American hospitals dumping patients for being poor

Still think Americas healthcare system is better than the rest of the worlds? If you do, you are as dumb as that orange faced baboon in the white house!

Well, what do you expect? Our most recent great idea to fix things was to redefine "Forcing poor people to buy health insurance they can't afford to use" to mean providing healthcare. I assume we will solve this problem by labeling this out patient care. No issues there, you can see how much everyone cares when the patients get kicked out.

sorry but this emotional appeal bullshit doesn't work on me, as far as I know, in america if you work you can afford health insurance, so my question is, whats that patient's background? that patient was homeless? OK for how long? and why? because I think the solution to lack of health care (and a LOT of issues in america) is generating more jobs, not increase the burden on those who are working (which I'm pretty sure that Libtard was going to suggest without even needing to watch the rest of the video).

Also the fact that that guy was occupied with filming the whole incident over intervening is putting me off, its almost as if he had an agenda....

On the flip side I would say that having no emotion when you watch a woman who needs healthcare get dumped into the streets makes you a sociopath, and yes I realize that this video comes from a left wing internet news outlet, but damn. Leaving a person without anything more than a hospital gown on to freeze in the streets is some pretty cold hearted bullshit, and is probably the least healthy thing a healthcare provider could possibly do.

Perspective and context is everything, let me give you a scenario.

You have a person who is a drunk, that person does everything in his power to avoid responsibility, that person's family try everything they can to help that person, give him shelter, give him food, pay for his tuition, but that person takes everything for granted and does so for many MANY years until either that person's family gave up on him or the ones that didn't died out. As a result that person is homeless and continues to look for the easy way out and continues to take others for granted and disregarding their feelings. One day a church group decided to take that person in with the kindness of their hearts and gave him shelter, but soon even THEY learn of that person's true nature, but being the good christians they try their utmost hardest to "bring him back to god", this goes on and on and on for a long time until that person decided to come to piss all over the statue of Jesus, at that moment the church group thought enough is enough and kicked that person out because they knew there was absolutely no hope for him.

At that moment a reporter looking for a good story witnesses the act, films them and then tells the rest of the world that this church group just kicked out a poor homeless man.

Now the question is, what would the rest of the world see? a drunkered who takes advantage of anyone and anybody for his own selfish gain who got the punishment he deserved? or a poor defenseless man who is a victim because he was cruelly cast out by society and as such we should feel ashamed of ourselves?

The commentator loses all standing when he says you need to be wealthy in order to be given proper treatment. The video leaves much to question but I'm wondering how a person with a bag of clothes isn't wearing any.

You are giving us a hypothetical scenario that you made up out of thin air. Great job. I personally would rather help the person regardless of his or her background. And people who are THAT self-destructive would have to be few and far between. It's as if you are making up horrible things about this person just so YOU don't have to feel anything for them, or take responsibility. This type of thing is happening more and more often because health insurance SUCKS, for profit healthcare does not work, and this is the god damn proof.

@AlexKidd5000: And you are pretending like the person is an angel. What do you actually know about this person? I sure don't know a damn thing, all I see is a video of a guy (who happened to be there at the right time, which was...interesting to note) filming the incident (like full on took the effort to take out his phone and point it at everybody, suspiciously obsessed...you know..in the same way a youtuber looking for attention would do...), and what we saw were a bunch of paramedics going back in the building with a wheel chair and a person in a patient's garb walking around, in a scenario that is obviously supposed to be emotionally appealing. On top of that we have a libtard who is notoriously left and notoriously anti-corporation (that he doesn't support) notoriously anti-police and has a history of setting up narratives from segments of story and intentionally hiding the rest to make sure things are on his terms, and most notably is an advocate for socialism.

I have been lied to by libral media enough to know to not trust things at face value and to let my emotions get the better of me, thats why I'm going to ask follow up questions because as I have pointed it somethings about this story bother me, not just the guy filming the incident who just "happened" to be there, but the fact that she even got kicked out.

The story here is the hospital admitted this patient and then kicked the patient out when they "learned" that the patient was poor. don't you find this story odd? because I'm 100% certain that if profit was a priority for the hospital they would have demanded insurance papers BEFORE hand, so why would they have treated that person in the first place if they "knew" the person was poor? why would they waste their time? it just doesn't add up.

But these things glossed by you, because you were caught up with the romantic image of the situation. I want to help people if I can, but I won't do it unless I get the answers I want.

I had to stop reading right there.

why does a person have to be an angel to get medical care? so shoulld trump be denied medical care? who gets to decide who is or is not an good person?

lolnope.

