Thief Reboot Jumbo Thread - Story Trailer - (56K take a walk)

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So one thing I would like to know as I never played any Thief game before, is this game going to be first person or third person?

Baranga

First. It may have some transitions to third person, the article isn't clear about that.

I wouldn't mind Deus Ex: HR transaction from first and third person perspective. Can't wait for the game, Thief series are one of the most memorable ones.

   Going into 3rd person when in 'cover mode', like Rainbow Six Vegas, was HORRIBLE and made the game a joke (along with the health regen)

   Sitting behind a wall or something and being able to pan around and scope out the whole scene, while fully protected and unseen, has no place in a Thief game (as it didn't in a supposed tactical shooter) and kills all the tension and difficulty.

  Don't know if that's exactly what is being talked about with this one, but with all the other bs that has come out about this game, I wouldn't be surprised, if so.  

I dont see any steampunk!  or magic!  or Hammerites or Pagans or Machinists!

I really, really hope they don't remove all the fantasy elements from the game.  Part of the charm of the Thief series is that it took place in the medieval lore we are so familiar with in our educations, yet there were these fringe elements that existed in fantasy.

I dont see any steampunk! or magic! or Hammerites or Pagans or Machinists!

I really, really hope they don't remove all the fantasy elements from the game. Part of the charm of the Thief series is that it took place in the medieval lore we are so familiar with in our educations, yet there were these fringe elements that existed in fantasy.

mrbojangles25

New blog article 

They've confirmed that you can get through the game without killing - a huge relief.

Although it makes you wonder why they'd go through the effort of improving the combat then.

That said, there are apparently scalable difficulty options! Can't wait to crank it! 

Things are looking up!  

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[QUOTE="Elann2008"] :(chrisrooR

I dont know what you guys are talking about hitman was a good game. The 3d GPS was NO different than the map you had access to in every other hitman. It showed you the same exact things. Yeah the runaway levels were kind of dumb, and breaking it up into smaller parts wasnt the best idea, but it was still as much of a hitman game as previous installments.

Other than the "escape levels" and levels being in smaller segments, what was so different about absolution? Still felt like hitman. Different, but still had plenty of moments of brilliance.

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I dont know what you guys are talking about hitman was a good game. The 3d GPS was NO different than the map you had access to in every other hitman. It showed you the same exact things. Yeah the runaway levels were kind of dumb, and breaking it up into smaller parts wasnt the best idea, but it was still as much of a hitman game as previous installments.

way2funny

Other than the "escape levels" and levels being in smaller segments, what was so different about absolution? Still felt like hitman. Different, but still had plenty of moments of brilliance.

Looks like a new age Deadly Shadows. I hope they don't mess it up.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="way2funny"]

I dont know what you guys are talking about hitman was a good game. The 3d GPS was NO different than the map you had access to in every other hitman. It showed you the same exact things. Yeah the runaway levels were kind of dumb, and breaking it up into smaller parts wasnt the best idea, but it was still as much of a hitman game as previous installments.

way2funny

Other than the "escape levels" and levels being in smaller segments, what was so different about absolution? Still felt like hitman. Different, but still had plenty of moments of brilliance.

If anyone wants to ask the developers a question you can go here and sign up with Game Informer. I posted mine already:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/03/19/ask-us-your-thief-questions.aspx?CommentPosted=true&SortOrder=desc&PageIndex=1

is it pure stealth or can we defend ourselves like in Dishonoured?KodiakKoolaid

"allowing players to enter combat if they want"

This is what is wrong with 'stealth' games these days. If someone wants to enter combat, why are they playing a goddamn Thief game? Devs shouldn't pander to them like that. Dishonored makes sense because you're this magical assassin (still I always go full stealth in that game), but Garret is just a thief...not a ****ing homicidal ninja warrior. I miss when stealth games punished you for being caught.

I just hope this game turns out to be great, and they don't totally gimp the stealth and what made the originals so good.

