Ryzen X570 mobos are expensive

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#1 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

So. Maybe it is just expensive conversion rate used, but in the X570 lineup, several of the mobos costs more than 3rd gen Ryzen 7 CPU.

Is it similar in US?

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#2 Posted by ronvalencia (28067 posts) -

@horgen said:

So. Maybe it is just expensive conversion rate used, but in the X570 lineup, several of the mobos costs more than 3rd gen Ryzen 7 CPU.

Is it similar in US?

Due to PCI-E 4.0's higher speed, X570 based motherboard uses server grade signalling quality. I'm looking at yet another MSI AC Carbon X570 mobo for ARGB :p.

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#3 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Looking at the Gigabyte Auros Master here. I ordered some new RAM recently that I hope will go well with whatever mobo I want. 3600MHz CL15. 16GB

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#4 Posted by Random_Matt (4247 posts) -
@horgen said:

So. Maybe it is just expensive conversion rate used, but in the X570 lineup, several of the mobos costs more than 3rd gen Ryzen 7 CPU.

Is it similar in US?

Heard this to, where you at? Already know UK prices will be a con, I may go X299 next month instead or pick up Z370 and wait for 2021.

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#5 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@Random_Matt: Norway. The Auros Extreme from Gigabyte will cost as much as 7900X did at launch.

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#6 Posted by Random_Matt (4247 posts) -
@horgen said:

@Random_Matt: Norway. The Auros Extreme from Gigabyte will cost as much as 7900X did at launch.

Kinda not interested in the ultra high end stuff, more concerned about your middle ground gear. Was actually interested in the mini crosshair from Asus or Aorus mini one. But I reckon they will be at least £199 and above and that is more than what I would pay for a motherboard.

On the verge of importing a EVGA X299 Micro from Amazon, less than a 100 quid and my favourite brand. Although the CPU is almighty expensive, and probably not worth it.

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#7 Posted by rmpumper (653 posts) -

Have to wait for some reviews on how these new CPU work on B450 as I'm def not willing to spend half the price of the CPU for a mobo filled with tech I won't even use.

The expensive mobos with no B550 option 'till next year, along with 'meh' Navi specs/price must be the reasons why AMD stocks tanked after E3.

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#8 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@Random_Matt said:
@horgen said:

@Random_Matt: Norway. The Auros Extreme from Gigabyte will cost as much as 7900X did at launch.

Kinda not interested in the ultra high end stuff, more concerned about your middle ground gear. Was actually interested in the mini crosshair from Asus or Aorus mini one. But I reckon they will be at least £199 and above and that is more than what I would pay for a motherboard.

On the verge of importing a EVGA X299 Micro from Amazon, less than a 100 quid and my favourite brand. Although the CPU is almighty expensive, and probably not worth it.

I keep the CPU for a few years. I'm kinda fed up with having loads of HDD in my case. Takes up space and looks ugly imo. Atm only got an 1tb sata based M.2 drive. For storage I use a ICSCi option. So I got an external NAS configured to work as an internal drive. What sucks about this is that I am limited to the 1GBit lan port in speed. The NAS drive is filled 2 4TB drives running in RAID 1, whereas 3.5TB is set aside to the ICSCi option. Finally with X570 boards, 2.5GBit lan ports are becoming more common. Sure I do need a new case for my external drives that supports higher speed as well, since the one I got atm only supports 1GBit. Still it is a small step ahead.

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#9 Posted by Random_Matt (4247 posts) -
@horgen said:
@Random_Matt said:
@horgen said:

@Random_Matt: Norway. The Auros Extreme from Gigabyte will cost as much as 7900X did at launch.

Kinda not interested in the ultra high end stuff, more concerned about your middle ground gear. Was actually interested in the mini crosshair from Asus or Aorus mini one. But I reckon they will be at least £199 and above and that is more than what I would pay for a motherboard.

On the verge of importing a EVGA X299 Micro from Amazon, less than a 100 quid and my favourite brand. Although the CPU is almighty expensive, and probably not worth it.

