of their pay from dividends and stock options whose estimated value rises with their performance, not cash.

Germany's legal salary cap is almost twice as high as the average combined salary the CEOs of the top 30 german companies make.

The fact that their economy is doing just fine has nothing to do with how much money CEOs or minimum wage workers make.

Also, weren't you the guy arguing about how good DA2 and ME3 were years ago? No wonder you understand nothing of economics either lol

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#91 Posted by DouglasFulk (3 posts) -

Wow, it`s really cool

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#92 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@N30F3N1X: Doesn't change the fact that CEO's in the US make a disproprotionate amount of money compared to the rest of the world.

"The fact that their economy is doing just fine has nothing to do with how much money CEOs or minimum wage workers make."

Which proves my point that you do not have to have overpaid CEO's and underpaid workers for the economy to succeed.

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#93 Edited by Zaryia (8531 posts) -

That's not a red-herring, because I'm not refuting your statement or debating with you.

I'm merely giving you complimentary data.

@ronvalencia said:

As for your Obama argument.

Not an argument. I'm posting facts on unemployment rate, as you mentioned.

@ronvalencia said: "wrongly thinks the unemployment rate is low because people work multiple jobs."

I'm simply adding supplemental data to your statement. A majority of the unemployment drop and employment gain occurred from 2010 to 2017 January. This is when the rate actually got low:

As for your twitter citation with "MAGA" at the end, I'll think I'll use the official US data on this rather than a "MAGA" tweet:

Facts are facts.

P.S.

Trump and GOP promised economic growth much better than Obama's. That's not what happened

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/trumps-economic-policies-failed-to-deliver-promised-3percent-growth-in-2018.html

Trump's Plan to Reduce Trade Deficit Falters as it Hits an All-Time High Instead

http://fortune.com/2019/03/06/us-trade-deficit-record-high/

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#94 Edited by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@zaryia: I love how they talk up a Trump economy with a yield curve that inverted....lol

It won't be strong for long.

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#95 Edited by ronvalencia (27754 posts) -

@zaryia:

https://www.bea.gov/news/2019/initial-gross-domestic-product-4th-quarter-and-annual-2018

Obama administration has less stable GDP growth e.g. 2015 Q3 and Q4

Trump administration doesn't need Federal Reserve Bank to inject cash into the system aka Federal Reserve Bank's Quantitative Easing.

You haven't addressed AOC's stupid statement on unemployment

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@ronvalencia said:

@zaryia:

Trump administration doesn't need Federal Reserve Bank to inject cash into the system aka Federal Reserve Bank's Quantitative Easing.

1. I'm glad you admit I was right about unemployment. Thanks Obama! Btw, AOC is wrong. I agree. Good thing she's not President or even that important.

2. Trump used the tax cuts for that boost, which cost us a lot. Too bad that didn't last long. 2019 and 2020 are having some poor projections. Like the article said,

Trump and GOP promised economic growth much better than Obama's. That's not what happened

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#97 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Do I need to go over Trumps false statements? He can't even tell the truth about where his father was born, guess it must be the windmill cancer.

All politicians have false statements, and yes, AOC is wrong, but that doesn't make her stupid. Politicians can rattle multiple falsehoods in debates very quickly. Also that specific statement happened very early, well before she was inaugurated.

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#98 Posted by Solaryellow (4836 posts) -

@judaspete said:

@ronvalencia: Nuclear power does have the advantage of taking up less land, but solar panels can make use of land with dual functions. Solar panels can be placed on the roof of a building for instance. Plus no waste to store for a few thousand years.

Solar would be a wonderful way to go if it was a realistic approach. Whether a business or a 1500sq ft home, think of how many panels would be needed and where would you put all of them? Is it worth it to go through the expense for eliminating only a small portion of on grid power? If I'm doing it I want tobe fully off the grid in terms of depending on a power utility company.

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#99 Posted by Miyomatic (2637 posts) -

Thread is one-sided and does not provide links or sources. I'm gonna leave with the same opinion I came in with.

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#100 Posted by texasgoldrush (12825 posts) -

@Miyomatic said:

Thread is one-sided and does not provide links or sources. I'm gonna leave with the same opinion I came in with.

Polls showing majorities supporting an environmental focus, Medicare For All, increase of taxes on the wealthy, etc......position's AOC supports.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/democratic-positions-majority/index.html