Does anyone else feel GTA IV is NOT being pushed to the limit??

GTA is a great game, but with the decision to go multi-platform from the get-go, I feel they are not taking full advantage of the blu-ray disk, because GTA IV won't be as big as San Andreas and missing some things I feel could have been have been added if it was only a PS3 exclusive (timed).

This is where I got some information.... http://news.spong.com/article/12263

GTA is a great game, but with the decision to go multi-platform from the get-go, I feel they are not taking full advantage of the blu-ray disk, because GTA IV won't be as big as San Andreas and missing some things I feel could have been have been added if it was only a PS3 exclusive (timed).

This is where I got some information.... http://news.spong.com/article/12263

JahRoc876

sorry didnt know the font was so big

They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. Mordred19

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. mjarantilla

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

I don't really know if it's a blu-ray/ dvd issue or what.  Simply put, the game isn't very graphically impressive.  The character models just seem plain fugly too. 

Just an opinion, and as we're each entitled to our own, don't bite my head off :)

Cheers,

- C 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. jdt532

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

there was another post about this earlier and my reply was and still is

just sucks that PS suffer cuz they have to dumb it down for 360

there was another post about this earlier and my reply was and still is

just sucks that PS suffer cuz they have to dumb it down for 360

dstryr13

BOy you fanboys really crack me up.

1st the game being in 1 city has NOTHING to do with it being on the 360 and DVD9. 2nd I bet if it were PS3 exclusive it would still be the same length with NOTHING extra. Stop trying to justify games not being 400+ hours long just because the PS3 uses BR. Game developers aren't going to make longer games just because they can. Medium is just a way to get the games on the consoles and has nothing to do with length.

there was another post about this earlier and my reply was and still is

just sucks that PS suffer cuz they have to dumb it down for 360

dstryr13

I guess we can blame Kutaragi/Sony?:(:cry:

"We've learned that Take-Two and Rockstar Games were interested in continuing their longtime relationship with Sony, in which they premiered their Grand Theft Auto games on PlayStation platforms exclusively for 6-12 months before bringing them to other systems. Also, Ubisoft was interested in making Assassin's Creed, due in stores next spring, exclusive to the PS3. But neither company's top executives--all extremely important figures in the games industry--could get an answer from Kutaragi."

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. mjarantilla

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. jdt532

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

What a stupid topic. How can anyone make any judgements about GTA:IV when all anyone has seen is a 30 second trailer? Give me a freaking break. Could have put in new features? More dialog? Better textures? Who here has actually seen enough of the game to be able to start saying what they should have done?

Post this again in December when you might be able to speak intelligently about it.

GTA is a great game, but with the decision to go multi-platform from the get-go, I feel they are not taking full advantage of the blu-ray disk, because GTA IV won't be as big as San Andreas and missing some things I feel could have been have been added if it was only a PS3 exclusive (timed).

 

This is where I got some information.... http://news.spong.com/article/12263

JahRoc876

Of course it isn't going to live up to it's full potential if it were a PS3 exclusive. If you want major content in a GTA like game you're going to have to settle for "The Getaway." As is going to be the case with all simultaneous releases or ports, the game will not fully utilize the PS3's potential and power.

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. mjarantilla

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

I wish it would be alot bigger, blu-ray wouldve enabled that for sure...but from being multiplat it has to be limited to so many things like physics, AI, graphics, aerial etc....Goku004

In which case it has to be dumbed down because of the PS3. Everyone knows that its harder to program for so to make it on par with the 360 all version have to be dumbed down.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. jdt532

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

Or more likely you're blinded by Sony and hang on there everyone word. GOW might be a shorter game than one would have liked but it had NOTHING to do with it being on DVD. Medium isn't a reason to expand a game or make it bigger. The devs have a game concept in mind that just grows from there. The medium doesn't even come into play at that point. BR works for movies and Sony wants you to believe it's necessary for games but the fact is that it's not necessary. Medium has NOTHING to do with the lenght of games. Stop trying to use the lack of BR has a reason for short or crappy ports.

Sony is NOT GOD. They're just another greedy company just like MS.

Gamers who think that DVD9 is holding games back have no clue about game development. Plain & simple

I guess PC games are held back because they ship on DVD9s too   :roll:

I'd rather have a smaller city(isn't it like only 30% smaller than SA anyway?) with much more depth in the city. I'm more amped to see how the Euphoria system will work into GTA...

GTA:SA was a huge game and didn't even require a dual layer DVD.  There is plenty of space on a DVD-9 disc for GTA4.b11051973

Yes but you're forgetting that was a last gen game, with all the more realistic graphics and cgi rendered videos not to mention the audio it would fill up a dvd relatively fast this generation even with compression.