I keep the CPU for a few years. I'm kinda fed up with having loads of HDD in my case. Takes up space and looks ugly imo. Atm only got an 1tb sata based M.2 drive. For storage I use a ICSCi option. So I got an external NAS configured to work as an internal drive. What sucks about this is that I am limited to the 1GBit lan port in speed. The NAS drive is filled 2 4TB drives running in RAID 1, whereas 3.5TB is set aside to the ICSCi option. Finally with X570 boards, 2.5GBit lan ports are becoming more common. Sure I do need a new case for my external drives that supports higher speed as well, since the one I got atm only supports 1GBit. Still it is a small step ahead.

If you are rich then this may interest you.

https://www.tech-critter.com/gigabyte-unveils-aorus-gen-4-nvme-aic-8tb-ssd/

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#10 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@Random_Matt: I would claim I am rich, but does EK have a waterblock for it? Buy cheap, buy twice you know.

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#11 Posted by Yams1980 (3513 posts) -

umm expensive MB's? Kinda breaks any advantage of AMD had. I got a cheap 100 dollar motherboard for a security monitoring/recording PC i tossed together a couple years ago with a 1700x. Was so cheap compared to anything i could have made with Intel.

I was eager to upgrade my gaming pc from a 4770k i7. But if the motherboards are as explensive as intel's, i'll either wait and see if they make the cheaper "B" versions or get just get a 9900k.

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#12 Edited by BassMan (10387 posts) -

@horgen said:

@ronvalencia: Looking at the Gigabyte Auros Master here. I ordered some new RAM recently that I hope will go well with whatever mobo I want. 3600MHz CL15. 16GB

Same speed and timing as mine. You get Trident Z kit?

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#13 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@BassMan said:
@horgen said:

@ronvalencia: Looking at the Gigabyte Auros Master here. I ordered some new RAM recently that I hope will go well with whatever mobo I want. 3600MHz CL15. 16GB

Same speed and timing as mine. You get Trident Z kit?

Yes. I hear it overclocks nicely too.

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#14 Posted by BassMan (10387 posts) -

@horgen: I haven't messed with the OC myself, but I also heard the same.

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#15 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@BassMan said:

@horgen: I haven't messed with the OC myself, but I also heard the same.

One in Norway that likes to test this managed 4400 CL17 easily and even 4600 CL18 went without much tinkering.

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#16 Edited by urbangamez (3491 posts) -

amd needs to be careful here if the boards are too expensive goodwill from gamers will turn to anger, if the boards are stacked with high end features like all in one mobo liquid cooling that's one thing but if there aren't any passive cooling good but simple mobos for a good price prolly $120 to $150 all the hype for these chips will evaporate quickly.

amd needs to remember their brand is decent products at good prices, not a good idea to piss off your fans who have been loyal to second place products.

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#17 Posted by rmpumper (653 posts) -
@urbangamez said:

amd needs to be careful here if the boards are too expensive goodwill from gamers will turn to anger

Depends on the real world support of the Zen2 on older boards (assuming that the manufacturers will continue to make B450 and X470 mobos after X570 release), i.e. MSI B450 Tamahawk is a great mobo for $100-$120 with USB BIOS flashback function, so would be a great "budget" option for new Zen2 builds as long as older chipsets can really handle up to 2x more cores.

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#18 Posted by urbangamez (3491 posts) -

@rmpumper said:
@urbangamez said:

amd needs to be careful here if the boards are too expensive goodwill from gamers will turn to anger

Depends on the real world support of the Zen2 on older boards (assuming that the manufacturers will continue to make B450 and X470 mobos after X570 release), i.e. MSI B450 Tamahawk is a great mobo for $100-$120 with USB BIOS flashback function, so would be a great "budget" option for new Zen2 builds as long as older chipsets can really handle up to 2x more cores.

true.

but loyal customers still deserve a chance to take the 570 chipset for a spin. I know that the 570 chipset use more power and run hot and cost more to produce, but from what I understand from reputable tech journalists it is still possible to do passive cooling on the chipset and come in at lower price, some of these mobos were on display at computech but mobo vendors were being cagey about the price of these instead insisting that high end boards like what they design for intel are on average roughly $200 and its amd that wants to play in that space.

