PS4 vs. PS3 Comparison

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#1 Posted by bobborries (25 posts) -
  The new specs for the PS4 seems to turn the playstation into a PC, except for the special memory thats runs much faster than a typical PC. The PS3 was based on IBM's Cell processor, that was hailed at it's debut, but turned out to be a problematic to program and hotter than an oven. The PS4 changes all that with X86 technology that most game developers like to work with and is a standard in the PC gaming community.  Every part of the playstation has been upgraded to be up to 16 times faster. Connectivity with iPhones/iPads/androids and sharing has been added, an extra CPU is included to do downloads and other tasks at the same time your playing a game, in fact you can start to download a game and begin to play it before it's entirely downloaded. Other possibilities are picture in picture and previewing an opponent's "best of" video clips before the match begins. Playing the PS4 at work through your smartphone by controller and video streaming?  The controller has much more sensors and feedback controls than you can shake a stick at. To me it looks like the touch pad is in an awkward place, you'll probably swipe it to pull a pin on a grenade and so forth. There's a share button (something I would never touch) and the options button does double duty for pausing and starting. A mono headset comes bundled, so everyone will have a mic, stereo headsets will be available. You'll be able to recharge the controller with any usb charger, and the multi-colored light bar helps the camera or 3D positioning as well as indicating to the gamer their health is low by flashing red. The button and trigger quality has been improved. So why buy a PS4 when it's basically a low priced PC, why not just buy a PC? I'll have to wait and see more of the PS4 can do, before thinking of buying a $1500 PC. It'll be interesting to see a comparison of the new Xbox when specs are released.
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#2 Posted by MonsieurX (38910 posts) -
System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have fun
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#3 Posted by 23Jarek23 (2647 posts) -

System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have funMonsieurX

I don't see why you have to be a d-ck, this is a pretty decent thread, a lot better than many others that get started here on a daily basis. It's a playstation thread, comparing current and next gen playstaion, why would it belong in SW?

Cool little info-graphics OP. 

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#4 Posted by angryassdrummer (230 posts) -

thats pretty interesting and makes it easier to compare 

im a bit more interested in ps4 than i was before this thread

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#5 Posted by clr84651 (5634 posts) -

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have fun23Jarek23

I don't see why you have to be a d-ck, this is a pretty decent thread, a lot better than many others that get started here on a daily basis. It's a playstation thread, comparing current and next gen playstaion, why would it belong in SW?

Cool little info-graphics OP. 

They must have misunderstood. Your topic is fine. The PS4 is a lot more impressive than PS3 as was PS3 a lot more impressive than PS2 and was PS2 a lot more impressive than PS1. I like your comparison chart. I look forward to more info on PS4 between now and launch. E3 should be very good. Thank you!:D

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#6 Posted by Vari3ty (11111 posts) -

I really want to get my hands on that controller. 

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#7 Posted by commander (15316 posts) -
i though the ps4 had a hd 7850 in it A 7670? that's going to hurt next gen lol. Also the ps3 had 256 mb system memory.
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#8 Posted by commander (15316 posts) -

[QUOTE="23Jarek23"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have funclr84651

I don't see why you have to be a d-ck, this is a pretty decent thread, a lot better than many others that get started here on a daily basis. It's a playstation thread, comparing current and next gen playstaion, why would it belong in SW?

Cool little info-graphics OP. 

They must have misunderstood. Your topic is fine. The PS4 is a lot more impressive than PS3 as was PS3 a lot more impressive than PS2 and was PS2 a lot more impressive than PS1. I like your comparison chart. I look forward to more info on PS4 between now and launch. E3 should be very good. Thank you!:D

The ps3 was a lot more impressive for it's time though, 8 cores , and the latest gpu. Not the case with the ps4 though, bad idea.
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#9 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -
[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have fun

This isn't system wars material and belongs were it is. Also, he doesn't have to be level ten to create a thread unless you mean in SW.
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#10 Posted by ronvalencia (27244 posts) -
[QUOTE="evildead6789"]i though the ps4 had a hd 7850 in it A 7670? that's going to hurt next gen lol. Also the ps3 had 256 mb system memory.

AMD has confirmed that PS4 will be using 2013 road map building blocks i.e. 7670 is not part of it.
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#11 Posted by CTR360 (8654 posts) -
nice thread i cant wait for PS4 still love my PS3
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#12 Posted by Mcspanky37 (1693 posts) -
Not really diggin that new controller. Looks unpleasant to look at and less comfortable than the last Dualshock.
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#14 Posted by Venom_Raptor (6959 posts) -

PS4 definitely sounds so awesome!

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#15 Posted by Venom_Raptor (6959 posts) -

dualshock is for girly hands, xbox for manhands.evildead6789

Just no

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#16 Posted by The_Golden_Age- (172 posts) -

Why get a PS4 over a PC? PlayStation exclusives are pretty much the only reason I'm still playing games these days. I'm not even talking about stuff like God Of War, Gran Turismo, Little Big Planet, Infamous, etc.