[QUOTE="b11051973"]GTA:SA was a huge game and didn't even require a dual layer DVD.  There is plenty of space on a DVD-9 disc for GTA4.mmirza23

Yes but you're forgetting that was a last gen game, with all the more realistic graphics and cgi rendered videos not to mention the audio it would fill up a dvd relatively fast this generation even with compression.

The GTA series has never used CGI videos. Heck, even the trailer used the in-game engine.

[QUOTE="mmirza23"]

[QUOTE="b11051973"]GTA:SA was a huge game and didn't even require a dual layer DVD.  There is plenty of space on a DVD-9 disc for GTA4.LosDaddie

Yes but you're forgetting that was a last gen game, with all the more realistic graphics and cgi rendered videos not to mention the audio it would fill up a dvd relatively fast this generation even with compression.

The GTA series has never used CGI videos. Heck, even the trailer used the in-game engine.

Yeah I know that but I was speaking in general terms, to be specific for GTA it'll fit in a dvd9 but it will take up a heck of alot more space than SA

Agreed.

I believe only games that rely heavily on CGI vids will need more than a DVD9.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. mjarantilla

no GTA game ever sold over 10 million ... not even 5

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. kingtito

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

Or more likely you're blinded by Sony and hang on there everyone word. GOW might be a shorter game than one would have liked but it had NOTHING to do with it being on DVD. Medium isn't a reason to expand a game or make it bigger. The devs have a game concept in mind that just grows from there. The medium doesn't even come into play at that point. BR works for movies and Sony wants you to believe it's necessary for games but the fact is that it's not necessary. Medium has NOTHING to do with the lenght of games. Stop trying to use the lack of BR has a reason for short or crappy ports.

Sony is NOT GOD. They're just another greedy company just like MS.

 compression sacrafices quality.with BD developers dont need to do that

 compression sacrafices quality.with BD developers dont need to do that

coolasj19

Compression also speed up load times.

Why do you think games like RR7 and Oblivion install multiple GBs onto the PS3's HDD?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. coolasj19

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

Or more likely you're blinded by Sony and hang on there everyone word. GOW might be a shorter game than one would have liked but it had NOTHING to do with it being on DVD. Medium isn't a reason to expand a game or make it bigger. The devs have a game concept in mind that just grows from there. The medium doesn't even come into play at that point. BR works for movies and Sony wants you to believe it's necessary for games but the fact is that it's not necessary. Medium has NOTHING to do with the lenght of games. Stop trying to use the lack of BR has a reason for short or crappy ports.

Sony is NOT GOD. They're just another greedy company just like MS.

compression sacrafices quality.with BD developers dont need to do that

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. coolasj19

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

Or more likely you're blinded by Sony and hang on there everyone word. GOW might be a shorter game than one would have liked but it had NOTHING to do with it being on DVD. Medium isn't a reason to expand a game or make it bigger. The devs have a game concept in mind that just grows from there. The medium doesn't even come into play at that point. BR works for movies and Sony wants you to believe it's necessary for games but the fact is that it's not necessary. Medium has NOTHING to do with the lenght of games. Stop trying to use the lack of BR has a reason for short or crappy ports.

Sony is NOT GOD. They're just another greedy company just like MS.

compression sacrafices quality.with BD developers dont need to do that

GTA:SA was a huge game and didn't even require a dual layer DVD.  There is plenty of space on a DVD-9 disc for GTA4.b11051973

LMAO yes it did WTF are you talking about...it needed a dual layer and it was still a bit choppy for both versions more so on PS2 but still, and I think GTA IV could be better if it were a PS3 exclusive, let's jus see wat happens wit Getaway 3 and I will still be pickin up GTA IV cuz it'll b a sick game.

[QUOTE="coolasj19"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. mjarantilla

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

Or more likely you're blinded by Sony and hang on there everyone word. GOW might be a shorter game than one would have liked but it had NOTHING to do with it being on DVD. Medium isn't a reason to expand a game or make it bigger. The devs have a game concept in mind that just grows from there. The medium doesn't even come into play at that point. BR works for movies and Sony wants you to believe it's necessary for games but the fact is that it's not necessary. Medium has NOTHING to do with the lenght of games. Stop trying to use the lack of BR has a reason for short or crappy ports.

Sony is NOT GOD. They're just another greedy company just like MS.

compression sacrafices quality.with BD developers dont need to do that

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. coolasj19

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....

Or more likely you're blinded by Sony and hang on there everyone word. GOW might be a shorter game than one would have liked but it had NOTHING to do with it being on DVD. Medium isn't a reason to expand a game or make it bigger. The devs have a game concept in mind that just grows from there. The medium doesn't even come into play at that point. BR works for movies and Sony wants you to believe it's necessary for games but the fact is that it's not necessary. Medium has NOTHING to do with the lenght of games. Stop trying to use the lack of BR has a reason for short or crappy ports.