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#19 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@urbangamez said:

amd needs to be careful here if the boards are too expensive goodwill from gamers will turn to anger, if the boards are stacked with high end features like all in one mobo liquid cooling that's one thing but if there aren't any passive cooling good but simple mobos for a good price prolly $120 to $150 all the hype for these chips will evaporate quickly.

amd needs to remember their brand is decent products at good prices, not a good idea to piss off your fans who have been loyal to second place products.

The only X570 mobo I've seen with passive cooling is Auros Extreme. Just 599$ I think for that. Pocket change, am I right?

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#20 Edited by BassMan (10387 posts) -

My Z390 Aorus Pro goes for $179 USD and X570 Aorus Pro has an MSRP of $249 USD. Yikes! Quite the premium for PCIE 4.0.

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#21 Posted by urbangamez (3491 posts) -

@horgen said:
@urbangamez said:

amd needs to be careful here if the boards are too expensive goodwill from gamers will turn to anger, if the boards are stacked with high end features like all in one mobo liquid cooling that's one thing but if there aren't any passive cooling good but simple mobos for a good price prolly $120 to $150 all the hype for these chips will evaporate quickly.

amd needs to remember their brand is decent products at good prices, not a good idea to piss off your fans who have been loyal to second place products.

The only X570 mobo I've seen with passive cooling is Auros Extreme. Just 599$ I think for that. Pocket change, am I right?

lol. amd is going to run into reality real fast.

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#22 Posted by osan0 (15441 posts) -

Does X 570 actually offer anything major from a gaming standpoint?

PCIE4 wont matter. even the 2080TI is not held back at all by PCIE3 16X. 4 seems to be more about fast storage.

if it was me (doesn't overclock or tinker....just put it in the box and dont fuss). i would be leaning more towards a B450 or maybe a solid X470 option and putting the rest of the money towards something else in the PC.

from what i saw (which was brief in fairness so do correct me if im wrong) there isnt anything in the 3000 series (outside of PCIE4) that relies on X570 to deliver its performance and features.

it's a bit odd that B550 is so far away though :S.

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#23 Posted by rmpumper (653 posts) -

@osan0 said:

it's a bit odd that B550 is so far away though :S.

Well, if even the 3950X will work fine on B450/X470, then there is no point in B550 as it would cost more than X470 anyway as the price hike is primarily because of PCIe 4.0.

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#24 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@BassMan said:

My Z390 Aorus Pro goes for $179 USD and X570 Aorus Pro has an MSRP of $249 USD. Yikes! Quite the premium for PCIE 4.0.

PCIE 4 required better PCB I think. The boards are generally fit to handle heavier electrical loads to I think, that adds a little to the cost too.

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#25 Posted by Howmakewood (5930 posts) -
@horgen said:
@BassMan said:

My Z390 Aorus Pro goes for $179 USD and X570 Aorus Pro has an MSRP of $249 USD. Yikes! Quite the premium for PCIE 4.0.

PCIE 4 required better PCB I think. The boards are generally fit to handle heavier electrical loads to I think, that adds a little to the cost too.

Chipset power increased to over 10w from previous 3.5w then there's some other factors:

  • Chipset cost is about 2x what it was for X470
  • PCIe Gen4 required redesigns and rerouting of traces, driving up cost
  • Signal integrity becomes a challenge on some boards, and so extra time is needed for validation or higher quality PCB materials are needed
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#26 Posted by Horgen (120599 posts) -

@howmakewood said:
@horgen said:
@BassMan said:

My Z390 Aorus Pro goes for $179 USD and X570 Aorus Pro has an MSRP of $249 USD. Yikes! Quite the premium for PCIE 4.0.

