Upgrade to 3570K from 2310?

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#1 Posted by homeboylizard (1289 posts) -

if you plan overclocking i guess yes otherwise i dont see a reason to upgrade from one corei5 to another core i5 for 0-10% performance gain in games,adamosmaki
I do plan on overclocking,at least to 4.2 GHz.

Your i5-2310 is not bottlenecking your 7950. 04dcarraher

Pretty sure it is. CPU is under constant 95%-99%, while the 7950 rarely breaks 60% under stock clocks, and it's normmaly around 50%.

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#2 Posted by homeboylizard (1289 posts) -

After upgrading my GTX 570 to a 7950 due to heat and noise problems I found out that my CPU is bottlenecking the 7950 in some CPU heavy games, like BF 3 MP.

Now, my next upgrade is going to be a CPU upgrade, and I think that the 3570k is the best choice for lga 1555 because not many games use the extra 4 threads of a 3770K.

So, is the upgrade worth it, and another big question!

If I do get the 3570k, is it worth getting a watercooling kit if I plan on some overclocking (4.6Ghz?) I already have a Thermaltake Contac 30 heatsink for my 2310, and watercooling seems like a difficult task.

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#3 Posted by 04dcarraher (22831 posts) -

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] if you plan overclocking i guess yes otherwise i dont see a reason to upgrade from one corei5 to another core i5 for 0-10% performance gain in games,homeboylizard

I do plan on overclocking,at least to 4.2 GHz.

Your i5-2310 is not bottlenecking your 7950. 04dcarraher

Pretty sure it is. CPU is under constant 95%-99%, while the 7950 rarely breaks 60% under stock clocks, and it's normmaly around 50%.

Its not bottlenecking, Even a Athlon 2 X4 645 does not bottleneck a 7970 at 1080 enough to even worry about. Also the Going from a GTX 570 to 7950 with boost in BF3 your only going to see 5 fps average higher. And with Skyrim only 3-4 fps higher average. What resolution are you running at?

Ive seen i3's handling a GTX 680, and even 7970's doing more then 70 FPS average at 1080 with BF3 64 MP.

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#4 Posted by adamosmaki (10566 posts) -

After upgrading my GTX 570 to a 7950 due to heat and noise problems I found out that my CPU is bottlenecking the 7950 in some CPU heavy games, like BF 3 MP.

Now, my next upgrade is going to be a CPU upgrade, and I think that the 3570k is the best choice for lga 1555 because not many games use the extra 4 threads of a 3770K.

So, is the upgrade worth it, and another big question!

If I do get the 3570k, is it worth getting a watercooling kit if I plan on some overclocking (4.6Ghz?) I already have a Thermaltake Contac 30 heatsink for my 2310, and watercooling seems like a difficult task.

homeboylizard
if you plan overclocking i guess yes otherwise i dont see a reason to upgrade from one corei5 to another core i5 for 0-10% performance gain in games,
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#5 Posted by 04dcarraher (22831 posts) -
Your i5-2310 is not bottlenecking your 7950.
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#6 Posted by Elann2008 (33028 posts) -

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="homeboylizard"]

Pretty sure it is. CPU is under constant 95%-99%, while the 7950 rarely breaks 60% under stock clocks, and it's normmaly around 50%.

homeboylizard

Its not bottlenecking, Even a Athlon 2 X4 645 does not bottleneck a 7970 at 1080 enough to even worry about. Also the Going from a GTX 570 to 7950 with boost in BF3 your only going to see 5 fps average higher. And with Skyrim only 3-4 fps higher average. What resolution are you running at?

Ive seen i3's handling a GTX 680, and even 7970's doing more then 70 FPS average at 1080 with BF3 64 MP.

I'm running 1080P with 2x MSAA. Getting 40-50FPS with 64P Conquest...but my card is never above 60%. The same for Skyrim. It's still good for now, but with next-gen games coming, I just want to get my rig ready. Still, it's going to be 2-3 moths away from the upgrade.

