MGS4 won't run at 60fps.

I believe it's highly unlikely. I've been keeping a close eye on the MGS4 graphics engine since the begining. Everything has to do with motion blur.

There are 2 types of real time motion blur. The first kind is used only for camera movement. Some games that use it are, Uncharted, Halo 3, Rainbow 6 Vegas (360), and UT3,

The second kind is used on ALL movement on screen. Some games that use this are, Lost Planet, Crysis, PDZ, Motorstorm, The Club, and Killzone 2.

All of these games run at 30fps or less. A good example of this is Gran Turismo 5. The in game frame rate is 60fps, but once you watch the replay you'll notice that motion blur is added at the expense of frame rate (which drops to 30fps).

The first trailer for MGS4 ran at 60fps, and didn't have motion blur. The first MGS trailer to have any type of motion blur was the at GC06. The part where the militia are fighting against the Gekous had motion blur on camera movements.

A month later at TGS06, the first gameplay trailer showed motion blur when the camera was in first person mode.

Last year at the MGS 20th Anniversary party, Kojima showed the first playable demo of MGS4. The only sign of motion blur was when the player switched to first person view. Metal Gear Mk. II also had motion blur when switching to first person person view mode. The motion blur in this demonstration was still only used on camera movement only.

It stayed the same for over a year. At CES08 the new build of MGS4 has motion blur on ALL animations. An HD video of the demo can be seen here. http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_5908_1_en.htm

It seems like Kojima has been trying long and hard to get motion blur in this game. I personally think it looks great. It looks more life-like, and I'd perfer 30fps with motion blur over 60fps any day. MGS3 ran at 30fps and didn't effect the gameplay at all. I haven't seen a game to this day that runs at 60fps with motion blur, so I think it's pretty safe to say that this game won't either.

Old news is old.

The game will go between 30-60fps depending on the action on the screen. Still will be an amzing game.

THe graphics look horrible. WHy did he spend 1 year on the opening scene insted of graphics. I mean it Kojima better make this game good. Suliman-Uchia

Man are you kidding me? This game is looking just fine. One of the best looking games coming out.

The opening scene wasn't done by Kojima's team. It was done by a company named Logan.

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

THe graphics look horrible. WHy did he spend 1 year on the opening scene insted of graphics. I mean it Kojima better make this game good. Suliman-Uchia

Judging from what we've seen on the game, MGS4 will easily be the best looking console game when it is released (imo). I'm thinking a lot of people downplay how good it looks because they compare it to games such as KZ2 and FFXIII which won't come out for another 5+ months after MGS4. Even then, MGS4 still looks good compared to those two, just not as good.

THe graphics look horrible. WHy did he spend 1 year on the opening scene insted of graphics. I mean it Kojima better make this game good. Suliman-Uchia

You sir, are a (insert the worst thing you can say without getting moderated).

And Kojima don't really care about greaphics anyway, he's is one of the only few developers to focus on the game's GAMEPLAY, STORY AND AUDIO instead of graphics.god_of_shawn

....Audio.....MUST HAVE!

Come on Harry Gregson Williams!

I believe it's highly unlikely. I've been keeping a close eye on the MGS4 graphics engine since the begining. Everything has to do with motion blur.

There are 2 types of real time motion blur. The first kind is used only for camera movement. Some games that use it are, Uncharted, Halo 3, Rainbow 6 Vegas (360), and UT3,

The second kind is used on ALL movement on screen. Some games that use this are, Lost Planet, Crysis, PDZ, Motorstorm, The Club, and Killzone 2.

All of these games run at 30fps or less. A good example of this is Gran Turismo 5. The in game frame rate is 60fps, but once you watch the replay you'll notice that motion blur is added at the expense of frame rate (which drops to 30fps).

The first trailer for MGS4 ran at 60fps, and didn't have motion blur. The first MGS trailer to have any type of motion blur was the at GC06. The part where the militia are fighting against the Gekous had motion blur on camera movements.

A month later at TGS06, the first gameplay trailer showed motion blur when the camera was in first person mode.

Last year at the MGS 20th Anniversary party, Kojima showed the first playable demo of MGS4. The only sign of motion blur was when the player switched to first person view. Metal Gear Mk. II also had motion blur when switching to first person person view mode. The motion blur in this demonstration was still only used on camera movement only.