Sony is NOT GOD. They're just another greedy company just like MS.

compression sacrafices quality.with BD developers dont need to do that

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. jdt532

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

Proof is in the pudding as it were there are no games from either company sitting on shelves so all you have to go by with that claim is developer promises and screen shots.   

Gamers who think that DVD9 is holding games back have no clue about game development. Plain & simple

I guess PC games are held back because they ship on DVD9s too :roll:

LosDaddie

If you ever hear anyone say "Blu-Ray isn't needed this generation", rest assured they don't make games for a livingBrian Hastings

Blu-Ray is too small for MGS4Hideo Kojima

I think you xbox fans need to quit trying to say BR isn't needed cause you're just making a fool of yourself. ACTUAL game developers say BR is needed and Xbox fanboys say otherwise hmm who should I believe?......

[QUOTE="b11051973"]GTA:SA was a huge game and didn't even require a dual layer DVD.  There is plenty of space on a DVD-9 disc for GTA4.G-Legend

LMAO yes it did WTF are you talking about...it needed a dual layer and it was still a bit choppy for both versions more so on PS2 but still, and I think GTA IV could be better if it were a PS3 exclusive, let's jus see wat happens wit Getaway 3 and I will still be pickin up GTA IV cuz it'll b a sick game.

Actually that's not true. It's a myth. GTA SA never need a DVD9.

Listen to the new HotSpot and they confirm that GTA SA didn't need a DVD9.

 

I think you xbox fans need to quit trying to say BR isn't needed cause you're just making a fool of yourself. ACTUAL game developers say BR is needed and Xbox fanboys say otherwise hmm who should I believe?......

jdt532

Try finding a source that doesn't develop games exclusively for Sony.

[QUOTE="jdt532"]

 

I think you xbox fans need to quit trying to say BR isn't needed cause you're just making a fool of yourself. ACTUAL game developers say BR is needed and Xbox fanboys say otherwise hmm who should I believe?......

LosDaddie

Try finding a source that doesn't develop games exclusively for Sony.

That's the best you can is call these guys liars?... lame If Hideo Kojima says MGS4 will be over 25GB I'll believe him every time over you. Keep living in your happy shinny world thinking DVDs are good enough for next gen. games cause Bill Gates says so.... 

first of all Kojima isnt a dev exclusive to SONY

so there is one major dev who is an ICON in the business

he can give his game to whoever he wants yet he still always chooses SONY cuz he knows that BD is helping to make a big difference with MGS4

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="jdt532"]

 

I think you xbox fans need to quit trying to say BR isn't needed cause you're just making a fool of yourself. ACTUAL game developers say BR is needed and Xbox fanboys say otherwise hmm who should I believe?......

jdt532

Try finding a source that doesn't develop games exclusively for Sony.

That's the best you can is call these guys liars?... lame If Hideo Kojima says MGS4 will be over 25GB I'll believe him every time over you. Keep living in your happy shinny world thinking DVDs are good enough for next gen. games cause Bill Gates says so.... 

to busy with his head in bill's lap to see the real world, the truth

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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]They could have fit more spoken dialougue, alternate cutscenes, more music tracks, multiple storylines, multiple endings, that sort of thing. jdt532

and yet for some odd reason Sony first party devs and third party devs like Squre-Enix and Konami are making games that use the potential of BR and they aren't saying anything about it costing 100 million+..... interesting.

First these developers are making these games you claim are impossible due to budgets so they obviously crunched the numbers and feel they can make these games and still make allot of profit so that fact alone makes this argument a non issue. Lets say for the sake of argument that these games do cost 50 million, even if developers only make a $30 profit on each game they will only need to sell 1,666,666 copies of the game to break even. Obviously MGS4 and FFXIII will sell way more copies than that so those games will make very good profits even if they do cost 50 million to make. Also you're forgetting the fact that as developers get more efficient making games on the PS3 development costs will steadily go down over time.

No evidence that YOU can see or you choose not to admit the benefits of BR because you own a 360 and don't want to admit BR can be a benefit. IMO Games like MGS4, FFXIII, Ratchet and Clank, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and more are all examples of how BR can benefit games. None of the games I mentioned would fit on one DVD and if they were ported to the Xbox 360 obviously sacrifices would have to be made to fit these games on one DVD or put the game on multiple DVDs. Why do you refuse to see that BR can benefit games? I'm not denying there are some great 360 games on one DVD but you can't deny that games can't benefit from the extra capacity of BR... They can have Huge detailed levels and not just 5 to 7 levels but 15+ so games on the PS3 can be bigger and longer. You keep saying developers can't afford to make bigger, longer games but I disagree because these games are being made right now for the PS3 so obviously developers can afford it....