The performance for 1080p, 2-4xAA, Ultra Quality settings is dead on. I'm not sure what you were expecting but that about matches up with most reviews with better CPUs than the i5-2310. At this point, you're better off waiting for Haswell or whatever is after that. Unless you're getting a GTX Titan or something greater, there's really no need.

Further research will tell you that AMD GPUs has not done well with BF3.  Even the mighty 7970 launch struggled with BF3 until better drivers came out.  Even the 7950 trailed the GTX 580 due to drivers.

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#7 Posted by Elann2008 (33028 posts) -
An i5-2310 is better paired with a 660ti or 7870 but I can't imagine it bottle-necking a 7950 by much in certain games. Also depends on your resolution, which I assume you're playing at the standard 1080p. Hell, some people still use their i7-860 for gaming and felt no need to upgrade to SB or IB.
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#8 Posted by homeboylizard (1289 posts) -

[QUOTE="homeboylizard"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] I do plan on overclocking,at least to 4.2 GHz.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Your i5-2310 is not bottlenecking your 7950. 04dcarraher

Pretty sure it is. CPU is under constant 95%-99%, while the 7950 rarely breaks 60% under stock clocks, and it's normmaly around 50%.

Its not bottlenecking, Even a Athlon 2 X4 645 does not bottleneck a 7970 at 1080 enough to even worry about. Also the Going from a GTX 570 to 7950 with boost in BF3 your only going to see 5 fps average higher. And with Skyrim only 3-4 fps higher average. What resolution are you running at?

Ive seen i3's handling a GTX 680, and even 7970's doing more then 70 FPS average at 1080 with BF3 64 MP.

I'm running 1080P with 2x MSAA. Getting 40-50FPS with 64P Conquest...but my card is never above 60%. The same for Skyrim. It's still good for now, but with next-gen games coming, I just want to get my rig ready. Still, it's going to be 2-3 moths away from the upgrade.
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#10 Posted by blaznwiipspman1 (6736 posts) -

[QUOTE="homeboylizard"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Its not bottlenecking, Even a Athlon 2 X4 645 does not bottleneck a 7970 at 1080 enough to even worry about. Also the Going from a GTX 570 to 7950 with boost in BF3 your only going to see 5 fps average higher. And with Skyrim only 3-4 fps higher average. What resolution are you running at?

Ive seen i3's handling a GTX 680, and even 7970's doing more then 70 FPS average at 1080 with BF3 64 MP.

Elann2008

I'm running 1080P with 2x MSAA. Getting 40-50FPS with 64P Conquest...but my card is never above 60%. The same for Skyrim. It's still good for now, but with next-gen games coming, I just want to get my rig ready. Still, it's going to be 2-3 moths away from the upgrade.

The performance for 1080p, 2-4xAA, Ultra Quality settings is dead on. I'm not sure what you were expecting but that about matches up with most reviews with better CPUs than the i5-2310. At this point, you're better off waiting for Haswell or whatever is after that. Unless you're getting a GTX Titan or something greater, there's really no need.

Further research will tell you that AMD GPUs has not done well with BF3.  Even the mighty 7970 launch struggled with BF3 until better drivers came out.  Even the 7950 trailed the GTX 580 due to drivers.

 

umm, AMD cards are at the top of every bf3 benchmark from the past 8 months

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#11 Posted by Elann2008 (33028 posts) -

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="homeboylizard"] I'm running 1080P with 2x MSAA. Getting 40-50FPS with 64P Conquest...but my card is never above 60%. The same for Skyrim. It's still good for now, but with next-gen games coming, I just want to get my rig ready. Still, it's going to be 2-3 moths away from the upgrade.blaznwiipspman1

The performance for 1080p, 2-4xAA, Ultra Quality settings is dead on. I'm not sure what you were expecting but that about matches up with most reviews with better CPUs than the i5-2310. At this point, you're better off waiting for Haswell or whatever is after that. Unless you're getting a GTX Titan or something greater, there's really no need.

Further research will tell you that AMD GPUs has not done well with BF3.  Even the mighty 7970 launch struggled with BF3 until better drivers came out.  Even the 7950 trailed the GTX 580 due to drivers.