I can't help but get excited about this game even if it's way too early. Video games like Thief, Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite, and even new Tomb Raider challenge the video game industry. Thanks to publishers like Take-Two and Square Enix continue to place their trust in these awesome developers. I'll continue to support them with my wallet.Elann2008

Here's a new blog specifically about the Focus mode. 

Its good that its said to be optional. Although the key word in this article is "presently" which could mean changes closer to the release date. I cringe whenever they mention combat and being able to further enhance that. Call me old fashioned but It still doesn't make sense to me. 

Here's a new blog specifically about the Focus mode. 

Its good that its said to be optional. Although the key word in this article is "presently" which could mean changes closer to the release date. I cringe whenever they mention combat and being able to further enhance that. Call me old fashioned but It still doesn't make sense to me. 

biggest_loser

A little bit more information about the camera and the dreaded combat

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="bussinrounds"]  **** this world

BrunoBRS

Well iv only played a theive copy mod called the dark mod for doom 3, a somewhat guidance thingy is needed for some missions, i spent over 5 hours in a single map, hoping you can make custom maps...

"Weve also added an extra layer on top of that to empower the player" 

I don't want to feel empowered in a thief game, or any proper stealth game, it kinda defeats the purpose! I want to feel vulnerable! 

Well, that's another game casualised. :(

Hopefully the game will have options to turn the casual rubbish off, so I can actually enjoy the game with some challenges.

I feel bad that Thief fans have to experience what Fallout fans went through.  Watching witless hacks destroy one of your favorite games sucks, I know.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"] I missed that one. Wow. Are they serious? danygo1996

Well iv only played a theive copy mod called the dark mod for doom 3, a somewhat guidance thingy is needed for some missions, i spent over 5 hours in a single map, hoping you can make custom maps...

I feel bad that Thief fans have to experience what Fallout fans went through.  Watching witless hacks destroy one of your favorite games sucks, I know.

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I'm holding out for like a hardcore mode that strips the features back to what the original games were like. 

A little bit more information about the camera and the dreaded combat

 

biggest_loser

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A little bit more information about the camera and the dreaded combat

 

BrunoBRS

I just hope it ends up better than Deus Ex HR, Tomb Raider and Hitman.

Tomb Raider is awful and Deus Ex is a constant downward spiral. I couldn't finish either.

I just hope it ends up better than Deus Ex HR, Tomb Raider and Hitman.

Tomb Raider is awful and Deus Ex is a constant downward spiral. I couldn't finish either.

Baranga

I just hope it ends up better than Deus Ex HR, Tomb Raider and Hitman.

Tomb Raider is awful and Deus Ex is a constant downward spiral. I couldn't finish either.

Baranga

Absolution was pretty bad, and Tomb Raider was good in my eyes, not amazing but worth playing once.

 What didn't you like about Tomb Raider??

biggest_loser

tl;dr version: it's Uncharted but sh*t. Everything Uncharted does good, TR does worse. Everything Uncharted does bad, TR does worse.

I hate the enemy waves. Shantytown is one of the worst levels of this generation.

Combat needed to be more like in I Am Alive. Have you played that game? It's a bit contrieved but it does the whole survival-and-exploration shtick infinitely better than TR and most other games.

If only you could talk to the monsters... There's a scene where one enemy tries to initiate dialogue. I was so happy! I actually thought the game will pull a U-turn and the bad guys won't be that bad after all :/

I strongly dislike the tombs. You waste more time walking through buffer areas than solving puzzles ("puzzles") because the game is too cool for loading screens.

The narrative is awful, like everything Rhianna Pratchett writes actually. All the backstory is vague, meaningless crap. The "you're a Croft moment!" falls flat because I don't actually know what that means. I am not familiar with this franchise - all I know about old Lara is that she's a sarcastic rich girl doing stuff for fun, and I may be wrong about the second part. The reboot assumes I am familiar with the character because it doesn't explain anything beyond "her dad was rich and some of the crew knew him". I actually couldn't figure out exactly how well the characters knew each other or Lara's family.