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#17 Posted by MarcRecon (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have fun23Jarek23

I don't see why you have to be a d-ck, this is a pretty decent thread, a lot better than many others that get started here on a daily basis. It's a playstation thread, comparing current and next gen playstaion, why would it belong in SW?

Cool little info-graphics OP. 

Agreed,I don't what the issue is.....

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#18 Posted by metalgrinch (455 posts) -

so cool, this thing is going to be a monster. But hopefully it won't be an expensive monster

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#19 Posted by DarkGamer007 (6033 posts) -

I hope they still have an ethernet port on the console, video game consoles normally cannot connect to my University Wi-Fi.

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#20 Posted by CaptainGamespot (616 posts) -

System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have funMonsieurX

bad attitude, no need to be a jerk.

also, this thread isn't sw material, its' about ps3 to ps4, not 360 to ps4 or 720 to ps4 or wii u to ps4.

u mad.

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#21 Posted by CaptainGamespot (616 posts) -

tc : nice thread and pics. thank you for posting. informative.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have funAmazonTreeBoa
This isn't system wars material and belongs were it is. Also, he doesn't have to be level ten to create a thread unless you mean in SW.

exactly, thanks.

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#22 Posted by CaptainGamespot (616 posts) -

dualshock is for girly hands, xbox for manhands.evildead6789

no, i'm 6foot five inches, no way is that accurate. 

xbox is for alien, awkward thumb placement hands, dualshock is for human symmetrical hands. easy to counter, thanks.

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#23 Posted by CaptainGamespot (616 posts) -

 

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]System wars is that way And you can't create thread until level 10,have fun23Jarek23

I don't see why you have to be a d-ck, this is a pretty decent thread, a lot better than many others that get started here on a daily basis. It's a playstation thread, comparing current and next gen playstaion, why would it belong in SW?

Cool little info-graphics OP. 

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agreed. I like the info graphics too. 

monsier guy is a sw xbox troll, if memory serves. he mad ps comparison isn't negative.

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#24 Posted by Mrmedia01 (1917 posts) -

Very well done thread, love the comparison pics. Good job OP. I can't wait for PS4, much more powerful than PS3. I am hyped.

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#25 Posted by SKaREO (3161 posts) -
The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...
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#26 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13262 posts) -

The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...SKaREO

Moron

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#27 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -
The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...SKaREO
Sad pathetic troll attempt is sad pathetic troll attempt.
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#28 Posted by Vari3ty (11111 posts) -

The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...SKaREO

I'm not seeing how it's a step backwards, it seems like a major leap forwards to me. It may be a step backwards from the $1000+ gaming computer you have, but for a console it's packing some serious power. 

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#29 Posted by sukraj (27858 posts) -

PS4 definitely sounds so awesome!

Venom_Raptor

 

yes it sounds real sweet.

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#30 Posted by bezza2011 (2729 posts) -

has anyone else put there ps3 on after hearing about the ps4 and just thought i just can't be bothered truly playing on this anymore and i want the ps4 NOW hahahahaha i'm like a big kid, i put fifa in and just thought, truly how much better are the graphics going to be than this. i always do this when i know the new system is around the corner i get bored of the current system and my mind is set on the new system.

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#31 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13262 posts) -

has anyone else put there ps3 on after hearing about the ps4 and just thought i just can't be bothered truly playing on this anymore and i want the ps4 NOW hahahahaha i'm like a big kid, i put fifa in and just thought, truly how much better are the graphics going to be than this. i always do this when i know the new system is around the corner i get bored of the current system and my mind is set on the new system.

bezza2011

No I have a backlog to clear out before the PS4 is released. aa

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#33 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13262 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...SKaREO

Moron

Stop acting like a baby. Your PS4 is just a meager PC. My PC has a blue ray burner and solid state drives, and I can upgrade it anytime. Have fun with your new budget PC build I guess.

Have fun being modded...

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#34 Posted by merigoldsass (575 posts) -
i like the controller, hopefully someone will get it to work on the pc which would be a great added benefit. Sucks that the ps3 can not play games above 1080p, for most people that will not matter, currently. However in about 2-3 years 4k tvs will probably be affordable and it would be nice to play games at that resolution. (yes resolutions above 1080p do actually look noticeably better believe it or not)
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#35 Posted by lonewolf604 (8676 posts) -

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

has anyone else put there ps3 on after hearing about the ps4 and just thought i just can't be bothered truly playing on this anymore and i want the ps4 NOW hahahahaha i'm like a big kid, i put fifa in and just thought, truly how much better are the graphics going to be than this. i always do this when i know the new system is around the corner i get bored of the current system and my mind is set on the new system.

StrongBlackVine

No I have a backlog to clear out before the PS4 is released. aa

Same here, and I only play FPS, so my library is limited. I still haven't played any God of War, Uncharted, or LIttle Big Planet 

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#36 Posted by angryassdrummer (230 posts) -
Why do you only play fps?
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#37 Posted by lonewolf604 (8676 posts) -

Why do you only play fps?angryassdrummer
I grew up playing Counter-Strike, Unreal, and Quake. I tend not to like to problem solve/explore when playing games. I just like to shoot stuff. My friends bought me LA Noire for my birthday a couple years ago and I didn't even finish it. I had Zelda Twilight Princess for Wii and didn't finish it. So I guess this year I'm going to get some used PS3 games and pick up some titles I missed on before getting the PS4.