 

umm, AMD cards are at the top of every bf3 benchmark from the past 8 months

Then tell HOmeboylizard why he's getting 40-50fps.
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#12 Posted by Bikouchu35 (8209 posts) -

Shouldnt be hard to o/c to 4ghz-4.4 level.

Try a place with good return policy. Buy that and see you get the gains. Check your board if it works with IB and flash the bios if its not z77.

There isn't any solid MP BF3 benchmark to go by, but some users on the ea board experienced bottleneck from cpu.

The game became much smoother coming from q6700 to 2500k, I know thats not a fair comparison and a 2310 is already good, but you never know.

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#13 Posted by blaznwiipspman1 (6736 posts) -

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

The performance for 1080p, 2-4xAA, Ultra Quality settings is dead on. I'm not sure what you were expecting but that about matches up with most reviews with better CPUs than the i5-2310. At this point, you're better off waiting for Haswell or whatever is after that. Unless you're getting a GTX Titan or something greater, there's really no need.

Further research will tell you that AMD GPUs has not done well with BF3.  Even the mighty 7970 launch struggled with BF3 until better drivers came out.  Even the 7950 trailed the GTX 580 due to drivers.

Elann2008

 

umm, AMD cards are at the top of every bf3 benchmark from the past 8 months

Then tell HOmeboylizard why he's getting 40-50fps.

 

i dunno, i have bf3, beat the game on single player...never really cared to play multiplayer though.  I got like 100fps throughout, with averages well over 80 and the game was on ultra no settings toned down.  It could be multiplayer is more strenuous on the gpu, but im not 100% sure.  I think homeboy would do better if he went to the bf3 forums and did the research over there, it would probably be more useful.

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#14 Posted by C_Rule (9816 posts) -
What motherboard are you using? CPU may be bottlenecking you in BF3, but I wouldn't have though it'd be that significant. With a 3570K @4.5GHz, I get 60-100 fps with the same settings and game type (CPU ~80% load, GPU 90-100% load). Also, how much RAM have you got? BF3 likes to use a decent amount of memory. If you've only got 4GB RAM, grab another 4GB.
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#15 Posted by homeboylizard (1289 posts) -
[QUOTE="C_Rule"]What motherboard are you using? CPU may be bottlenecking you in BF3, but I wouldn't have though it'd be that significant. With a 3570K @4.5GHz, I get 60-100 fps with the same settings and game type (CPU ~80% load, GPU 90-100% load). Also, how much RAM have you got? BF3 likes to use a decent amount of memory. If you've only got 4GB RAM, grab another 4GB.

8GB 1600 (2x4) set in dual channel. And I'm using a Asrock P67 Pro3.
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#16 Posted by gmaster456 (7568 posts) -
I can assure you the 2310 is not bottlenecking you in any meaningful way whatsoever. I can see during my absence the term bottleneck is tossed around just as much.
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#17 Posted by Horgen (116751 posts) -
Upgrading would mean a higher minimum fps though... Anf if you see very high cpu usage in some games, those games will most likely perform better... Much better.
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#18 Posted by homeboylizard (1289 posts) -
So I shouldn't upgrade and get the next wave of lga 1550 CPU's and motherboards?
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#19 Posted by Horgen (116751 posts) -
So I shouldn't upgrade and get the next wave of lga 1550 CPU's and motherboards?homeboylizard
That's for the 4570K... Haswell CPU.
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#20 Posted by Evanlet (25 posts) -
Haswell has a ~10% estimated increase in performance over IB, which has an estimated ~10% increase over SB... If I were you, I'd just swap out the CPU for an 2500k, I have one of those in my older system and it runs beautifully, absolutely love it and it won't bottleneck anything you throw at it. It's also an easy overclocker so you could easily achieve 4.2-4.4 on air with a decent aftermarket cooler and not worry about a thing in regards to it being a bottleneck to your GPU. This way you won't have to buy a new motherboard either, just swap the CPU.