The characters are worse than Far Cry 3's, and that's saying something (I especially hate the magic Polynesian dude). So many dumb decisions are made. Bonus negative points for the cutscenes: shaky, full of SO REAL AND RAW crappy close-ups and bad framing - it's basically what a hipster with director delusions would shoot on his thousand dollar Best Buy camera.

Lara is a bad character. She's stupid. She's bipolar. She's way too noisy. Her internal dialogue bounces between Game Dialogue 101 and meaningless meditations on fate, strength and... whatever. The kind of thoughts a stoned 2nd year philosophy student has at 3 AM. I bet she likes Prometheus.

One thing I don't think I saw mentioned anywhere the awful interface. Have you noticed how many bars, percentages and numbers are on screen - and they're all for the same thing? This game bleeds numbers and stats, and they're all redundant. It's a mess. It says so much, but so little actually matters. Crystal must be overcompensating for the half-assed upgrade system.

I greatly enjoyed the copious amounts of gore and the presence of Vladimir Kulich as Random Enemy Guys. I was sort of curious about the mystery, but eventually the game dragged so much I lost interest.

At least I got a cool steel case and Square has fair prices for my region so I don't feel too ripped off.

I just hope it ends up better than Deus Ex HR, Tomb Raider and Hitman.

Tomb Raider is awful and Deus Ex is a constant downward spiral. I couldn't finish either.

Baranga

i thought HR was handled excellently. there are some rough edges on the technical aspect, but everything else felt great.BrunoBRS

You thought the hubs were great? With all that backtracking? Now I'm not saying the original had great hubs - in fact they were bloody horrible, but that was a decade before HR and we were still in the "coloured lighting is awesome!" era.

The levels of HR never felt like real places. They had a nice coat of paint - I love the busy desks - but the actual layout doesn't make any sense. It's too artificial, too convenient for the player.

Have you noticed that every random NPC talks about augmentations?

It's such a creepy, cold, artificial world. I couldn't buy the illusion.

Furthermore, the game is way too long and the story is way too boring. Look at Alpha Protocol for a proper Dude with Gadgets uncovers Conspiracies, and by the way we can't into Boss Battles game.

First teaser trailer is out 

The full trailer should be out early next month. 

So from what I hear it's going to be like the new Deus Ex in terms of streamlining. I hear they're removing a lot of the fantasy elements in the previous titles which would be a big shame. I enjoyed the Thief series for its personality as much as its stealth-based design. And 3rd person views in cover? I loved Deus Ex HR but it was a complete cakewalk (partly) because of this and the tension you had from peering around corners in the original and not being able to always ensure a clean takedown or the risk of being spotted was gone.

Well I know I'll enjoy the new Thief a lot anyway if it's made similarly to Deus Ex (minus the bosses), retains what made Thief great - which wasn't just the stealth - and doesn't go overboard on the combat, I don't want to feel like God halfway through the game and be able to knock out or kill guard with my eyes closed...to be honest you had this issue in the old Deus Ex if you maxed guns.

There's a podcast here with the developers answering some fan questions. 

At one point he addresses Garrett's hideout being decorated. It won't be fully customisable like AC but he says you'll be able to see the things you've stolen around the room. 

This is very interesting. Does that mean that they're scrapping selling goods and buying tools from the money you earned on the job. That's the impression I got if you're keeping the loot.

There will NOT be competitive multiplayer, but he does say there will be some online function, presumably like a leader board or something, so nothing major. 

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

 What didn't you like about Tomb Raider??

Baranga

tl;dr version: it's Uncharted but sh*t. Everything Uncharted does good, TR does worse. Everything Uncharted does bad, TR does worse.

I hate the enemy waves. Shantytown is one of the worst levels of this generation.

Combat needed to be more like in I Am Alive. Have you played that game? It's a bit contrieved but it does the whole survival-and-exploration shtick infinitely better than TR and most other games.

If only you could talk to the monsters... There's a scene where one enemy tries to initiate dialogue. I was so happy! I actually thought the game will pull a U-turn and the bad guys won't be that bad after all :/

I strongly dislike the tombs. You waste more time walking through buffer areas than solving puzzles ("puzzles") because the game is too cool for loading screens.