PCIE 4 required better PCB I think. The boards are generally fit to handle heavier electrical loads to I think, that adds a little to the cost too.

Chipset power increased to over 10w from previous 3.5w then there's some other factors:

  • Chipset cost is about 2x what it was for X470
  • PCIe Gen4 required redesigns and rerouting of traces, driving up cost
  • Signal integrity becomes a challenge on some boards, and so extra time is needed for validation or higher quality PCB materials are needed

They could have made a nice heatsink to avoid the fan imo.

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#27 Posted by Random_Matt (4247 posts) -

I have read the so called prices, lol. Doesn't matter now anyway, bought my mobo yesterday, was cheaper for me to go Intel. PCIE 4 does nothing for me anyway.

Shocking news, a 2080 TI does not even saturate PCIE 3 x8.

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#28 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (6453 posts) -

@Random_Matt said:

I have read the so called prices, lol. Doesn't matter now anyway, bought my mobo yesterday, was cheaper for me to go Intel. PCIE 4 does nothing for me anyway.

Shocking news, a 2080 TI does not even saturate PCIE 3 x8.

The only real use for PCIe 4 is faster M.2 drives which for gaming won't really benefit much as current 3500Mbp/s NVMe drives offer a tiny jump over a 550Mbp/s SATA 6 SSD's in game load times.

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#29 Edited by Random_Matt (4247 posts) -
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@Random_Matt said:

I have read the so called prices, lol. Doesn't matter now anyway, bought my mobo yesterday, was cheaper for me to go Intel. PCIE 4 does nothing for me anyway.

Shocking news, a 2080 TI does not even saturate PCIE 3 x8.

The only real use for PCIe 4 is faster M.2 drives which for gaming won't really benefit much as current 3500Mbp/s NVMe drives offer a tiny jump over a 550Mbp/s SATA 6 SSD's in game load times.

Jeez, do gamers really care if they are already at the very least using sata SSD? They are still lighting fast in my eyes, guess that could change with the new consoles I guess.

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#30 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (6453 posts) -

@Random_Matt said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@Random_Matt said:

I have read the so called prices, lol. Doesn't matter now anyway, bought my mobo yesterday, was cheaper for me to go Intel. PCIE 4 does nothing for me anyway.

Shocking news, a 2080 TI does not even saturate PCIE 3 x8.

The only real use for PCIe 4 is faster M.2 drives which for gaming won't really benefit much as current 3500Mbp/s NVMe drives offer a tiny jump over a 550Mbp/s SATA 6 SSD's in game load times.

Jeez, do gamers really care if they are already at the very least using sata SSD? They are still lighting fast in my eyes, guess that could change with the new consoles I guess.

Not really... I only noticed a difference in boot times with a NVMe but game loads?... Nah, I run my games off a SSHD not even a SSD so waiting a extra 10-20 seconds is not a issue for me at all. Also that's what I am thinking, we clearly don't see a load time benefit from going 550Mb ssd to a 3500Mb NVMe now but once games are developed with next generation consoles in mind I think that will slowly start to change and at that point I might end up just grabbing a 1TB NVMe for games on PC.

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#31 Posted by Howmakewood (5930 posts) -
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@Random_Matt said:

I have read the so called prices, lol. Doesn't matter now anyway, bought my mobo yesterday, was cheaper for me to go Intel. PCIE 4 does nothing for me anyway.

Shocking news, a 2080 TI does not even saturate PCIE 3 x8.

The only real use for PCIe 4 is faster M.2 drives which for gaming won't really benefit much as current 3500Mbp/s NVMe drives offer a tiny jump over a 550Mbp/s SATA 6 SSD's in game load times.

the difference is you can now get x8 pcie-e ssd's performance in x4 m2 slot, x8 ones were rare and expensive not really aimed at home users before

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#32 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31210 posts) -

PCIe 4 SSDs might not offer a huge jump now, but I believe that they will once developers start optimizing for them.

The exact same thing they are doing for SSDs on next gen consoles.