Another Obamacare repeal and replace FAILS!

Needed 60 votes to pass, got 43. lol

This is the Better healthcare reconciliation act, the one with the nonsense from idiot Cruz that allowed insurers to sell junk plans that don't cover anything - you know, because they're "cheaper",

Anyway, strike....four?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-gop-obamacare-repeal-replace-plan-fails-procedural-vote/

I'm tired of all this winning!!

Well, it was a Ted Cruz idea.

So what did you expect? no one likes that guy or his plans.

This was expected, no? Isn't this one of the preparatory votes to prepare the group to pass the "Skinny Repeal"? I think Paul demanded a vote on a full repeal as well (which surely won't pass and wouldn't fit reconciliation rules anyway) as a condition for his support of the Skinny Repeal bill as well, so we'll probably see that come up in the short term as well.

I believe there were three or four bills they were looking at voting on this week in total, mostly as a message to the various factions that "your pet preference was voted on and didn't pass - it's this or nothing."

@tjandmia: What failed today was a measure to amend the ACA (which was never going to pass). What did pass today was the motion to open the Senate to debate on the Republican version of health care, which will face a full vote next week.

I am so tired of all this winning....face it trump obamacare is here to stay and just admit you are a racist

Trump and Republicans said it would be so easy to replace Obamacare. I truly wonder: If Obamacare is such a failure why haven't the Republicans who have a majority in the House and Senate [not to mention a bombastic President] repealed it yet?

This has been the only focused mission of the Rep. all year and it still isn't done. What gives?

But they did pass the vote to start debating the Repeal/Repeal and Replace amendments, which is one step closer

Maybe it can hurt their voters?

It's real easy to talk about doing something or vote on something when there's no real possibility of it ever taking effect. But now they do have the ability, and have to actually think about all the political costs associated with repeal/replace. And there bills end up getting stuck between the hardline Tea Party people who want to get rid of most or all of obamacare, and the moderates who don't want to remove healthcare from important parts of their constituency

I hear you but these dudes were resolute and self assured in their bombast. Figuratively speaking they were screaming from mountaintops about Obamacare's many failures. Hell, Trump has been talking about repealing/replacing Obamacare as if it was a formality for well over a year now. He has basically been shouting 'The plan doesn't work and everyone knows it.'

It just really irks me that this dude(and several other Republicans) slung enormous dung hills of shyte at Pres. Obama's signature legislation. Touted its many failures and overt uselessness. And now they are quarreling among themselves regarding a replacement?

Objectively speaking, if you can't get this done after you have talked about it shortcomings for so long what does that say?

You'd think they'd repeal it just to save people from the death panels.

Because not everyone is voted in in places where the republicans have a huge majority or they are voted in in places with a hardcore conservative base they know would be pissed if it's not tough enough. It´s the way politics work, all politicians are in it to line their own pockets.

McCain has left me in the odd position of rooting for brain cancer. Because of him (and his republican friends) I have to worry about my wife losing her access to affordable health care and consequently her ability to function well enough to get up and go to work each day. So yeah, I hope that the health care "skinny" repeal fails or that his brain cancer suddenly kills him, like tonight.

@Nuck81: republicans are TRASH

You know your party is a joke when you control the presidency, House AND Senate and still can't pass a healthcare bill. Appropriate one, at best.

To play a bit of partisan devil's advocate here, Obama had the same thing and only able to push through a republican created health care bill that solved next to zero issues we face.

That said, anyone paying attention knows they cannot repeal the ACA. The few red states that did expand medicaid gave their citizens a taste of a Hitler/Stalin socialist communist SJW BLM dictatorship and they loved it and many now want it to go further instead of being replaced. And this is enough to keep it in place. Now that we have 40 democratic senators and congressmen supporting single payer (and a president who is astonished at how well it works in Australia), maybe we can actually go in the right direction.

You know, I live in the middle of Trumpland, USA and I was speaking to a member of our church about this bill at my prodding - just lighthearted banter along the lines of, "Hey, this thing is kind of the big news in current events these days. What are your thoughts on it?"

She ended up literally crying as she poured her heart out telling me that her 8 year old son who has epilepsy will have to go back to being uninsured if they drop the pre-existing condition regulations. I don't think people who haven't been in that position (either directly or vicariously) really get it - I don't think they make that human connection.

The story behind her son is long, complex, and bewildering so I won't bore you with the details. The bottom line is that her son is considered toxic by the two providers she's had him under, and they constantly attempt to deny or delay his coverage and treatment. Even with the ACA, she has to fight them to keep him covered, and she's on an employee sponsored health plan.

This is why there needs to be real world, life or death consequences for the people who are choosing to ignore the well being of American citizens. These people need to face criminal charges for manslaughter when they do this. Sadly that cannot happen, but its only a matter of time until we see a militia form who starts taking action into their own hands.

Single-payer please?

Call it what it really is; Two-tier Health Care - One tier for the wealthy and one for the rest of us.

Wealthy people like Warren Buffet advocate for "Single Payer" because he knows he will never have to live with it. He'll get all the medical care he needs, when he needs it, from the best providers money can buy, while the rest of us wait in line for the government supplied, mediocre quality medical care.

Further proof the political establishment is totally incompetent at everything except perpetuating their own power.

The DNC took a health insurance system that had problems, and made it worse for all the responsible people that were providing health insurance for themselves and their families.

The RNC can't provide any real solutions because it would require a reduction in government power over people's lives, therefore diminishing their ability to use that power to their own advantage.

Hey for all the disagreeing we do in SW, we can agree on this :D

Well, Democrats aren't much better, hell, Obamacare is pretty much just a glorified Republican health care plan.

Pretty sure it is at 42 now :)

The progressives are working really hard. I hate to call a lot of the activism we see online (screaming on the internet). But man... those progressives making a change are working really hard and damn deserve the activist title.

Either way... I am sure you just rounded that number off. But still, it is an amazing number, and as long as people are fighting the good fight, Chance will hopefully be made... eventually.

@collegeboy64: What the heck are you talking about? Wealthy people can already purchase superior health care, no changes required.

Yes, I was staring at that post for a minute wondering what he meant by that lol.

I don't think you grasp single payer but i am curious as to what system you think is better.

Yup. All those goddamn irresponsible people with pre-existing conditions that either could not be insured or had to pay more than they made. How horrible things are for them now that insurance companies are forced to operate with a shred of dignity and ethics. Also goddamn that cheaper health insurance for 80% of the market! Irresponsible assholes!