It stayed the same for over a year. At CES08 the new build of MGS4 has motion blur on ALL animations. An HD video of the demo can be seen here. http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_5908_1_en.htm

It seems like Kojima has been trying long and hard to get motion blur in this game. I personally think it looks great. It looks more life-like, and I'd perfer 30fps with motion blur over 60fps any day. MGS3 ran at 30fps and didn't effect the gameplay at all. I haven't seen a game to this day that runs at 60fps with motion blur, so I think it's pretty safe to say that this game won't either.

sushiboyyyy

I CAN'T HEAR YOU*PLUGS EARS*LALALALAALALALALALA

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Symphonycometh

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

hazelnutman

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

It's exactly why I laugh at those anime noobs that say that

"All subbed sucks". I mean, when the dubbed says stuff like that link, how do you compare?

[QUOTE="Suliman-Uchia"]THe graphics look horrible. WHy did he spend 1 year on the opening scene insted of graphics. I mean it Kojima better make this game good. hazelnutman

You sir, are a (insert the worst thing you can say without getting moderated).

You should just go ahead and say the worst thing you can say without getting moderated. If it's the worst thing you can say WITHOUT getting moderated, you can't be moderated. You should have told us to insert the worst thing you can say period.

most games dont run 60fps. resistance doesnt, uncharted doesnt, heaenly sword doesnt, the only game i have that does is ninja gaiden sigma.

not a big deal, 60 fps is a luxery.

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Symphonycometh

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

It's exactly why I laugh at those anime noobs that say that

"All subbed sucks". I mean, when the dubbed says stuff like that link, how do you compare?

would you please tell me what he said in the japanese version? i have been watching the series in english only everyweek and would like to know if its not to much trouble. Oh and about the fps it looks good with motion blur ganna be a beautiful game.

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Symphonycometh

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

It's exactly why I laugh at those anime noobs that say that

"All subbed sucks". I mean, when the dubbed says stuff like that link, how do you compare?

YES! I have been telling people that for years!

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="hazelnutman"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Roman_Irishman

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

It's exactly why I laugh at those anime noobs that say that

"All subbed sucks". I mean, when the dubbed says stuff like that link, how do you compare?

YES! I have been telling people that for years!

:D Thanks. Sadly, United kids of America prefer sub-par acting for the sake of English. Now I love me some dub...when it's actually good, like FMA, but when people defend Death Note's dubbed...I can only think:

Have you never heard L's and Light's Japanese voice?

THe graphics look horrible. WHy did he spend 1 year on the opening scene insted of graphics. I mean it Kojima better make this game good. Suliman-Uchia

ya we all know graphics make the game. *rolls eyes*

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="hazelnutman"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Strife037

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

It's exactly why I laugh at those anime noobs that say that

"All subbed sucks". I mean, when the dubbed says stuff like that link, how do you compare?

would you please tell me what he said in the japanese version? i have been watching the series in english only everyweek and would like to know if its not to much trouble. Oh and about the fps it looks good with motion blur ganna be a beautiful game.

He essentially states the same thing, only he sounds cool and collected and doesn't have that insane breathing the dubbed was doing.

Here's a 39 second sample of that incident. Hope it helps. I'll PM ya if you don't get this message.

[QUOTE="Roman_Irishman"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="hazelnutman"][QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Symphonycometh

Oh my goodness...

Your link made me laugh so hard.

I"LL TAKE A POTATO CHIP.... AND EAT IT!!!

It's exactly why I laugh at those anime noobs that say that

"All subbed sucks". I mean, when the dubbed says stuff like that link, how do you compare?

YES! I have been telling people that for years!

:D Thanks. Sadly, United kids of America prefer sub-par acting for the sake of English. Now I love me some dub...when it's actually good, like FMA, but when people defend Death Note's dubbed...I can only think:

Have you never heard L's and Light's Japanese voice?

Yup I know just what you mean.

Still looks SICK, I dont care what you say dude... Ur sounding a bit negative, nyways, still gettin itAnti-Nerd_Gamer

What? I said the game looks better now than it did since they added motion blur? Did you even read the first post?

I CAN'T HEAR YOU*PLUGS EARS*LALALALAALALALALALA

I think you should thrust your eyes instead, because even without your ears you can see this!!!! lol :)

I believe it's highly unlikely. I've been keeping a close eye on the MGS4 graphics engine since the begining. Everything has to do with motion blur.

