Volcanic Island (Radeon HD 9000 series) reveal this September

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#1 FireEmblem_Man
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Looks like AMD will finally show off their Radeon HD 9970 and 9950 this september. No release date has been confirmed yet.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/amd-radeon-hd-9970-and-hd-9950-tipped-for-september-reveal/0117971

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#2 TwistedShade
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I noticed the article said it would still fall short of Nvidia's Titan. Shouldn't the next gen GPU's (Maxwell/Volcanic Islands) be atleast double the performance of these current offerings? Either way given my recently problems maybe it'll just be smarter waiting until these launch.

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#3 lhughey
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I noticed the article said it would still fall short of Nvidia's Titan. Shouldn't the next gen GPU's (Maxwell/Volcanic Islands) be atleast double the performance of these current offerings? Either way given my recently problems maybe it'll just be smarter waiting until these launch.

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Why would a company double performance when you can keep adding 15-20% increments? Save your double performance offerings for the super high priced offerings.
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#4 TwistedShade
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[QUOTE="TwistedShade"]

I noticed the article said it would still fall short of Nvidia's Titan. Shouldn't the next gen GPU's (Maxwell/Volcanic Islands) be atleast double the performance of these current offerings? Either way given my recently problems maybe it'll just be smarter waiting until these launch.

lhughey

Why would a company double performance when you can keep adding 15-20% increments? Save your double performance offerings for the super high priced offerings.

Well everyone's been saying that next year Maxwell is supposed to be the *Huge* upgrade so I assumed AMD would be following suit.

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I noticed the article said it would still fall short of Nvidia's Titan. Shouldn't the next gen GPU's (Maxwell/Volcanic Islands) be atleast double the performance of these current offerings?

TwistedShade

Not double but new architecture usually results in a 40-65% boost whic his huge (I hope this isn't true, the 9970 should beat the Titan and the 9950 should at least match a gtx 780).

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#6 mastershake575
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Why would a company double performance when you can keep adding 15-20% increments? Save your double performance offerings for the super high priced offerings.lhughey
I think your a little confused at what he's trying to say. The volanic island is new architecture + a die shrink (20nm). As a result it would be nearly impossible to get only a 15-20% increase (you can't add new architecture/die shrink and only get 15-20%). The performance boost with new achitecture is usually 40-60%

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#7 lhughey
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[QUOTE="lhughey"] Why would a company double performance when you can keep adding 15-20% increments? Save your double performance offerings for the super high priced offerings.mastershake575

I think your a little confused at what he's trying to say. The volanic island is new architecture + a die shrink (20nm). As a result it would be nearly impossible to get only a 15-20% increase (you can't add new architecture/die shrink and only get 15-20%). The performance boost with new achitecture is usually 40-60%

I agree that a new architecture SHOULD be a big jump. But companies have gotten even more greedy over the years.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them disable some shaders or pipelines then enable them in a "refresh".

I am prepared to be disappointed.

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#8 blaznwiipspman1
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beating a titan will be easy work for the 9970/9950.  I expect 10-15% faster than the titan at stock clocks, faster when overclocked.  The 9950 will probably be closer to a titan in performance.

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I noticed the article said it would still fall short of Nvidia's Titan. Shouldn't the next gen GPU's (Maxwell/Volcanic Islands) be atleast double the performance of these current offerings? Either way given my recently problems maybe it'll just be smarter waiting until these launch.

TwistedShade

Exactly my thought. How would this card not beat a Titan? That part didn't make any sense.

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Titan is a 1000$ card, should take awhile before a 500/550 card can beat it. It would be nice to see the 9970 beat it though.
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#11 TwistedShade
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Titan is a 1000$ card, should take awhile before a 500/550 card can beat it. It would be nice to see the 9970 beat it though. horgen123
To be fair a 650$ "Current" card almost beats it. I honestly would be surprised if they can't.

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#12 LordEC911
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If the card is being released in Sept/Oct, it is extremely unlikely it is on 20nm.

Also, this is the first source that has stated Hawaii is slower than Titan...

Also, Maxwell may not neccessarily be a huge jump in gaming performance, the charts people are talking about is DP/w.
GM100/110 is clearly going to be a very large compute orientated chip with a lot of focus on power consumption. 

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I thought 20nm cards were due for late 2013/early 2014. The 7000 series is getting close to two years old and we're still on 28nm?

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#14 LordEC911
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I thought 20nm cards were due for late 2013/early 2014. The 7000 series is getting close to two years old and we're still on 28nm?

6_Dead_360s

Volume mass production of 20nm doesn't ramp until Q1 '14.
Risk production of 20nm is currently happening but you generally don't launch GPUs unless the process has been greenlighted, ie ramping mass production. 

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#15 Neurotic_X
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Giddy. Can't wait. :]