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#38 Posted by ronvalencia (27244 posts) -

The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...SKaREO

Major fail is you. The chip size for Intel i7-980X is quite large i.e. 239 mm^ while Radeon HD 7870's chip size is 212 mm^2.

AMD Jaguar core size is 3.1 mm^2 + 2.1 mm^2 for L2 cache i.e. total size of ~41.6 mm^2.

The reason why Intel i7-980X's large chip size is due to slower DDR3 memory i.e. larger on-board cache. Fast GDDR5 memory reduces the need for large chip size.

On Geforce GTX 680 issue...

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The breakdown on GPU strengths

Non-Microsoft Direct3D GPGPU face-off: K20 vs 7970 vs GTX680 vs M2050 vs GTX580 from http://wili.cc/blog/gpgpu-faceoff.html

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K20 = GK110

There's very difference between NVIDIA's OpenCL and CUDA.

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PS, Sony PS4 would not be using Microsoft's Direct3D stack.

App 1. Digital Hydraulics code is all about basic floating point arithmetics, both algebraic and transcendental. No dynamic branching, very little memory traffic.

App 2. Ambient Occlusion code is a very mixed load of floating point and integer arithmetics, dynamic branching, texture sampling and memory access. Despite the memory traffic, this is a very compute intensive kernel.

App 3. Running Sum code, in contrast to the above, is memory intensive. It shuffles data through at a high rate, not doing much calculations on it. It relies heavily on the on-chip L1 cache, though, so it's not a raw memory bandwidth test.

App 4. Geometry Sampling code is texture sampling intensive. It sweeps through geometry data in "waves", and stresses samplers, texture caches, and memory equally. It also has a high register usage and thus low occupancy.

Dirt Showdown's results mirrors "App 2" results.

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#39 Posted by Venom_Raptor (6959 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]The more I think about it, the more this system is a step backwards in hardware. The only thing that can save it is some really solid exclusive titles, otherwise it has such a limited collection of games that I'm interested in I will probably not even buy one. I just bought an Intel i7-980X with a GTX 680 and a Solid State Drive with 555 Mb/s Read/Write. From a hardware standpoint, this PS4 is just ugly. AMD and ATI graphics? Major fail there. And the system will be chugging behind even last year's computers. It's too bad that game developers weren't ready for the super-advanced cell-processing architecture of the PS3, now we are going to have to settle with just another cheap PC with a logo on it...SKaREO

Moron

Stop acting like a baby. Your PS4 is just a meager PC. My PC has a blue ray burner and solid state drives, and I can upgrade it anytime. Have fun with your new budget PC build I guess.

Control your hard on over your damn PC, PS4 is a leap forward in gaming, and you're just blinded by your narrow-mindedness

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#40 Posted by KaY_86 (280 posts) -
all what I want to know is the HDD size of ps4..is it 8GB?..like in ps3 there is 120GB,250,320,500....GB
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#41 Posted by The_Rick_14 (9945 posts) -
i like the controller, hopefully someone will get it to work on the pc which would be a great added benefit. Sucks that the ps3 can not play games above 1080p, for most people that will not matter, currently. However in about 2-3 years 4k tvs will probably be affordable and it would be nice to play games at that resolution. (yes resolutions above 1080p do actually look noticeably better believe it or not)merigoldsass
I imagine that would be a huge amount of data to have to render. Even if the tvs are affordable, the real bottleneck is keeping the fps high and stable. Personally, I think I'd prefer 1080p at a stable 60fps before 4k at an unstable 30ish fps for gaming.
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#42 Posted by jsilverstreak (25 posts) -
so the only reason you played ps3 was because it had different architecture, because that affects the games for the better some how
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#43 Posted by realguitarhero5 (4213 posts) -

There's not much to complain about, just... why did they put a speaker on the controller?  The Wii did that and the speaker just sucked.  Really tinny and wasn't used to much good.

One of the things I am scared of with the PS4 is really expensive controllers.  I think no more than $60 for a controller, please.

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#44 Posted by naju890_963 (8954 posts) -

Nice post, loved the specs comparison. I think gamers play on consoles because they think that PC gaming is hard to set up and tend to shy away from it.

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#45 Posted by BadMonk (318 posts) -
Thanks!!! Great post & the comparison gfx are great!! :)
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#46 Posted by new_gamer244 (338 posts) -

4K gaming will be 60 fps only in 2020+

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#47 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

That is such a good and easy to read thread, thank you TC

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#48 Posted by harkonan698 (25 posts) -
If I have Battlefield 4 for PS3 and my friend has Battlefield 4 for PS4, will we be able to play together online?
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#49 Posted by Powen001 (25 posts) -
Forgive me if this was already asked ...WILL THE PS4 be compatible with existing PS3 games?
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#50 Posted by robbie80 (988 posts) -
Forgive me if this was already asked ...WILL THE PS4 be compatible with existing PS3 games?Powen001
no they. Won't work just keep your ps3 and you be fine.