when are watch dogs and the division coming out?

those games will truly define next gen

Watch Dogs was moved to Q1 2014 and The Division is somewhere in 2014 as well (most likely later). Don't expect watchdogs until somewhere after April.

To add, Watch Dogs was delayed due to a lawsuit brought on by JJ Abrams, who believes the game is too close to his tv show "person of interest". Ubisoft nor JJ Abrams want to announce this publicly at this point, as it just makes them look bad.

wat? bullshit. there is nothing anywhere on the net about this either....

That's because these events are being kept under wraps atm and it is still ongoing. The New York Times's business section reported that Ubisoft took a major hit causing their "shares to crash" because of the delay. They wouldnt allow that happen for just "mere polish". There is a legal dispute and JJ Abrams is at the middle of it. I'm sure you can understand why Ubisoft or Bad Robot (studio behind the tv show, owned by Abrams) wouldnt want bad press from this.

Hey It may be that the studio really did want to continue to work on it (as a game artist I can agree with that sentiment), and the lawsuit might be just the excuse to make that happen, but it exists none the less. Like everything on the internet, its up to you or anyone else reading on whether or not they chose to believe it, but make no mistake JJ Abrams is not happy with watch dogs and there is a legal dispute going on right this minute. I'll toss in this bit of info though, living and working in Hollywood, I have direct access to quite a few people directly tied to the tv show. Abrams is not letting this one go.

you have no proof, and are talking out your ass.

and bullshit you work in hollywood. if you wanted even a shred of credibility, you shouldnt have even gone there. completely ridiculous. you are just some dumbass kid trying to sound like a rockstar on a forum.

if anything, the real reason watchdogs was delayed was to prevent a sales war between watchdogs and AC4... both of which are open world games and would have appealed to the same people... also.... watchdogs clearly has a connection to the AC series, so they may either be developing that further, or taking the time to flesh the game out like they said.

Next year imo.

According to the launch windows they have announced Watch Dogs Q1 and The Division Q3. But it can change

Sounds like you have a confirmation bias kiddo. Try not to go around painting people in the light that confirms whatever bias you feel the need to have, or desperately want to have.

I do work in Hollywood, not sure what thats supposed to mean to you though. It is just a small part of Los Angeles. Is that really that far fetched for you? Regardless, its not about me or what you want to believe (including age). Why dont you start looking a persons profile before rushing to judgement though. That said, Its a fact that JJ Abrams is indeed going after Ubisoft over watchdogs. There is no reason to make this up. It is nice however if people know the real reason for the delay. LIke I said earlier, its the internet, so its fine to be skeptical, but dont be an ass about it.

Try not to ignore key information here. By delaying, Ubisoft had their stocks drop the lowest in their companies history (32% drop). They are are also estimated to lose at least $54 million in operating cost due to the delay. Their pre-orders for Watch Dogs already surpassed expectations (according to Ubisoft). So no it wasnt avoid competition with AC4, the delay is too costly. What could be more costly however is a lawsuit by a powerful figure in Hollywood who actually believes Watch Dogs is taking from his TV show franchise. Many users have already drawn this parallel and its obvious that Abrams and his studio Bad Robot would pick up on this.

If you want to be a skeptic, go ahead, but stick to the wait and see approach rather than try to dub others as "kids" "trying to sound like a rockstar" and are full of "bullsheet". It doest really help your own image.

nothing you say is true... at all. the delay was to avoid a sales war between two of their key franchises, both of which are similar in gameplay.

case closed. you can say whatever you want. your comments are bullshit.

Haha, listen to yourself. You are so desperate to claim you are right and everything else is BS, that you are consciously ignoring factual information that destroys your chosen belief. Do you seriously think they would delay a game to prevent competition WHEN:

1) They already had pre-orders for Watch Dogs that surpassed their expectations.

2) They would have their shares crash by over 32%

3) They would lose $52 million in operation cost.

Nice try kiddo but no, you cannot make the claim you are making in such a simple minded "case closed" fashion. You simply refuse to pay attention to the facts. Have you considered that you are what you pretend to claim everyone else is?

LAWDY LAWDY MY EYES HAVE BEEN OPENED.... I NOW SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS!

you are a dumbass, and you are wrong, and you dont work in hollywood, and you are just a punk kid trying to sound cool.

52 million is nothing to these companies, when a sales war could have cost them hundreds of millions. AC3 sold 3.5million copies in its first week. that is 210 million in sales. according to VGChartz, which is notoriously LOW on their sales numbers, it has sold around 10 million copies to date. that is 600 million in sales, and AC3 was the worst received of all the ACs previous....

watch dogs is poised to sell even more than AC. by having them come out at the same time, Ubisoft was facing the possibility of splitting sales between the two franchises.... something that would have cost them a hell of a lot more than 52 million dollars. once the release date gets nearer for watch dogs, their shares will rebound and surpass the historic value... just like it always does for every major videogame developer when they announce a delay to a key franchise. its documented and like clockwork.

the fact that you havent processed any of this, just shows that you are just some dumbass kid that doesnt know what he is talking about. go back to school you little shit... some of us dont have time for your stupidity.