There are 2 types of real time motion blur. The first kind is used only for camera movement. Some games that use it are, Uncharted, Halo 3, Rainbow 6 Vegas (360), and UT3,

The second kind is used on ALL movement on screen. Some games that use this are, Lost Planet, Crysis, PDZ, Motorstorm, The Club, and Killzone 2.

All of these games run at 30fps or less. A good example of this is Gran Turismo 5. The in game frame rate is 60fps, but once you watch the replay you'll notice that motion blur is added at the expense of frame rate (which drops to 30fps).

The first trailer for MGS4 ran at 60fps, and didn't have motion blur. The first MGS trailer to have any type of motion blur was the at GC06. The part where the militia are fighting against the Gekous had motion blur on camera movements.

sushiboyyyy

I think you might be mistaking depth perception with motion blur.

Crysis, Killzone, MGS4 are some of the games I know of that do depth perception.

It does take some fps away, but really as long as the game stays above 30 fps no matter what, does it matter? Not really. (to some yes)

MGS4 does use some motion blur in the game also.

why are people whining about 60fps all the time. It's like saying my Nissan GTR doesn't do 0-60 in 2 sec.

[QUOTE="sushiboyyyy"]

I believe it's highly unlikely. I've been keeping a close eye on the MGS4 graphics engine since the begining. Everything has to do with motion blur.

There are 2 types of real time motion blur. The first kind is used only for camera movement. Some games that use it are, Uncharted, Halo 3, Rainbow 6 Vegas (360), and UT3,

The second kind is used on ALL movement on screen. Some games that use this are, Lost Planet, Crysis, PDZ, Motorstorm, The Club, and Killzone 2.

All of these games run at 30fps or less. A good example of this is Gran Turismo 5. The in game frame rate is 60fps, but once you watch the replay you'll notice that motion blur is added at the expense of frame rate (which drops to 30fps).

The first trailer for MGS4 ran at 60fps, and didn't have motion blur. The first MGS trailer to have any type of motion blur was the at GC06. The part where the militia are fighting against the Gekous had motion blur on camera movements.

RahKayne

I think you might be mistaking depth perception with motion blur.

Crysis, Killzone, MGS4 are some of the games I know of that do depth perception.

It does take some fps away, but really as long as the game stays above 30 fps no matter what, does it matter? Not really. (to some yes)

MGS4 does use some motion blur in the game also.

why are people whining about 60fps all the time. It's like saying my Nissan GTR doesn't do 0-60 in 2 sec.

No. What you're talking about is Depth of Field. Where images in the foreground or background are blurred due to the camera's focus. Just watch the video I posted. I'm pretty sure you'll notice. Thats why I posted the pics. I thought people would understand. THIS is motion blur.

This is Depth of Field

I think this picture might have been the one that threw you off.

If you watch this shot in the TGS06 trailer, you'll notice that the blur occurs only when snake is moving. Just watch the video. You'll see.

The real question is will it run at 1080p natively. Is this confirmed yet, or have I been under a rock?phoenix009

30ps or 60fps.... motion blur or not.... will get this game upon release because its gonna be GREAT !!!!!!

PSN ID: anubis1980

30fps or 60fps...who cares...this game is gonna be crazy!!

...and confusing :P

THe graphics look horrible. WHy did he spend 1 year on the opening scene insted of graphics. I mean it Kojima better make this game good. Suliman-Uchia

those graphics are amazing man what you smoking

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

Symphonycometh

hahaha, i laughed so much when i saw that on tv XD

Wait, you seriously prefer 30fps with motion blur than 60fps? Go play perfect dark zero on the 360. That game defined motion blur. If you seriously like how that is and don't get a headache, then alright. But quite frankily, having motion blur on every single thing going on gives people headaches. I like games lifelike, and without all that blur.hazuki

motion blur (if used correctly) makes game more realistic as fast moving pbjects are a blur and not a mesh of frames satrewn together. Crysis's motion blur is fine..........

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]

"Just watch me, L. I'll solve equations with my right hand, and write names with my left! I'll take a potato chip... and eat it!"

There's a reason why hardcore anime watchers prefer Death Note's subbed.:)

firebreathing

hahaha, i laughed so much when i saw that on tv XD

I don't watch TV (Insert WTFluff comments here.) but when I heard the cooler Japanese version months before, I had to see what the already misplaced dubbed did to the scene. :lol: And it was GRAND! :lol: