rumors confirmed (sorta) amd rolls out B3 stepping bulldozers..

yep thats right amd is indeed revising bulldozer and it jsut launched. results are difficult to predict atm. however if the phenom II revision(c2-c3) can be an indicator expect significant improvements.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/haberleri/AMD-Bulldozer-FX-ailesinin-B3-revizyonunu-hazirliyor.htm

we shall see amd.. we shall see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nr8hPnZfMU

That was fast.

that is good news for me

It's probably not going to perform much differently than the "original" Bulldozer. The types of changes that happen between steppings don't do much if anything to help IPC performance and things of that nature. It may use a bit less power and such, but don't expect anything that will redeem it.

Did anyone actually but the bulldozer?

It's constantly going from in stock to sold out on newegg. Not everyone just sits at their computer running synthetic benchmarks you know.

Did anyone actually but the bulldozer?

AfroPirate

Looks like it:

That pic has a glitch seeing how there are more reviews than that(11 reviews on both 8 core cpus).

It's constantly going from in stock to sold out on newegg. Not everyone just sits at their computer running synthetic benchmarks you know.

GummiRaccoon

According to the reviews that I've read, Bulldozer sucks in a ton of real-world programs too. Especially games, when compared against even some Phenom II X4's.. let alone Nehalem and Sandy Bridge.

indeed hartsick the 8 core do blow the 6 and the 4 aint so bad though i mean.. when the 4100 debuts and then falls say 15-20 bucks it could eassily (and single handedly) replace the entire athalon II x4 lineup and really move mountains i mean a cpu = 965 BE for -100 thats jsut mind altering man.

and the 6100 is actually a pretty decent cpu seeing as how intel has nothing in 4 cores between where the deneb phII's sit and the i5 2500k (thats worth buying anyway) as a result the 6100's position sitin where the i7 920 in many cases used to sit is pretty darn nifty. im definetely gonna get one when the price falls or when funding is available.

indeed hartsick the 8 core do blow the 6 and the 4 aint so bad though i mean.. when the 4100 debuts and then falls say 15-20 bucks it could eassily (and single handedly) replace the entire athalon II x4 lineup and really move mountains i mean a cpu = 965 BE for -100 thats jsut mind altering man.

and the 6100 is actually a pretty decent cpu seeing as how intel has nothing in 4 cores between where the deneb phII's sit and the i5 2500k (thats worth buying anyway) as a result the 6100's position sitin where the i7 920 in many cases used to sit is pretty darn nifty. im definetely gonna get one when the price falls or when funding is available.

ionusX

I still can't see buying any of the Bulldozer chips over either a 2500k or a PII X4 955/965 for a gaming rig.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

indeed hartsick the 8 core do blow the 6 and the 4 aint so bad though i mean.. when the 4100 debuts and then falls say 15-20 bucks it could eassily (and single handedly) replace the entire athalon II x4 lineup and really move mountains i mean a cpu = 965 BE for -100 thats jsut mind altering man.

and the 6100 is actually a pretty decent cpu seeing as how intel has nothing in 4 cores between where the deneb phII's sit and the i5 2500k (thats worth buying anyway) as a result the 6100's position sitin where the i7 920 in many cases used to sit is pretty darn nifty. im definetely gonna get one when the price falls or when funding is available.

hartsickdiscipl

I still can't see buying any of the Bulldozer chips over either a 2500k or a PII X4 955/965 for a gaming rig.

indeed there is certainly no need for it. but when the phenom II's are discontinued in january those fx-4000's and fx-6000's will become our new bread n butter and man does the 6100 look tasty.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

indeed hartsick the 8 core do blow the 6 and the 4 aint so bad though i mean.. when the 4100 debuts and then falls say 15-20 bucks it could eassily (and single handedly) replace the entire athalon II x4 lineup and really move mountains i mean a cpu = 965 BE for -100 thats jsut mind altering man.

and the 6100 is actually a pretty decent cpu seeing as how intel has nothing in 4 cores between where the deneb phII's sit and the i5 2500k (thats worth buying anyway) as a result the 6100's position sitin where the i7 920 in many cases used to sit is pretty darn nifty. im definetely gonna get one when the price falls or when funding is available.

ionusX

I still can't see buying any of the Bulldozer chips over either a 2500k or a PII X4 955/965 for a gaming rig.

indeed there is certainly no need for it. but when the phenom II's are discontinued in january those fx-4000's and fx-6000's will become our new bread n butter and man does the 6100 look tasty.

Nah, 2500k will be the bread and butter for some time methinks.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I still can't see buying any of the Bulldozer chips over either a 2500k or a PII X4 955/965 for a gaming rig.

hartsickdiscipl

indeed there is certainly no need for it. but when the phenom II's are discontinued in january those fx-4000's and fx-6000's will become our new bread n butter and man does the 6100 look tasty.

Nah, 2500k will be the bread and butter for some time methinks.

for intel yes.. but there will always be someone that doesnt want intel.. and more importantly not everyone can fit a 2500k in their budget.

the 6100 fits a really nice niche that intel cant plug atm. their SB dual core isnt able to compete in multicore and the 2400 has no k variant so it cant compete the second you start talking OC.

It's constantly going from in stock to sold out on newegg. Not everyone just sits at their computer running synthetic benchmarks you know.

GummiRaccoon

Jeez never thought sales would ever be used as some sort of an argument on this forum, but here we are. :roll:

You really have lost it man!

Plus, being sold out doesn't mean anything if they didn't have many to begin with. red12355

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

It's constantly going from in stock to sold out on newegg. Not everyone just sits at their computer running synthetic benchmarks you know.

Gambler_3

Jeez never thought sales would ever be used as some sort of an argument on this forum, but here we are. :roll:

You really have lost it man!

It's pretty clear that he was answering the question in the post right above his.

"Did anyone actually buy the bulldozer?"

Way to put words in peoples mouths.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

It's constantly going from in stock to sold out on newegg. Not everyone just sits at their computer running synthetic benchmarks you know.

NailedGR

Jeez never thought sales would ever be used as some sort of an argument on this forum, but here we are. :roll:

You really have lost it man!

It's pretty clear that he was answering the question in the post right above his.

"Did anyone actually buy the bulldozer?"

Way to put words in peoples mouths.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]You are suggesting that every consumer out there makes intelligent choices?

Jeez never thought sales would ever be used as some sort of an argument on this forum, but here we are. :roll:

You really have lost it man!

Gambler_3

It's pretty clear that he was answering the question in the post right above his.

"Did anyone actually buy the bulldozer?"

Way to put words in peoples mouths.

What's wrong with buying bulldozer? It's not like it murders you in your sleep or anything? It brings AMDs performance more in line with intel, maybe some people had an AM3+ motherboard already and are upgrading an athlon II x2 to a bulldozer?

And because I know you'll bring it up, just because the bulldozer inconsistently beats the old phenom IIs in some benchmarks doesn't mean it is bad, the sandybridges had the exact same issue with the 1366 i7s, it beat them in some and lost in others. So that arguement is moot.

The new instructions alone will make bulldozer last longer than the current phenom IIs. Not everyone wants to support or even cheer on a monopoly, like you seem to.

I have to say, i think the best buy i ever made for my pc was buying the i7 920 the week it came out. I mean, ive had it for over 2 years now and cpu power has not increased much in that time.(overclocked to 3.8 )

Hopefully bulldozer can step it up alot more with the revision.

What's wrong with buying bulldozer? It's not like it murders you in your sleep or anything? It brings AMDs performance more in line with intel, maybe some people had an AM3+ motherboard already and are upgrading an athlon II x2 to a bulldozer?

And because I know you'll bring it up, just because the bulldozer inconsistently beats the old phenom IIs in some benchmarks doesn't mean it is bad, the sandybridges had the exact same issue with the 1366 i7s, it beat them in some and lost in others. So that arguement is moot.

The new instructions alone will make bulldozer last longer than the current phenom IIs. Not everyone wants to support or even cheer on a monopoly, like you seem to.

NailedGR

And yes there could be scenarios where buying bulldozer makes sense for a few people running really old CPU's and yet have a mobo capable of bulldozer but those certainly werent the people Gummi was referring to.

The people buying Bulldozer CPU's right now are just blind fanboys who cant be rationalised with, anyway let them waste their money, its their loss!

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

What's wrong with buying bulldozer? It's not like it murders you in your sleep or anything? It brings AMDs performance more in line with intel, maybe some people had an AM3+ motherboard already and are upgrading an athlon II x2 to a bulldozer?

And because I know you'll bring it up, just because the bulldozer inconsistently beats the old phenom IIs in some benchmarks doesn't mean it is bad, the sandybridges had the exact same issue with the 1366 i7s, it beat them in some and lost in others. So that arguement is moot.

The new instructions alone will make bulldozer last longer than the current phenom IIs. Not everyone wants to support or even cheer on a monopoly, like you seem to.

Gambler_3

And yes there could be scenarios where buying bulldozer makes sense for a few people running really old CPU's and yet have a mobo capable of bulldozer but those certainly werent the people Gummi was referring to.

How do you know who I am referring to?

For a gaming rig right now the 955 is still the sweet spot. I am building my brother a machine and trickling parts down so I am grabbing a bulldozer because I have an AM3+ motherboard and I don't see myself upgrading for the next 2-3 years.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

It's pretty clear that he was answering the question in the post right above his.

"Did anyone actually buy the bulldozer?"

Way to put words in peoples mouths.

NailedGR

What's wrong with buying bulldozer? It's not like it murders you in your sleep or anything? It brings AMDs performance more in line with intel, maybe some people had an AM3+ motherboard already and are upgrading an athlon II x2 to a bulldozer?

And because I know you'll bring it up, just because the bulldozer inconsistently beats the old phenom IIs in some benchmarks doesn't mean it is bad, the sandybridges had the exact same issue with the 1366 i7s, it beat them in some and lost in others. So that arguement is moot.

The new instructions alone will make bulldozer last longer than the current phenom IIs. Not everyone wants to support or even cheer on a monopoly, like you seem to.

There are many valid reasons why people shouldn't buy bulldozer and they shouldn't be brushed aside by saying "Intel is a monopoly". The problem with bulldozer is that it runs hot, has awful price/performance, doesn't OC well, has a massive power usage, has bugs, etc. etc. all for what? A -15 to 15% performance difference to Phenom II?

Buying Intel isn't supporting a monopoly, it's buying a better product. Heck, you don't even have to buy Intel, just buy a Phenom II.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]He was trying to justify someone purchasing bulldozer, I responded to that.

red12355

What's wrong with buying bulldozer? It's not like it murders you in your sleep or anything? It brings AMDs performance more in line with intel, maybe some people had an AM3+ motherboard already and are upgrading an athlon II x2 to a bulldozer?

And because I know you'll bring it up, just because the bulldozer inconsistently beats the old phenom IIs in some benchmarks doesn't mean it is bad, the sandybridges had the exact same issue with the 1366 i7s, it beat them in some and lost in others. So that arguement is moot.

The new instructions alone will make bulldozer last longer than the current phenom IIs. Not everyone wants to support or even cheer on a monopoly, like you seem to.

The sandybridge isn't very different from the nahalems, and I am positive that the performance differences are because of clocks and cores, doesn't mean that his point wasn't valid. Sandybridges get beat by nahalems in some tasks. Same goes with bulldozer and thubans.

This seems like the situation when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II. Phenom II was far more improved. But this situation is a lot better when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II, because Phenom I had more significant problems.

[QUOTE="red12355"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

What's wrong with buying bulldozer? It's not like it murders you in your sleep or anything? It brings AMDs performance more in line with intel, maybe some people had an AM3+ motherboard already and are upgrading an athlon II x2 to a bulldozer?

And because I know you'll bring it up, just because the bulldozer inconsistently beats the old phenom IIs in some benchmarks doesn't mean it is bad, the sandybridges had the exact same issue with the 1366 i7s, it beat them in some and lost in others. So that arguement is moot.

The new instructions alone will make bulldozer last longer than the current phenom IIs. Not everyone wants to support or even cheer on a monopoly, like you seem to.

GummiRaccoon

The sandybridge isn't very different from the nahalems, and I am positive that the performance differences are because of clocks and cores, doesn't mean that his point wasn't valid. Sandybridges get beat by nahalems in some tasks. Same goes with bulldozer and thubans.

If you replaced a PII system to an equivalent BD system, however, you would have something that has worse performance, runs hotter and uses more power. There is no reason why someone with, say a $110 PII X4 955 should get a $190 FX-6100 because they would actually be worse off than before.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="red12355"] Show me the benchmarks where Sandy Bridge gets beaten by Nahelem. I guarantee you that it'll be because of a difference in core count or clock speed, not architecture. There are many valid reasons why people shouldn't buy bulldozer and they shouldn't be brushed aside by saying "Intel is a monopoly". The problem with bulldozer is that it , runs hot, has awful price/performance, doesn't OC well, has a massive power usage, has bugs, etc. etc. all for what? A -15 to 15% performance difference to Phenom II? Buying Intel isn't supporting a monopoly, it's buying a better product. Heck, you don't even have to buy Intel, just buy a Phenom II.red12355

The sandybridge isn't very different from the nahalems, and I am positive that the performance differences are because of clocks and cores, doesn't mean that his point wasn't valid. Sandybridges get beat by nahalems in some tasks. Same goes with bulldozer and thubans.

If you replaced a PII system to an equivalent BD system, however, you would have something that has worse performance, runs hotter and uses more power. There is no reason why someone with, say a $110 PII X4 955 should get a $190 FX-6100 because they would actually be worse off than before.

This is incorrect.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=287

[QUOTE="red12355"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

The sandybridge isn't very different from the nahalems, and I am positive that the performance differences are because of clocks and cores, doesn't mean that his point wasn't valid. Sandybridges get beat by nahalems in some tasks. Same goes with bulldozer and thubans.

GummiRaccoon

If you replaced a PII system to an equivalent BD system, however, you would have something that has worse performance, runs hotter and uses more power. There is no reason why someone with, say a $110 PII X4 955 should get a $190 FX-6100 because they would actually be worse off than before.

This is incorrect.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=287

...

Did you even read my post?It is not fair to compare a $1000 6 core part to a $300 4 core one.

A SB based hex-core will probably be released in a couple months with SB-E and will have the price to show it.Also, you ignored the whole point of my post and decided to try to disprove one small detail.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="red12355"] You're not getting it. I could say that a $1500 QX9775 from 2008 beats a $150 i3-2310m but it would make no sense to chalk it up as "Sandy bridge wins some, Core wins some others". If you took any Nahalem system and replaced it with an equivalent Sandy Bridge, the Sandy Bridge would ALWAYS perform better and more efficiently.

If you replaced a PII system to an equivalent BD system, however, you would have something that has worse performance, runs hotter and uses more power. There is no reason why someone with, say a $110 PII X4 955 should get a $190 FX-6100 because they would actually be worse off than before.

red12355

This is incorrect.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=287

...

Did you even read my post?It is not fair to compare a $1000 6 core part to a $300 4 core one.

A SB based hex-core will probably be released in a couple months with SB-E and will have the price to show it.Also, you ignored the whole point of my post and decided to try to disprove one small detail.

How is that not equivalent? Best vs best

How is that not equivalent? Best vs best

GummiRaccoon

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you the fanboy of the month who has lost it completely with the BD failing. It's gotten so bad it's pointless talking to you now but I will show you one last thing just in case you missed it which I am sure you didnt but still....

Show me the benchmarks where Sandy Bridge gets beaten by Nahelem. I guarantee you that it'll be because of a difference in core count or clock speed, not architecture.

red12355

I have to say, i think the best buy i ever made for my pc was buying the i7 920 the week it came out. I mean, ive had it for over 2 years now and cpu power has not increased much in that time.(overclocked to 3.8 )

Hopefully bulldozer can step it up alot more with the revision.

edinsftw

i7 920 is going to go down as one of the greatest CPUs ever, just as the Q6600 has. People with OC'd i7 920's are good to go for at least another 2 years I bet... and we're talking about a CPU that's been out nearly 3 years. They still chew up and spit out any game.

This seems like the situation when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II. Phenom II was far more improved. But this situation is a lot better when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II, because Phenom I had more significant problems.

Xtasy26

[QUOTE="red12355"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

This is incorrect.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/142?vs=287

GummiRaccoon

...

Did you even read my post?It is not fair to compare a $1000 6 core part to a $300 4 core one.

A SB based hex-core will probably be released in a couple months with SB-E and will have the price to show it.Also, you ignored the whole point of my post and decided to try to disprove one small detail.

How is that not equivalent? Best vs best

But its not.... The equivalent for i7-980X is i7-3960X Sandy Bridge-E. The LGA 1155 Processors are a replacement for the mainstream LGA 1156 line up. LGA 2011 coming out next month will be a replacement for LGA 1366 the high end for intel.