The narrative is awful, like everything Rhianna Pratchett writes actually. All the backstory is vague, meaningless crap. The "you're a Croft moment!" falls flat because I don't actually know what that means. I am not familiar with this franchise - all I know about old Lara is that she's a sarcastic rich girl doing stuff for fun, and I may be wrong about the second part. The reboot assumes I am familiar with the character because it doesn't explain anything beyond "her dad was rich and some of the crew knew him". I actually couldn't figure out exactly how well the characters knew each other or Lara's family.

The characters are worse than Far Cry 3's, and that's saying something (I especially hate the magic Polynesian dude). So many dumb decisions are made. Bonus negative points for the cutscenes: shaky, full of SO REAL AND RAW crappy close-ups and bad framing - it's basically what a hipster with director delusions would shoot on his thousand dollar Best Buy camera.

Lara is a bad character. She's stupid. She's bipolar. She's way too noisy. Her internal dialogue bounces between Game Dialogue 101 and meaningless meditations on fate, strength and... whatever. The kind of thoughts a stoned 2nd year philosophy student has at 3 AM. I bet she likes Prometheus.

One thing I don't think I saw mentioned anywhere the awful interface. Have you noticed how many bars, percentages and numbers are on screen - and they're all for the same thing? This game bleeds numbers and stats, and they're all redundant. It's a mess. It says so much, but so little actually matters. Crystal must be overcompensating for the half-assed upgrade system.

I greatly enjoyed the copious amounts of gore and the presence of Vladimir Kulich as Random Enemy Guys. I was sort of curious about the mystery, but eventually the game dragged so much I lost interest.

At least I got a cool steel case and Square has fair prices for my region so I don't feel too ripped off.

A scathing, but well written review. Thumbs up!

I feel bad that Thief fans have to experience what Fallout fans went through.  Watching witless hacks destroy one of your favorite games sucks, I know.

-wildflower-

First teaser trailer is out 

The full trailer should be out early next month. 

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

First teaser trailer is out 

The full trailer should be out early next month. 

BrunoBRS

Here is the leaked teaser trailer

Looks as though Stephen Russell won't be voicing Garrett :(

yeeeees

I've never heard of this series until now. I may have to pick this up if I think it looks good! :D

I feel bad that Thief fans have to experience what Fallout fans went through.  Watching witless hacks destroy one of your favorite games sucks, I know.

-wildflower-

Fallout fans got the bigger shaft. I still don't know what thief fans are complaining about.

Here is the leaked teaser trailer

Looks as though Stephen Russell won't be voicing Garrett :(

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Here is the leaked teaser trailer

Looks as though Stephen Russell won't be voicing Garrett :(

BrunoBRS

The new voice is pretty much an action-hero voice, old voice was a thief, with a ton of personality.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Here is the leaked teaser trailer

Looks as though Stephen Russell won't be voicing Garrett :(

C_Glass

The new voice is pretty much an action-hero voice, old voice was a thief, with a ton of personality.

New trailer being pure CGI doesnt really give away much. It should be good though. I have faith in squeenix. They did right by me with Deus Ex and TombRaider. I know some purists didnt like Thief 3 but that was also probably my favourite game of that era. I played it multiple times.

The developers explain (badly) why Stephen Russell won't be in the game 

"Yes. And to answer your question directly, the actor playing Garrett needed to be able to perform his own stunts. Garretts a really athletic guy. We could have pasted Stephens voice on top of the actions and stunts of someone else, but this wouldnt appear natural. It really wouldnt make any sense to capture the full performance for our other characters, but not for our star." 

This was my reply on Facebook: 

"The actor playing Garrett needed to be able to perform his own stunts." What stunts though? Its not like he's going to be doing cartwheels (I hope). The brilliance of Russell's voice is that he matches the silkiness of Garrett's quiet movements. When you're sneaking around thats all thats needed - assuming this is still a sneaking game as we've been told. This is a mistake and that Connery line is ridiculous. Its more than nostalgia - its about retaining the essence of the game as much as the character.