Completely and utterly not the point. To summarize, this story is bogus and I'm not going to let a small part of a story formulate my conclusion. I don't know anything about the patient and I don't know anything about the situation, and the situation itself is questionable, so until I get answers I'm not gonna feel sorry for anybody, and I'd advise you to do the same, letting your emotions take the better of you is not only the worst method of assessing a case but will not help it what so ever.

I ask again.

why does a person have to be an angel to get medical care and who decides that? stop diverting.

If you had better reading comprehension you would CLEARLY understand that I'm not implying that someone should get treatment based on their moral level, the other guy is accusing me of assuming the patient is a bad person and I countered by asking what makes that person think the patient is a good person in an attempt (failed attempt) to point out that every story told by a camera man has a secret behind it.

then in only 10 words please explain why you said 'And you are pretending like the person is an angel' and why that is relevant to anything whatsoever remotely. dont waste words, get to the meat of it

You could've narrowed the whole reply down to " Person is probably scum so why should I or anyone care?"

and he keeps dancing around it wasting his time. all we needed to know was in the first 10 words

Pretty sad that people think like that and make assumptions on who she is. This is disgusting, no one should be treated like that, I don't care what background they have.

You do realize Healthcare in the US is the leading cause for bankruptcies. As a matter of fact, it is probably the most inefficient system in the developed world, with the US spending more than any other nation, while getting less results, and it is due to the system being for profit.

Getting more jobs isn't panacea, having a job doesnt mean you will be able to afford healthcare.

Besides all the paranoid leftist boogeyman talk in this post in what situation is it acceptable to leave someone out in freezing temps in just a hospital gown? If they're crazy, you call the police or have them sent elsewhere. Perhaps you would be more sympathetic if this was posted on fox news or breitbarb?

Nobody sane thinks that, dude.

Isn't it sad when the nuances of the incident are not known yet everyone pulls out the tears based on a video w/o context?

Just a word of warning: Project Veritas reconfirmed that we should be skeptical of unsourced videos.

I highly doubt a patient could dump a patient that required acute care. That would be considered extremely negligent and indefensible in civil court. The problem with the US healthcare system is that people don't get good primary care. They don't see their physicians regularly for well check ups either due to cost or lack of understanding/effort. The issue comes down to preventable medicine. When people are actually sick and require intensive care, the US system does quite well in that aspect.

Except it's really not. We mostly just pay more for the same.

Note that since this paper was published, the healthcare expenditure to GDP ratio has risen even more from 13 percent to 17.9 percent (as of 2016).

There is no nuance here. You don't leave people out in freezing temps in just a gown. That's a failure on so many levels.

It is. I dont know if that article really addresses true acute and interventional care. Check out the table below. If I had heart disease or cancer that required interventional treatment, there is no country in the world I would rather be in than the US for that treatment. Bar none. However, if you look at population based issues like mortality and morbidity, other country's do far better because they provide better overall care. The health system in the US is far too focused on acute interventions and procedures as opposed to preventative care.

@joebones5000: I agree that healthcare is not actually a free market due to imbalances in bargaining power and information, along with 3rd party intermediaries. Having said that, many single payer systems still have significant private sector involvement.

So my question is what do you mean when you say 'socialized medicine'?

That doesn't address costs at all.

Edit: I apologize, after rereading your original post I think I read something into it related to costs that isn't actually there due to my own background and focus on the matter.

You know what they say, a reader brings his own background into the text.

I agree that our healthcare system is pretty bad and that the whole profit scheme is disgusting, but statements like "only the wealthy can afford healthcare" are just....

Even when I was a retail pleb making $9.45 an hour back in 2006, I could afford it. Remember this was pre Obamacare, when things were worse.

Not true and stating that shows a disconnect with reality.

What do you consider wealthy? Because from my perspective, wealthy means having your health to be able to work, not being rich. I suppose it's woe to those without their health who must fight for it, they are the exception, my heart goes out to them......so let me still advocate for a system that leaves them out in the cold because we're going to victimize them for the irresponsibility and laziness of others.

People thought this?

Of course, it is true for lots of them as well. Once you have the cash, you get the finest treatment in the world. It is pretty much the same as anything else in America. You can have the best as long as you pay the premium.

This is sort of why old people are more conservative then the young. Money makes the bulk of the problems in our society evaporate, and 45 year olds tend to have a lot more of it then 22 year olds. People only care about problems that impact them and those they empathize with. If it isn't in their face, and they are not experiencing it, then it is either not a real problem. Or worse, the person experiencing the problem deserves it.

Ok, got it. Single payer, universal access, modest user fees, heavy involvement of the private sector but constrained within the context of set services and fee schedules, wide ranging services as a whole with few limitations, gov't reimbursement for prescribed drugs according to defined rebate schedules, mostly funded by payroll deductions.

It is a highly regarded system and does a nice job of combining the public and private sectors together. I am in Canada and we have a number of similarities with France, but our system is not as integrated and doesn't cover the full spectrum of services (like dental), utilizes corporate plans for most prescription drug rebates, we shy away from any user fees, and the system is funded less directly through general tax revenues. But we are somewhat less constrained on the referral side though, as we don't have to be registered with a single doctor/GP.

Are any of you employed? and if so do any of you have health insurance?

If thats the take you took from my comment then go back and read again.

Well that's the thing, I didn't just read that comment. I read your others in this thread before I replied.

And if you need to make up that the person is likely a leech on society and thus not really deserving healthcare to be able to shrug it off, it does kinda indicate that sentence fits, And by all means you are free to feel that way. Just own up to it if you're called out.

@Dark_sageX: Let's for argument sake say the person is an unemployed junky. What does that change?

Nobody should be denied healthcare. You can't just pick and choose who deserves to live and who doesn't.

Ya ya I've heard the saying about being wealthy if you have your health and although I don't necessarily disagree, the commentator spoke in a different meaning. In terms of his approach, I consider wealthy a step above being comfortable.

@AlexKidd5000: This contiunation of posting random youtube videos that are equal to the shit posted by Infowars and Milo "imgodsgifttomankind"

I wonder what this poster would do if there was no youtube with tons of video to come up with random shit that has no merit.

@AlexKidd5000: You do realize the current system is Obamas correct?

really? the current private industry industry all of it is Obamas system?

no actually I didnt know that.

And where do you think health care comes from? you saying nurses and doctors should take over time because "drama queen voice: everybody deserves health care!"?

Wanting to save everybody is fine and everything but maybe you shouldn't forget that everything comes at a cost and that everyone should do their part, I mean how can you argue that even leaches deserves things without even considering that OTHERS have to WORK to provide them with those things? I would think that at the VERY LEAST that to ask for that person to not be a trouble maker is not much to ask? but hey if you feel that way then instead of mouthing off from your keyboard why don't YOU take night shifts in a hospital? I mean since you are such a good person and you are clearly better than I'm you should have no problem doing that, right?

Did you also read the part where I said "in summary I think this story is bogus"? or were you merely shocked at the prospect that even the most inhumane things CAN actually be explained or justified and got so distracted by that thought?

But fine I'll bite, I don't fully agree that people deserve everything on the simple basis that they are humans because one can rationally argue against it depending on the situation. You are caught up in the romantic idea of saving everyone that you forget that there are people on the other side of the blanket that need to work their ass off to provide it, so in that instance it DOES become about earning your keep, sure for someone like you on the side line its easy to point at a doctor or nurse and tell them that they should always 100% try their best with patients no matter how difficult they are, but you seem to forget that THEY are people to, so if a junky was being difficult (which btw I don't recall accusing the woman herself of being a junky but whatever) they should by all means take the actions that they (the ones actually doing the job) deem befitting, and if you have a problem with it then you go fix it yourself.

As another example, if a cop shoots a suspect who was none compliant, do you tell the cop that they should do better because the suspect simply "deserved to live like everybody else"? I mean do you ever consider what goes through the cop's mind?

My point is, every situation can be justified, why did the nurses kick that woman out? well the guy with the phone is claiming that its because she couldn't afford it (which again, I think is BS but whatever), and I'm asking about the woman and then you and the other white knights are coming at me with "HOW COULD YOU?! SHE IS A HUMAN BEING! NOBODY DESERVES SUCH TREATMENT NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON!! WAAAAAAH!" and i'm saying maybe just MAYBE the nurses or doctors had a good reason? but no I guess whenever we see someone doing a sob story we should just eat it up and pretend like people working in hospitals are some kind of evil nazis or something and we should all grab our pitchforks and write words on our tits while shouting nonsense on speaker phones because you have the stupid idea that it would make a difference, or at least make things better, when it doesn't.

@Dark_sageX: Universal healthcare has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be more effective and cheaper than America's system. So if you want good and affordable healthcare, then yes you should give that junky bum treatment.

its even more efficent in our own country!

speaking to medicaid to be exact

Was that so hard?, Could've just said that you don't think people should receive healthcare unless they deserve it.

waaay to easy. every position we have to frame it so that we can continue to hide in the darkness and move the position at will and never have a position.

@Dark_sageX: Yes I'm employed and where I work the employer covers most of the insurance. However...I also know people who work who CANNOT afford insurance and no.....not all employers offer affordable health care.

You are wrong.