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

I have to say, i think the best buy i ever made for my pc was buying the i7 920 the week it came out. I mean, ive had it for over 2 years now and cpu power has not increased much in that time.(overclocked to 3.8 )

Hopefully bulldozer can step it up alot more with the revision.

hartsickdiscipl

i7 920 is going to go down as one of the greatest CPUs ever, just as the Q6600 has. People with OC'd i7 920's are good to go for at least another 2 years I bet... and we're talking about a CPU that's been out nearly 3 years. They still chew up and spit out any game.

I don't know.. Gaming wise, those phenom ii x4 chips are still kicking it nicely. I mean dang.. when at 1080p, the phenom iix4 chip is only 1-2 frames off the top end intel sandy bridges its kinda lol. Not because the cpu is great, just that developers still aren't touching all the power of cpu's these days. How long has the phenom iix4 line been out now?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

I have to say, i think the best buy i ever made for my pc was buying the i7 920 the week it came out. I mean, ive had it for over 2 years now and cpu power has not increased much in that time.(overclocked to 3.8 )

Hopefully bulldozer can step it up alot more with the revision.

jedikevin2

i7 920 is going to go down as one of the greatest CPUs ever, just as the Q6600 has. People with OC'd i7 920's are good to go for at least another 2 years I bet... and we're talking about a CPU that's been out nearly 3 years. They still chew up and spit out any game.

I don't know.. Gaming wise, those phenom ii x4 chips are still kicking it nicely. I mean dang.. when at 1080p, the phenom iix4 chip is only 1-2 frames off the top end intel sandy bridges its kinda lol. Not because the cpu is great, just that developers still aren't touching all the power of cpu's these days. How long has the phenom iix4 line been out now?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

I have to say, i think the best buy i ever made for my pc was buying the i7 920 the week it came out. I mean, ive had it for over 2 years now and cpu power has not increased much in that time.(overclocked to 3.8 )

Hopefully bulldozer can step it up alot more with the revision.

jedikevin2

i7 920 is going to go down as one of the greatest CPUs ever, just as the Q6600 has. People with OC'd i7 920's are good to go for at least another 2 years I bet... and we're talking about a CPU that's been out nearly 3 years. They still chew up and spit out any game.

I don't know.. Gaming wise, those phenom ii x4 chips are still kicking it nicely. I mean dang.. when at 1080p, the phenom iix4 chip is only 1-2 frames off the top end intel sandy bridges its kinda lol. Not because the cpu is great, just that developers still aren't touching all the power of cpu's these days. How long has the phenom iix4 line been out now?

The X6 on the other hand could edge out the i7 920 in future games depending on how well hexa and octa core optimization moves on.

[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

This seems like the situation when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II. Phenom II was far more improved. But this situation is a lot better when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II, because Phenom I had more significant problems.

Daytona_178

Well, the Phenom I to Phenom II was a worse situation. Phenom I had a major bug.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

i7 920 is going to go down as one of the greatest CPUs ever, just as the Q6600 has. People with OC'd i7 920's are good to go for at least another 2 years I bet... and we're talking about a CPU that's been out nearly 3 years. They still chew up and spit out any game.

Gambler_3

I don't know.. Gaming wise, those phenom ii x4 chips are still kicking it nicely. I mean dang.. when at 1080p, the phenom iix4 chip is only 1-2 frames off the top end intel sandy bridges its kinda lol. Not because the cpu is great, just that developers still aren't touching all the power of cpu's these days. How long has the phenom iix4 line been out now?

The X6 on the other hand could edge out the i7 920 in future games depending on how well hexa and octa core optimization moves on.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

This seems like the situation when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II. Phenom II was far more improved. But this situation is a lot better when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II, because Phenom I had more significant problems.

Xtasy26

Well, the Phenom I to Phenom II was a worse situation. Phenom I had a major bug.

The phenom I was a travesty.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

This seems like the situation when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II. Phenom II was far more improved. But this situation is a lot better when they went from Phenom I to Phenom II, because Phenom I had more significant problems.

Xtasy26

Well, the Phenom I to Phenom II was a worse situation. Phenom I had a major bug.

I have to say, i think the best buy i ever made for my pc was buying the i7 920 the week it came out. I mean, ive had it for over 2 years now and cpu power has not increased much in that time.(overclocked to 3.8 )

Hopefully bulldozer can step it up alot more with the revision.

edinsftw